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chris123 hove actually 08 Aug 17 4.11pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Doesn't that show the whole problem with brexiteers, that if it was shown to be totally wrong for the country and even if they understood it to be that way themselves, they would still want it. Only Germany contribute more than us in 2015 - both on a gross and net basis - so for me there is nothing I don't understand either on funding the EU or repatriating our law making or controlling our borders.

chris123

hove actually 08 Aug 17 4.11pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Doesn't that show the whole problem with brexiteers, that if it was shown to be totally wrong for the country and even if they understood it to be that way themselves, they would still want it.

Only Germany contribute more than us in 2015 - both on a gross and net basis - so for me there is nothing I don't understand either on funding the EU or repatriating our law making or controlling our borders.

Stirlingsays 08 Aug 17 4.17pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 It's called intransigence. Old Thatcherites have it in spades as does anyone with strong ultra-views Left or Right. It was also their longed for protest vote which they will keep celebrating even when the economic lights have dimmed and the stench of insular sweat and what the fvck have we done? vomit have filled the emptying room. What are you waffling on about?! Kermit, you really need to take you hand out of your trousers when you're writing this stuff! 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Aug 17 4.17pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

It's called intransigence. Old Thatcherites have it in spades as does anyone with strong ultra-views Left or Right. It was also their longed for protest vote which they will keep celebrating even when the economic lights have dimmed and the stench of insular sweat and what the fvck have we done? vomit have filled the emptying room.

What are you waffling on about?!

Kermit, you really need to take you hand out of your trousers when you're writing this stuff!

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 08 Aug 17 4.22pm
Originally posted by chris123 Only Germany contribute more than us in 2015 - both on a gross and net basis - so for me there is nothing I don't understand either on funding the EU or repatriating our law making or controlling our borders. Ok but what I am saying is that if you did understand that brexit was totally wrong you would still want it.

steeleye20

Croydon 08 Aug 17 4.22pm

Originally posted by chris123

Ok but what I am saying is that if you did understand that brexit was totally wrong you would still want it.

jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Aug 17 4.26pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Doesn't that show the whole problem with brexiteers, that if it was shown to be totally wrong for the country and even if they understood it to be that way themselves, they would still want it. I think this generally sums up the human condition (not specifically to brexit or remain) but that people really don't like to admit they got something wrong, and tend to find reasons to stick to their argument, rather than explore the possibility of being wrong. I think its basically, half of people, 25% on either side of an argument, would rather win than be right, which is a fundamental problem. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 08 Aug 17 4.26pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Doesn't that show the whole problem with brexiteers, that if it was shown to be totally wrong for the country and even if they understood it to be that way themselves, they would still want it.

I think this generally sums up the human condition (not specifically to brexit or remain) but that people really don't like to admit they got something wrong, and tend to find reasons to stick to their argument, rather than explore the possibility of being wrong.

I think its basically, half of people, 25% on either side of an argument, would rather win than be right, which is a fundamental problem.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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chris123 hove actually 08 Aug 17 4.28pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Only Germany contribute more than us in 2015 - both on a gross and net basis - so for me there is nothing I don't understand either on funding the EU or repatriating our law making or controlling our borders. Ok but what I am saying is that if you did understand that brexit was totally wrong you would still want it. I think I would be of the view that we should get on with it and be a democrat about the process.

chris123

hove actually 08 Aug 17 4.28pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Ok but what I am saying is that if you did understand that brexit was totally wrong you would still want it.

I think I would be of the view that we should get on with it and be a democrat about the process.

Stirlingsays 08 Aug 17 4.29pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Only Germany contribute more than us in 2015 - both on a gross and net basis - so for me there is nothing I don't understand either on funding the EU or repatriating our law making or controlling our borders. Ok but what I am saying is that if you did understand that brexit was totally wrong you would still want it. How many times does it have to be said. Brexit isn't purely about economics. We may or may not do better or worse...it will take time before any of us can be certain. It's about immigration and independence from an increasingly closer union. That's what the vast majority voted leave for. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Aug 17 4.29pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Ok but what I am saying is that if you did understand that brexit was totally wrong you would still want it.

