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Putitout Oxford 02 Aug 22 7.15pm
Originally posted by PatrickA Kouyate is rarely injured, doesn't carry excess weight and shows no sign of slowing down or lacking fitness. He knows the club, appears to be well liked by the manager and his team mates and his versatility is a bonus. I understand having a general policy for players over thirty but I'm sure exceptions could be made. If we have a younger equivalent replacement lined up then fair enough, but there appears to be no sign of this at present. If it is only a year on offer this could easily be a shot in our own foot. It might be Kouyates demands are to high. But all in all to lose a fit , experienced international, who has played a big part for us in both mid field and defence in the last two seasons, two years would make him 34 not to old unless injury prone, which he is not. So his loss has to be considered of doubtful use going forward. In particular if we do not make more experienced signings for mid field.

Putitout

Oxford 02 Aug 22 7.15pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

Kouyate is rarely injured, doesn't carry excess weight and shows no sign of slowing down or lacking fitness.
He knows the club, appears to be well liked by the manager and his team mates and his versatility is a bonus.
I understand having a general policy for players over thirty but I'm sure exceptions could be made.
If we have a younger equivalent replacement lined up then fair enough, but there appears to be no sign of this at present.

If it is only a year on offer this could easily be a shot in our own foot. It might be Kouyates demands are to high. But all in all to lose a fit , experienced international, who has played a big part for us in both mid field and defence in the last two seasons, two years would make him 34 not to old unless injury prone, which he is not. So his loss has to be considered of doubtful use going forward.
In particular if we do not make more experienced signings for mid field.

ambrose7 Croydon 02 Aug 22 7.21pm
A 2 year contract means Kouyate is another player at AFCON 2023 (in January 2024). We are at risk of Doucoure, Kouyate, Olise, Eze, Zaha, Schlupp and Ayew all being at that tournament. That is a huge reason not to give him a 2 year contract. 26th January 2010 - Enter Administration 2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough 1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds 7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.

ambrose7

Croydon 02 Aug 22 7.21pm

A 2 year contract means Kouyate is another player at AFCON 2023 (in January 2024).

We are at risk of Doucoure, Kouyate, Olise, Eze, Zaha, Schlupp and Ayew all being at that tournament.

That is a huge reason not to give him a 2 year contract.

26th January 2010 - Enter Administration
2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough
1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds
7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.

Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 02 Aug 22 7.35pm
Originally posted by ambrose7 A 2 year contract means Kouyate is another player at AFCON 2023 (in January 2024). We are at risk of Doucoure, Kouyate, Olise, Eze, Zaha, Schlupp and Ayew all being at that tournament. That is a huge reason not to give him a 2 year contract. I thought he was going to sign for a club in Middle East? “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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Lanzarote 02 Aug 22 7.35pm

Originally posted by ambrose7

A 2 year contract means Kouyate is another player at AFCON 2023 (in January 2024).

We are at risk of Doucoure, Kouyate, Olise, Eze, Zaha, Schlupp and Ayew all being at that tournament.

That is a huge reason not to give him a 2 year contract.

I thought he was going to sign for a club in Middle East?

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 02 Aug 22 7.42pm
Originally posted by PatrickA Kouyate is rarely injured, doesn't carry excess weight and shows no sign of slowing down or lacking fitness. He knows the club, appears to be well liked by the manager and his team mates and his versatility is a bonus. I understand having a general policy for players over thirty but I'm sure exceptions could be made. If we have a younger equivalent replacement lined up then fair enough, but there appears to be no sign of this at present. Maybe I'm missing something but isn't Doucoure the younger replacement?

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 02 Aug 22 7.42pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

Kouyate is rarely injured, doesn't carry excess weight and shows no sign of slowing down or lacking fitness.
He knows the club, appears to be well liked by the manager and his team mates and his versatility is a bonus.
I understand having a general policy for players over thirty but I'm sure exceptions could be made.
If we have a younger equivalent replacement lined up then fair enough, but there appears to be no sign of this at present.

Maybe I'm missing something but isn't Doucoure the younger replacement?

