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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 20 9.56pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 You can't comprehend my level of offence, much like I can't comprehend yours. History would suggest one group has had it "slightly" worse than the other. But of course, I'm sure you would argue that point, outside of the safe inner circle of the HOL. What do you think is the reason for that? I can't really see that insulting an entire race by insulting an individual is worse than making a personal insult. All of our races have been slaves at one time or another. Many of our ancestors have lived in conditions that were many orders of magnitude tougher than we have now. I'm not sure why one group would think that they have a monopoly on 'offence'.

Hrolf The Ganger

11 Dec 20 9.56pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

You can't comprehend my level of offence, much like I can't comprehend yours. History would suggest one group has had it "slightly" worse than the other. But of course, I'm sure you would argue that point, outside of the safe inner circle of the HOL.

What do you think is the reason for that?

I can't really see that insulting an entire race by insulting an individual is worse than making a personal insult.
All of our races have been slaves at one time or another. Many of our ancestors have lived in conditions that were many orders of magnitude tougher than we have now.
I'm not sure why one group would think that they have a monopoly on 'offence'.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Dec 20 10.05pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I think I'm going to follow the lead and starve you of the oxygen you crave. I said months ago he should be ignored. Maybe it’s time everyone does. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 11 Dec 20 10.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think I'm going to follow the lead and starve you of the oxygen you crave.

I said months ago he should be ignored. Maybe it’s time everyone does.

COYP

Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Dec 20 10.06pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I deleted this post in place of a recognition that Eagle is right.....it's just giving him morsels to feed off. I said months ago he should be ignored. Maybe it’s time everyone does. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 11 Dec 20 10.06pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I deleted this post in place of a recognition that Eagle is right.....it's just giving him morsels to feed off.

I said months ago he should be ignored. Maybe it’s time everyone does.

COYP

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 11 Dec 20 10.40pm
Originally posted by cryrst I certainly would outside of HOL. By the way were you bullied and beaten by a white kid for two years at school like I was by a black kid. Probably not I would guess. So like you having a bad experience with a white person making your mind up I may have had mine made up by a black person. Do you see how easy it is to be shallow! Although I can confess my mind wasnt as I know there are bad apples in all barrels. Maybe you are just unlucky with your choice of barrel eh. Made my mind up to what? Despite my experiences as a child (bullied-check, beaten-check) and an adult (I got called a monkey by a group of drunks, literally a last month as well as assault & threats of violence working in the away end at Palace and even abuse and threats in a past life on here), I still bear no malice towards non-racist white people. Love them, in fact. Stop trying to write some narrative to suit the pile on in this thread, won't work. La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 11 Dec 20 10.40pm

Originally posted by cryrst

I certainly would outside of HOL.
By the way were you bullied and beaten by a white kid for two years at school like I was by a black kid. Probably not I would guess. So like you having a bad experience with a white person making your mind up I may have had mine made up by a black person. Do you see how easy it is to be shallow!
Although I can confess my mind wasnt as I know there are bad apples in all barrels. Maybe you are just unlucky with your choice of barrel eh.

Made my mind up to what?
Despite my experiences as a child (bullied-check, beaten-check) and an adult (I got called a monkey by a group of drunks, literally a last month as well as assault & threats of violence working in the away end at Palace and even abuse and threats in a past life on here), I still bear no malice towards non-racist white people. Love them, in fact.

Stop trying to write some narrative to suit the pile on in this thread, won't work.

La la la your mum

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 11 Dec 20 10.41pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What do you think is the reason for that? I can't really see that insulting an entire race by insulting an individual is worse than making a personal insult. All of our races have been slaves at one time or another. Many of our ancestors have lived in conditions that were many orders of magnitude tougher than we have now. I'm not sure why one group would think that they have a monopoly on 'offence'. What's the point in me answering this? You can't see it, so it's not my place to show you La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 11 Dec 20 10.41pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What do you think is the reason for that?

I can't really see that insulting an entire race by insulting an individual is worse than making a personal insult.
All of our races have been slaves at one time or another. Many of our ancestors have lived in conditions that were many orders of magnitude tougher than we have now.
I'm not sure why one group would think that they have a monopoly on 'offence'.

What's the point in me answering this? You can't see it, so it's not my place to show you

La la la your mum

Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Dec 20 10.46pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Made my mind up to what? Despite my experiences as a child (bullied-check, beaten-check) and an adult (I got called a monkey by a group of drunks, literally a last month as well as assault & threats of violence working in the away end at Palace and even abuse and threats in a past life on here), I still bear no malice towards non-racist white people. Love them, in fact. Stop trying to write some narrative to suit the pile on in this thread, won't work. That might explain some of the irrational aggression by some young black people towards white people who have no idea what the problem is, but it’s no excuse. The world misses a Martin Luther King and not this recent stuff. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 11 Dec 20 10.46pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Stop trying to write some narrative to suit the pile on in this thread, won't work.