How many times does it have to be said.

Brexit isn't purely about economics. We may or may not do better or worse...it will take time before any of us can be certain.

It's about immigration and independence from an increasingly closer union. That's what the vast majority voted leave for.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

chris123 hove actually 08 Aug 17 4.38pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I think this generally sums up the human condition (not specifically to brexit or remain) but that people really don't like to admit they got something wrong, and tend to find reasons to stick to their argument, rather than explore the possibility of being wrong. I think its basically, half of people, 25% on either side of an argument, would rather win than be right, which is a fundamental problem. When it comes to politics though you just need to accept the majority view though surely?

chris123

hove actually 08 Aug 17 4.38pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think its basically, half of people, 25% on either side of an argument, would rather win than be right, which is a fundamental problem.

When it comes to politics though you just need to accept the majority view though surely?

Kermit8 Hevon 08 Aug 17 4.43pm
Originally posted by chris123 When it comes to politics though you just need to accept the majority view though surely? Not really. Southern States and plenty in New York surprisingly (trade) didn't want slavery abolished. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 08 Aug 17 4.43pm

Originally posted by chris123

When it comes to politics though you just need to accept the majority view though surely?

Not really. Southern States and plenty in New York surprisingly (trade) didn't want slavery abolished.

Big chest and massive boobs

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europalace Europe 08 Aug 17 4.44pm
"Sterling hits 10-month low against euro Posted at 17:09 Sterling hit a 10-month low against the euro after consumer spending fell for a third month in a row in July. "There is very little reason to be bullish about the British economy now and it is relatively cleaner to execute a short sterling trade against the euro against whom its economic fortunes have diverged completely," Jordan Rochester, an FX strategist at Nomura in London, said. Sterling fell to 90.87 pence against the euro, its lowest since October 2016, before recovering partially." [Link]

europalace

Europe 08 Aug 17 4.44pm

"Sterling hits 10-month low against euro
Posted at 17:09

Sterling hit a 10-month low against the euro after consumer spending fell for a third month in a row in July.

"There is very little reason to be bullish about the British economy now and it is relatively cleaner to execute a short sterling trade against the euro against whom its economic fortunes have diverged completely," Jordan Rochester, an FX strategist at Nomura in London, said.

Sterling fell to 90.87 pence against the euro, its lowest since October 2016, before recovering partially."

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hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Aug 17 4.50pm
Originally posted by chris123 When it comes to politics though you just need to accept the majority view though surely? Not if your are on the left; you just cling on to your outmoded, seen to fail time and again, socialist theories. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 08 Aug 17 4.50pm

Originally posted by chris123

When it comes to politics though you just need to accept the majority view though surely?

Not if your are on the left; you just cling on to your outmoded, seen to fail time and again, socialist theories.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Stirlingsays 08 Aug 17 4.53pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Not really. Southern States and plenty in New York surprisingly (trade) didn't want slavery abolished. Wasn't a president elected who did want it abolished?...So it was a majority....popular votes were more than double over his opponent. Without Lincoln....no war. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2017 4.55pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Aug 17 4.53pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Not really. Southern States and plenty in New York surprisingly (trade) didn't want slavery abolished.

Wasn't a president elected who did want it abolished?...So it was a majority....popular votes were more than double over his opponent.

Without Lincoln....no war.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2017 4.55pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

chris123 hove actually 08 Aug 17 4.56pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Not really. Southern States and plenty in New York surprisingly (trade) didn't want slavery abolished. Was the 13th Amendment passed by a majority in the House of Representatives?

chris123

hove actually 08 Aug 17 4.56pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Not really. Southern States and plenty in New York surprisingly (trade) didn't want slavery abolished.

