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Coutts VS Nigel Farage
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 cryrst  The garden of England 05 Aug 23 5.05pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Great. We are in agreement then. Coutts had the right to close the account. Whether it was a wise decision is an entirely different question. I said the very same a while ago but it doesn’t make it right !
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Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 05 Aug 23 8.10pm |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
The Russian Money allegation was made in the House of Commons by a fervent ' Remainer ' MP under Parliamentary Privilege. And of course, Farage denied receiving it. For that allegation to be made outside of that Privilege would have resulted in more work for Farage's lawyers. As I pointed out several posts ago, Coutts had downgraded Farage from a medium to low risk. There is no additional scrutiny required. You've said this before and I corrected you then. You can continue to spin it or play with words and indeed continue to proffer opinions that don't stack up with facts, that's your prerogative. There were, and still are, smoking guns surrounding the Leave campaign funding. Which I have little doubt our security services know much more about than either of us. Knowing something and proving in court when a huge web of plausible deniability has been woven around it are two very different things. Using Parliamentary Privilege to get that out there was probably the only way to make it known. I think he was fed the information by someone in the security forces. All speculation of course but it makes sense to me, because of the circumstantial evidence. Do you have inside information on how Coutts were grading Farage at the time of the closure, or just in the past? I can imagine him being downgraded after Brexit, him stopping being MEP and failing to become an MP. His visibility and risk declined then. These days he is on a self-promotion jamboree, preparing to re-enter politics on a white horse to save the nation. Big risk.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Aug 23 8.13pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I meant it was a fact regarding his comments about Brexiteers. If it is not that person I will apologise but if it is, can you categorically say his views will not have any bearing on his enquiry How can anyone say that but as a professional they absolutely must not and whoever appoints them must both trust them and oversee them to ensure there is none.
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Teddy Eagle  05 Aug 23 8.21pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There were, and still are, smoking guns surrounding the Leave campaign funding. Which I have little doubt our security services know much more about than either of us. Knowing something and proving in court when a huge web of plausible deniability has been woven around it are two very different things. Using Parliamentary Privilege to get that out there was probably the only way to make it known. I think he was fed the information by someone in the security forces. All speculation of course but it makes sense to me, because of the circumstantial evidence. Do you have inside information on how Coutts were grading Farage at the time of the closure, or just in the past? I can imagine him being downgraded after Brexit, him stopping being MEP and failing to become an MP. His visibility and risk declined then. These days he is on a self-promotion jamboree, preparing to re-enter politics on a white horse to save the nation. Big risk. Any evidence for any of this?
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 Hrolf The Ganger 05 Aug 23 8.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There were, and still are, smoking guns surrounding the Leave campaign funding. Which I have little doubt our security services know much more about than either of us. Knowing something and proving in court when a huge web of plausible deniability has been woven around it are two very different things. Using Parliamentary Privilege to get that out there was probably the only way to make it known. I think he was fed the information by someone in the security forces. All speculation of course but it makes sense to me, because of the circumstantial evidence. Do you have inside information on how Coutts were grading Farage at the time of the closure, or just in the past? I can imagine him being downgraded after Brexit, him stopping being MEP and failing to become an MP. His visibility and risk declined then. These days he is on a self-promotion jamboree, preparing to re-enter politics on a white horse to save the nation. Big risk. You really are a laughable character. The official Remain campaign spent over twice as much as Leave. Pitiful. Both campaigns were at liberty to get donations from other supporters.
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| Teddy Eagle 05 Aug 23 8.52pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You really are a laughable character. The official Remain campaign spent over twice as much as Leave. Pitiful. Both campaigns were at liberty to get donations from other supporters. One of the main Brexit donors was Jeremy Hosking who's a major shareholder at CPFC. Maybe we should be investigated for dodgy investments too.