That might explain some of the irrational aggression by some young black people towards white people who have no idea what the problem is, but it’s no excuse. The world misses a Martin Luther King and not this recent stuff.

COYP

Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Dec 20 10.49pm
When you look at this and the demands for the police to kneel before being attacked minutes later, you can’t be surprised if people don’t think kneeling is the right way to go about things. [Tweet Link] Edited by Rudi Hedman (11 Dec 2020 11.04pm) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 11 Dec 20 10.49pm

When you look at this and the demands for the police to kneel before being attacked minutes later, you can’t be surprised if people don’t think kneeling is the right way to go about things.

[Tweet Link]

Edited by Rudi Hedman (11 Dec 2020 11.04pm)

COYP

cryrst The garden of England 11 Dec 20 10.50pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Made my mind up to what? Despite my experiences as a child (bullied-check, beaten-check) and an adult (I got called a monkey by a group of drunks, literally a last month as well as assault & threats of violence working in the away end at Palace and even abuse and threats in a past life on here), I still bear no malice towards non-racist white people. Love them, in fact. Stop trying to write some narrative to suit the pile on in this thread, won't work. Not trying to write anything to suit. Just my experience. Threats at football because your black or maybe because your man management skills need addressing! I'm glad you hold no malice towards any HOL members as there arnt any racists on here. Unless you think there is an element of unconscious racism which is hard to define tbh so is even harder to pin on someone. Now that will work from all colours as its unconscious!

cryrst

The garden of England 11 Dec 20 10.50pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Stop trying to write some narrative to suit the pile on in this thread, won't work.

Not trying to write anything to suit.
Just my experience. Threats at football because your black or maybe because your man management skills need addressing! I'm glad you hold no malice towards any HOL members as there arnt any racists on here.
Unless you think there is an element of unconscious racism which is hard to define tbh so is even harder to pin on someone. Now that will work from all colours as its unconscious!

Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 20 10.59pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 What's the point in me answering this? You can't see it, so it's not my place to show you That sounds like you can't answer the question. I am suspicious of anything that seems to defy reason. I want someone to tell me why this disparity in emotional response is reasonable.

Hrolf The Ganger

11 Dec 20 10.59pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

What's the point in me answering this? You can't see it, so it's not my place to show you

That sounds like you can't answer the question.

I am suspicious of anything that seems to defy reason.
I want someone to tell me why this disparity in emotional response is reasonable.

Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 20 11.05pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Made my mind up to what? Despite my experiences as a child (bullied-check, beaten-check) and an adult (I got called a monkey by a group of drunks, literally a last month as well as assault & threats of violence working in the away end at Palace and even abuse and threats in a past life on here), I still bear no malice towards non-racist white people. Love them, in fact. Stop trying to write some narrative to suit the pile on in this thread, won't work. You do understand that we are all against this kind of disgusting behaviour be it by Black or White? No race has a monopoly on imbeciles. There are and will always be people who take pleasure from abusing others.

Hrolf The Ganger

11 Dec 20 11.05pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Stop trying to write some narrative to suit the pile on in this thread, won't work.

You do understand that we are all against this kind of disgusting behaviour be it by Black or White? No race has a monopoly on imbeciles. There are and will always be people who take pleasure from abusing others.

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 11 Dec 20 11.25pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You do understand that we are all against this kind of disgusting behaviour be it by Black or White? No race has a monopoly on imbeciles. There are and will always be people who take pleasure from abusing others. Sound. La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 11 Dec 20 11.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Sound.

La la la your mum

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 11 Dec 20 11.46pm
Originally posted by cryrst Not trying to write anything to suit. Just my experience. Threats at football because your black or maybe because your man management skills need addressing! I'm glad you hold no malice towards any HOL members as there arnt any racists on here. Unless you think there is an element of unconscious racism which is hard to define tbh so is even harder to pin on someone. Now that will work from all colours as its unconscious! Not trying to write anything to suit but then attempt to invalidate my own experiences by blaming it on my man management skills. Makes sense. For the record, spat on by Leeds fans, called a black c*** and told "When it kicks off today, you better run" by Millwall fans. And of course, you speak for all members of the HOL, only I was branded a racist myself, so which one is it? La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 11 Dec 20 11.46pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Not trying to write anything to suit but then attempt to invalidate my own experiences by blaming it on my man management skills. Makes sense. For the record, spat on by Leeds fans, called a black c*** and told "When it kicks off today, you better run" by Millwall fans.

And of course, you speak for all members of the HOL, only I was branded a racist myself, so which one is it?