Was the 13th Amendment passed by a majority in the House of Representatives?

steeleye20 Croydon 08 Aug 17 4.59pm
Originally posted by chris123 When it comes to politics though you just need to accept the majority view though surely? Definitely not especially in this case. Such a fundamental change to the UK must be based on an informed view the public do not have that only a tissue of lies. An overwhelming majority say 75/80% that's different. Conservatives and particularly Mrs Thatcher always deeply distrusted the idea of referenda maybe seeing it as a route for the nazis in the 30's. A vote of 51% could change by the hour.

steeleye20

Croydon 08 Aug 17 4.59pm

Originally posted by chris123

When it comes to politics though you just need to accept the majority view though surely?

Definitely not especially in this case.

Such a fundamental change to the UK must be based on an informed view the public do not have that only a tissue of lies.

An overwhelming majority say 75/80% that's different.

Conservatives and particularly Mrs Thatcher always deeply distrusted the idea of referenda maybe seeing it as a route for the nazis in the 30's.

A vote of 51% could change by the hour.

.TUX. 08 Aug 17 6.54pm
Originally posted by europalace "Sterling hits 10-month low against euro Posted at 17:09 Sterling hit a 10-month low against the euro after consumer spending fell for a third month in a row in July. "There is very little reason to be bullish about the British economy now and it is relatively cleaner to execute a short sterling trade against the euro against whom its economic fortunes have diverged completely," Jordan Rochester, an FX strategist at Nomura in London, said. Sterling fell to 90.87 pence against the euro, its lowest since October 2016, before recovering partially." [Link] Pound against the euro, pound against the euro.........blah blah bloody blah.......zzzzzzzzzzz. I suggest you take the time to think about what Draghi and his policy of buying anything that friggin' moves, with DEBT (printed from thin-air), that will ultimately cost YOU plenty. Deflection is far far easier to live with though isn't it Edited by .TUX. (08 Aug 2017 6.54pm) Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

08 Aug 17 6.54pm

Originally posted by europalace

"Sterling hits 10-month low against euro
Posted at 17:09

Sterling hit a 10-month low against the euro after consumer spending fell for a third month in a row in July.

Sterling fell to 90.87 pence against the euro, its lowest since October 2016, before recovering partially."

[Link]

Pound against the euro, pound against the euro.........blah blah bloody blah.......zzzzzzzzzzz.
I suggest you take the time to think about what Draghi and his policy of buying anything that friggin' moves, with DEBT (printed from thin-air), that will ultimately cost YOU plenty.
Deflection is far far easier to live with though isn't it

Edited by .TUX. (08 Aug 2017 6.54pm)

Buy Litecoin.

steeleye20 Croydon 08 Aug 17 7.19pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays How many times does it have to be said. Brexit isn't purely about economics. We may or may not do better or worse...it will take time before any of us can be certain. It's about immigration and independence from an increasingly closer union. That's what the vast majority voted leave for. That's what the vast majority voted leave for. Not a vast majority 51 to 49% as you already know, probably a vote to remain would win now because people get sick of uncertainty but that is conjecture.

steeleye20

Croydon 08 Aug 17 7.19pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

How many times does it have to be said.

Brexit isn't purely about economics. We may or may not do better or worse...it will take time before any of us can be certain.

It's about immigration and independence from an increasingly closer union. That's what the vast majority voted leave for.

That's what the vast majority voted leave for.

Not a vast majority 51 to 49% as you already know, probably a vote to remain would win now because people get sick of uncertainty but that is conjecture.

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 08 Aug 17 7.22pm
Originally posted by europalace "Sterling hits 10-month low against euro Posted at 17:09 Sterling hit a 10-month low against the euro after consumer spending fell for a third month in a row in July. "There is very little reason to be bullish about the British economy now and it is relatively cleaner to execute a short sterling trade against the euro against whom its economic fortunes have diverged completely," Jordan Rochester, an FX strategist at Nomura in London, said. Sterling fell to 90.87 pence against the euro, its lowest since October 2016, before recovering partially." [Link] More keyboard cr@p from someone who lives out of the UK and owns a lavish yacht and drinks posh booze....AND is also afraid to face his demons at a meet up on your home soil. In my eyes you are a loser and should stick to your Maltese island and leave ours alone... Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 08 Aug 17 7.22pm

Originally posted by europalace

"Sterling hits 10-month low against euro
Posted at 17:09

Sterling hit a 10-month low against the euro after consumer spending fell for a third month in a row in July.