Putitout Oxford 02 Aug 22 7.43pm
Originally posted by ambrose7 A 2 year contract means Kouyate is another player at AFCON 2023 (in January 2024). We are at risk of Doucoure, Kouyate, Olise, Eze, Zaha, Schlupp and Ayew all being at that tournament. That is a huge reason not to give him a 2 year contract. Zaha, Schlupp, Ayew, contracts end before Jan 24 Eze Olise, as of yet do not play for African nations. So any decisions at that time go well beyond keeping Kouyate or not.

Putitout

Oxford 02 Aug 22 7.43pm

Originally posted by ambrose7

A 2 year contract means Kouyate is another player at AFCON 2023 (in January 2024).

We are at risk of Doucoure, Kouyate, Olise, Eze, Zaha, Schlupp and Ayew all being at that tournament.

That is a huge reason not to give him a 2 year contract.

Zaha, Schlupp, Ayew, contracts end before Jan 24 Eze Olise, as of yet do not play for African nations. So any decisions at that time go well beyond keeping Kouyate or not.

Spiderman Horsham 02 Aug 22 7.45pm
Originally posted by ambrose7 A 2 year contract means Kouyate is another player at AFCON 2023 (in January 2024). We are at risk of Doucoure, Kouyate, Olise, Eze, Zaha, Schlupp and Ayew all being at that tournament. That is a huge reason not to give him a 2 year contract. Why would Eze be at the Afcon? He will be in the England setup by then

Spiderman

Horsham 02 Aug 22 7.45pm

Originally posted by ambrose7

A 2 year contract means Kouyate is another player at AFCON 2023 (in January 2024).

We are at risk of Doucoure, Kouyate, Olise, Eze, Zaha, Schlupp and Ayew all being at that tournament.

That is a huge reason not to give him a 2 year contract.

Why would Eze be at the Afcon? He will be in the England setup by then

Spiderman Horsham 02 Aug 22 7.45pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Why would Eze be at the Afcon? He will be in the England setup by then[. Olise will be aiming for the French team/quote]

Badger11 Beckenham 02 Aug 22 7.55pm
Originally posted by BelfastEagle Why a smart move ? He has left he has no contract that’s it. If he comes back then he’s a new signing. Because they left the door open for him to change his mind. He's not going to get a 2 year deal so that's why he ran his contract down however he may decide that better the devil... in which case we can re-sign him with minimum fuss on the deal he originally rejected. It may not happen but who knows. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 02 Aug 22 7.55pm

Originally posted by BelfastEagle

Why a smart move ? He has left he has no contract that’s it. If he comes back then he’s a new signing.

Because they left the door open for him to change his mind. He's not going to get a 2 year deal so that's why he ran his contract down however he may decide that better the devil... in which case we can re-sign him with minimum fuss on the deal he originally rejected.

It may not happen but who knows.

One more point

Andy0629 Warlingham 02 Aug 22 9.41pm
Interesting Chelsea have agreed a deal with Villa to sign their midfielder Carney Chukwuemeka for 20m he played 12 Prem games last season, so what does that mean for Gallagher & RLC, could one be on the way or will they stick the new signing out on loan?

Andy0629

Warlingham 02 Aug 22 9.41pm

Interesting Chelsea have agreed a deal with Villa to sign their midfielder Carney Chukwuemeka for 20m he played 12 Prem games last season, so what does that mean for Gallagher & RLC, could one be on the way or will they stick the new signing out on loan?

Bullhorn76 Darlington 02 Aug 22 10.17pm
Has dazza slipped down the back of a couch or something? ,although the links/rumours have been sparse on Twitter lately hence why Reliable D hasn’t been around as much…….

Bullhorn76

Darlington 02 Aug 22 10.17pm

Has dazza slipped down the back of a couch or something? ,although the links/rumours have been sparse on Twitter lately hence why Reliable D hasn’t been around as much…….