La la la your mum

Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Dec 20 12.22am
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Not trying to write anything to suit but then attempt to invalidate my own experiences by blaming it on my man management skills. Makes sense. For the record, spat on by Leeds fans, called a black c* and told "When it kicks off today, you better run" by Millwall fans. And of course, you speak for all members of the HOL, only I was branded a racist myself, so which one is it? What you require is zero tolerance to this, not taking the knee. COYP**

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 12 Dec 20 12.22am

Originally posted by madcap_v2

And of course, you speak for all members of the HOL, only I was branded a racist myself, so which one is it?

What you require is zero tolerance to this, not taking the knee.

COYP

cryrst The garden of England 12 Dec 20 7.36am
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Not trying to write anything to suit but then attempt to invalidate my own experiences by blaming it on my man management skills. Makes sense. For the record, spat on by Leeds fans, called a black c*** and told "When it kicks off today, you better run" by Millwall fans. And of course, you speak for all members of the HOL, only I was branded a racist myself, so which one is it? We are all branded as racists so dont feel bad. Check out the brexit thread for proof of that.

cryrst

The garden of England 12 Dec 20 7.36am

Originally posted by madcap_v2

And of course, you speak for all members of the HOL, only I was branded a racist myself, so which one is it?

We are all branded as racists so dont feel bad.
Check out the brexit thread for proof of that.

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Dec 20 8.38am
AJ will not take the knee [Link] One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Dec 20 8.38am

AJ will not take the knee

[Link]

One more point

eritheagle Erith 12 Dec 20 8.50am
Originally posted by Badger11 AJ will not take the knee [Link] Blimey, I've got some respect for him now. One of the other headlines was that a fan is going to get a LIFETIME ban for booing the taking of the knee. How Draconian is that! I myself wouldn't boo it but I think that is totally over the top.

eritheagle

Erith 12 Dec 20 8.50am

Originally posted by Badger11

AJ will not take the knee

[Link]

Blimey, I've got some respect for him now.

One of the other headlines was that a fan is going to get a LIFETIME ban for booing the taking of the knee. How Draconian is that!
I myself wouldn't boo it but I think that is totally over the top.

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Dec 20 8.58am
I spoke to a Millwall mate the other night he has a pretty good idea how the fans feel so his take on the booing was this. Nothing to do with racism or even BLM it's taking the knee that upset them. "We are Millwall we don't run and we don't take the knee (act of submission) for anyone". Stop taking the knee we stop booing. I can see his logic they feel it is damaging their reputation (as thugs), my words not his. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Dec 20 8.58am

I spoke to a Millwall mate the other night he has a pretty good idea how the fans feel so his take on the booing was this.

Nothing to do with racism or even BLM it's taking the knee that upset them. "We are Millwall we don't run and we don't take the knee (act of submission) for anyone".

Stop taking the knee we stop booing.

I can see his logic they feel it is damaging their reputation (as thugs), my words not his.

One more point

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Dec 20 9.55am
Originally posted by eritheagle Blimey, I've got some respect for him now. One of the other headlines was that a fan is going to get a LIFETIME ban for booing the taking of the knee. How Draconian is that! I myself wouldn't boo it but I think that is totally over the top. I hope this comes back to haunt them. The arrogance of these people is quite something. If you can take a knee then you should by equal measure be allowed to boo. What the hell kind of country have we become?

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Dec 20 9.55am

Originally posted by eritheagle

Blimey, I've got some respect for him now.

One of the other headlines was that a fan is going to get a LIFETIME ban for booing the taking of the knee. How Draconian is that!
I myself wouldn't boo it but I think that is totally over the top.

I hope this comes back to haunt them. The arrogance of these people is quite something.
If you can take a knee then you should by equal measure be allowed to boo. What the hell kind of country have we become?

eritheagle Erith 12 Dec 20 10.06am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I hope this comes back to haunt them. The arrogance of these people is quite something. If you can take a knee then you should by equal measure be allowed to boo. What the hell kind of country have we become? Exactly! The leftie, liberals are all for free speech and everyone is entitled to an opinion as long as it’s the same as their’s! God forbid someone doesn’t agree with them!

eritheagle

Erith 12 Dec 20 10.06am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Exactly!
The leftie, liberals are all for free speech and everyone is entitled to an opinion as long as it’s the same as their’s! God forbid someone doesn’t agree with them!

Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Dec 20 12.43pm
Originally posted by Badger11 AJ will not take the knee [Link] Hopefully more thought will have gone into it than that scrap of paper handed to AJ in that park in the summer saying black people should boycott white businesses. And people ask why isn’t everyone in favour of taking the knee. Short memories some people. It’s no coincidence it has the hard left involved. They have the shortest memories in the human species. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 12 Dec 20 12.43pm

Originally posted by Badger11

AJ will not take the knee

[Link]

Hopefully more thought will have gone into it than that scrap of paper handed to AJ in that park in the summer saying black people should boycott white businesses. And people ask why isn’t everyone in favour of taking the knee. Short memories some people. It’s no coincidence it has the hard left involved. They have the shortest memories in the human species.

COYP

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