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| georgenorman 05 Aug 23 9.53pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There were, and still are, smoking guns surrounding the Leave campaign funding. Which I have little doubt our security services know much more about than either of us. Knowing something and proving in court when a huge web of plausible deniability has been woven around it are two very different things. Using Parliamentary Privilege to get that out there was probably the only way to make it known. I think he was fed the information by someone in the security forces. All speculation of course but it makes sense to me, because of the circumstantial evidence. Do you have inside information on how Coutts were grading Farage at the time of the closure, or just in the past? I can imagine him being downgraded after Brexit, him stopping being MEP and failing to become an MP. His visibility and risk declined then. These days he is on a self-promotion jamboree, preparing to re-enter politics on a white horse to save the nation. Big risk. What a crock of you know what.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 05 Aug 23 10.11pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Any evidence for any of this? Now THAT is funny
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 05 Aug 23 10.24pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There were, and still are, smoking guns surrounding the Leave campaign funding. Which I have little doubt our security services know much more about than either of us. Knowing something and proving in court when a huge web of plausible deniability has been woven around it are two very different things. Using Parliamentary Privilege to get that out there was probably the only way to make it known. I think he was fed the information by someone in the security forces. All speculation of course but it makes sense to me, because of the circumstantial evidence. Do you have inside information on how Coutts were grading Farage at the time of the closure, or just in the past? I can imagine him being downgraded after Brexit, him stopping being MEP and failing to become an MP. His visibility and risk declined then. These days he is on a self-promotion jamboree, preparing to re-enter politics on a white horse to save the nation. Big risk. I have no inside information. The downgrading to Low Risk is in the public domain as it was part of the dossier Farage obtained from Coutts. If he’s preparing to re-enter politics then he may well be re-assessed but whoever conducts that review will need to do so on a fair and unbiased basis
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 06 Aug 23 1.43am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That’s just wrong. You are another who cannot understand the difference between the cause of something and the reason for it. If you want to go back a few pages. The reasons have been explained. They aren’t the opinions themselves. It’s that they are controversial opinions. They could equally be strident left wing opinion as strident right wing. Maybe it's you who can't understand there is no difference. In most people's opinion, what you are saying is pure pedantry. I'm inclined to agree with Matov however. There really is no point debating with a village idiot.
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| Eden Eagle Kent 06 Aug 23 10.30am |
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There is no point in continuing to debate with this guy - he is a a troll…
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Aug 23 10.39am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Any evidence for any of this? The smoke from guns tends to drift away over time, and is always difficult to quantify anyway. That’s why plausible deniability is such a powerful weapon. So evidence, no. Strong suspicion, oh yes!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Aug 23 10.44am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You really are a laughable character. The official Remain campaign spent over twice as much as Leave. Pitiful. Both campaigns were at liberty to get donations from other supporters. I know that. Not the point. Remain was, for good reasons, supported by big business. Leave had the significant advantage of promising jam tomorrow but needed to raise funds from mostly small donors. It ought to have been very poor, but wasn’t. Money came from somewhere.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Aug 23 10.45am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
One of the main Brexit donors was Jeremy Hosking who's a major shareholder at CPFC. Maybe we should be investigated for dodgy investments too. Always felt odd that. Why? Parish was too. I wonder how they both feel today?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Aug 23 10.51am |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
I have no inside information. The downgrading to Low Risk is in the public domain as it was part of the dossier Farage obtained from Coutts. If he’s preparing to re-enter politics then he may well be re-assessed but whoever conducts that review will need to do so on a fair and unbiased basis When though was he so downgraded? Does that mean another review cannot take place if internal policy has been revised? It’s simply up to the bank and neither us, nor the client, really has any input. Finding out and making it public might be embarrassing for the bank but doesn’t change their right to take decisions.
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 06 Aug 23 10.56am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Always felt odd that. Why? Parish was too. I wonder how they both feel today? The town of Sevenoaks in Kent has one of the highest millionaires per capita in the UK outside of London. As a Town, it voted in favour of Brexit.
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| Teddy Eagle 06 Aug 23 11.01am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The smoke from guns tends to drift away over time, and is always difficult to quantify anyway. That’s why plausible deniability is such a powerful weapon. So evidence, no. Strong suspicion, oh yes! That's alright as long as you're prepared to accept others' opinions without evidence or accusations of believing conspiracy theories.
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 06 Aug 23 11.03am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
When though was he so downgraded? Does that mean another review cannot take place if internal policy has been revised? It’s simply up to the bank and neither us, nor the client, really has any input. Finding out and making it public might be embarrassing for the bank but doesn’t change their right to take decisions. Presumably he was downgraded at the last review. All banks have different ways of working so it's hard to second guess how their internal policies are implemented. For example, a Review could be event driven - rather than just becoming due. But I have no visibility over Coutts methodology. You're just re-hashing old ground with that second paragraph, I thought we had established that long ago now. As far as I'm aware nobody has denied that Coutts had the right to do what they did. Just that it was the wrong thing to do.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Aug 23 12.58pm |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
The town of Sevenoaks in Kent has one of the highest millionaires per capita in the UK outside of London. As a Town, it voted in favour of Brexit. Property value millionaires with blue rinses who read the Mail? Hardly typical.
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