Dubai Eagle 03 Aug 22 6.12am
The trouble with making exceptions is that from then on every case wants to be viewed as an exception - With regards to Kouyate I am surprised he hasn't found somewhere in the time that this stalemate has been going on as you would think with his attributes (as you have pointed out below) someone else out there would be only too keen to offer him 2 years. Originally posted by PatrickA Kouyate is rarely injured, doesn't carry excess weight and shows no sign of slowing down or lacking fitness. He knows the club, appears to be well liked by the manager and his team mates and his versatility is a bonus. I understand having a general policy for players over thirty but I'm sure exceptions could be made. If we have a younger equivalent replacement lined up then fair enough, but there appears to be no sign of this at present.

Dubai Eagle

03 Aug 22 6.12am

The trouble with making exceptions is that from then on every case wants to be viewed as an exception -

With regards to Kouyate I am surprised he hasn't found somewhere in the time that this stalemate has been going on as you would think with his attributes (as you have pointed out below) someone else out there would be only too keen to offer him 2 years.

Originally posted by PatrickA

Painter Croydon 03 Aug 22 6.20am
Originally posted by Bullhorn76 Has dazza slipped down the back of a couch or something? ,although the links/rumours have been sparse on Twitter lately hence why Reliable D hasn’t been around as much……. Or because there is nothing happening!

Painter

Croydon 03 Aug 22 6.20am

Originally posted by Bullhorn76

Has dazza slipped down the back of a couch or something? ,although the links/rumours have been sparse on Twitter lately hence why Reliable D hasn’t been around as much…….

Or because there is nothing happening!

silvertop Portishead 03 Aug 22 8.55am
Originally posted by BelfastEagle Why a smart move ? He has left he has no contract that’s it. If he comes back then he’s a new signing. Still registered with us I guess?

silvertop

Portishead 03 Aug 22 8.55am

Originally posted by BelfastEagle

Why a smart move ? He has left he has no contract that’s it. If he comes back then he’s a new signing.

Still registered with us I guess?

silvertop Portishead 03 Aug 22 8.59am
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle The trouble with making exceptions is that from then on every case wants to be viewed as an exception - With regards to Kouyate I am surprised he hasn't found somewhere in the time that this stalemate has been going on as you would think with his attributes (as you have pointed out below) someone else out there would be only too keen to offer him 2 years. Hmm, I see no floodgate issue here. 2/3 players a season will be able to make that case; only if they want to; and the club will consider it on its merits. 2 years works well with me for Kouyate. Does not take him past Jimmy Mac's age (or does it?).

silvertop

Portishead 03 Aug 22 8.59am

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

The trouble with making exceptions is that from then on every case wants to be viewed as an exception -

Hmm, I see no floodgate issue here. 2/3 players a season will be able to make that case; only if they want to; and the club will consider it on its merits.

2 years works well with me for Kouyate. Does not take him past Jimmy Mac's age (or does it?).

silvertop Portishead 03 Aug 22 9.00am
Originally posted by Spiderman Why would Eze be at the Afcon? He will be in the England setup by then And Kouyate would be an important but fringe player by then.

silvertop

Portishead 03 Aug 22 9.00am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Why would Eze be at the Afcon? He will be in the England setup by then

And Kouyate would be an important but fringe player by then.

Dubai Eagle 03 Aug 22 9.40am
I think it depends upon how its been integrated - if its a cast iron rule or if its a guideline consideration where there is the possibility where every case is decided upon its merits - in which case who decided which merits are more relevant ? As others have said how will they handle the Zaha situation, perhaps offer him a new deal whilst still 29 ? Additionally how many other guideline rulings are there (that we haven't heard about within the club) which could be effected by either upholding or an eroding of this one ? Difficult to say - But at the moment it seems as though the club is insisting on it being a one year deal & presumably the player is insisting that he wants more security than that - bit of a stalemate but the clock is ticking / the season is starting & presumably the club have a plan to go forward without him if necessary. Originally posted by silvertop Hmm, I see no floodgate issue here. 2/3 players a season will be able to make that case; only if they want to; and the club will consider it on its merits. 2 years works well with me for Kouyate. Does not take him past Jimmy Mac's age (or does it?).

Dubai Eagle

03 Aug 22 9.40am

I think it depends upon how its been integrated - if its a cast iron rule or if its a guideline consideration where there is the possibility where every case is decided upon its merits - in which case who decided which merits are more relevant ?