Sterling fell to 90.87 pence against the euro, its lowest since October 2016, before recovering partially."

[Link]

More keyboard cr@p from someone who lives out of the UK and owns a lavish yacht and drinks posh booze....AND is also afraid to face his demons at a meet up on your home soil. In my eyes you are a loser and should stick to your Maltese island and leave ours alone...

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Kermit8 Hevon 08 Aug 17 7.24pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 That's what the vast majority voted leave for. Not a vast majority 51 to 49% as you already know, probably a vote to remain would win now because people get sick of uncertainty but that is conjecture. He means the vast majority of the 51% which is correct. Many who may suffer from and regret that choice probably got caught up in the Farage fervour and if it's good enough for Boris mentality. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 08 Aug 17 7.24pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

That's what the vast majority voted leave for.

Not a vast majority 51 to 49% as you already know, probably a vote to remain would win now because people get sick of uncertainty but that is conjecture.

He means the vast majority of the 51% which is correct. Many who may suffer from and regret that choice probably got caught up in the Farage fervour and if it's good enough for Boris mentality.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Kermit8 Hevon 08 Aug 17 7.28pm
Originally posted by susmik More keyboard cr@p from someone who lives out of the UK and owns a lavish yacht and drinks posh booze....AND is also afraid to face his demons at a meet up on your home soil. In my eyes you are a loser and should stick to your Maltese island and leave ours alone... Would it help if I impersonated europalace for a day and make my way down to Plymouth so you can get it all out susmik? You know, wear a t-shirt with EU flag etc. Leave my left side alone though. That's the best side. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 08 Aug 17 7.28pm

Originally posted by susmik

Would it help if I impersonated europalace for a day and make my way down to Plymouth so you can get it all out susmik? You know, wear a t-shirt with EU flag etc. Leave my left side alone though. That's the best side.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

matt_himself Matataland 08 Aug 17 7.35pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Would it help if I impersonated europalace for a day and make my way down to Plymouth so you can get it all out susmik? You know, wear a t-shirt with EU flag etc. Leave my left side alone though. That's the best side. Why don't you take along all your black, evangelical, non-binary transgender, 'Anglo Scottish', disabled and gay friends? It would be a nice day out for the imaginary crew. Edited by matt_himself (08 Aug 2017 7.35pm) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 08 Aug 17 7.35pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Why don't you take along all your black, evangelical, non-binary transgender, 'Anglo Scottish', disabled and gay friends?

It would be a nice day out for the imaginary crew.

Edited by matt_himself (08 Aug 2017 7.35pm)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Kermit8 Hevon 08 Aug 17 7.55pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Why don't you take along all your black, evangelical, non-binary transgender, 'Anglo Scottish', disabled and gay friends? It would be a nice day out for the imaginary crew. Edited by matt_himself (08 Aug 2017 7.35pm) You sound envious. Is it that difficult for you in a city like London to meet and evolve friendships with such people these days? I mean i was only there for 40 years so maybe it has changed. My friendships with an evangelical, a British Indian or three, a British Caribbean or two and gay are/were fond memories. Maybe you should try harder to integrate. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 08 Aug 17 7.55pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Why don't you take along all your black, evangelical, non-binary transgender, 'Anglo Scottish', disabled and gay friends?

It would be a nice day out for the imaginary crew.

Edited by matt_himself (08 Aug 2017 7.35pm)

You sound envious. Is it that difficult for you in a city like London to meet and evolve friendships with such people these days? I mean i was only there for 40 years so maybe it has changed. My friendships with an evangelical, a British Indian or three, a British Caribbean or two and gay are/were fond memories. Maybe you should try harder to integrate.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

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