As others have said how will they handle the Zaha situation, perhaps offer him a new deal whilst still 29 ?

Additionally how many other guideline rulings are there (that we haven't heard about within the club) which could be effected by either upholding or an eroding of this one ?

Difficult to say -

But at the moment it seems as though the club is insisting on it being a one year deal & presumably the player is insisting that he wants more security than that - bit of a stalemate but the clock is ticking / the season is starting & presumably the club have a plan to go forward without him if necessary.

Originally posted by silvertop

Hmm, I see no floodgate issue here. 2/3 players a season will be able to make that case; only if they want to; and the club will consider it on its merits.

2 years works well with me for Kouyate. Does not take him past Jimmy Mac's age (or does it?).

Painter Croydon 03 Aug 22 10.29am
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle I think it depends upon how its been integrated - if its a cast iron rule or if its a guideline consideration where there is the possibility where every case is decided upon its merits - in which case who decided which merits are more relevant ? As others have said how will they handle the Zaha situation, perhaps offer him a new deal whilst still 29 ? Additionally how many other guideline rulings are there (that we haven't heard about within the club) which could be effected by either upholding or an eroding of this one ? Difficult to say - But at the moment it seems as though the club is insisting on it being a one year deal & presumably the player is insisting that he wants more security than that - bit of a stalemate but the clock is ticking / the season is starting & presumably the club have a plan to go forward without him if necessary. I don’t the bit about wanting security? He has played in the Premier for 8 years, guessing his average wage over that period is £50k a week, he will of earnt £20m in wages. I don’t think he needs to worry about security.

Painter

Croydon 03 Aug 22 10.29am

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

As others have said how will they handle the Zaha situation, perhaps offer him a new deal whilst still 29 ?

Additionally how many other guideline rulings are there (that we haven't heard about within the club) which could be effected by either upholding or an eroding of this one ?

Difficult to say -

I don’t the bit about wanting security? He has played in the Premier for 8 years, guessing his average wage over that period is £50k a week, he will of earnt £20m in wages. I don’t think he needs to worry about security.

MrRobbo Chaldon 03 Aug 22 10.32am
Originally posted by silvertop Hmm, I see no floodgate issue here. 2/3 players a season will be able to make that case; only if they want to; and the club will consider it on its merits. 2 years works well with me for Kouyate. Does not take him past Jimmy Mac's age (or does it?). I guess it also depends on if the club think we'll need him season after this. CD has effectively taken his CDM place. With Richards, we also now have some CB cover. If we continue to recruit well, there is a good chance that he wont make that bench let alone the team in 23/34.

MrRobbo

Chaldon 03 Aug 22 10.32am

Originally posted by silvertop

Hmm, I see no floodgate issue here. 2/3 players a season will be able to make that case; only if they want to; and the club will consider it on its merits.

2 years works well with me for Kouyate. Does not take him past Jimmy Mac's age (or does it?).

I guess it also depends on if the club think we'll need him season after this. CD has effectively taken his CDM place. With Richards, we also now have some CB cover.

If we continue to recruit well, there is a good chance that he wont make that bench let alone the team in 23/34.

Dubai Eagle 03 Aug 22 10.56am
Certainly some valid points made earlier & below - it will be interesting to see how it unfolds - Originally posted by MrRobbo I guess it also depends on if the club think we'll need him season after this. CD has effectively taken his CDM place. With Richards, we also now have some CB cover. If we continue to recruit well, there is a good chance that he wont make that bench let alone the team in 23/34.

Dubai Eagle

03 Aug 22 10.56am

Certainly some valid points made earlier & below - it will be interesting to see how it unfolds -

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I guess it also depends on if the club think we'll need him season after this. CD has effectively taken his CDM place. With Richards, we also now have some CB cover.

If we continue to recruit well, there is a good chance that he wont make that bench let alone the team in 23/34.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Aug 22 12.23pm
Originally posted by Painter Or because there is nothing happening! I'm in the know about Dazza. Heard a rumour, from my source, he went to Clacton on his hols. I'll post an update. Red and Blue Army!

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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Aug 22 12.23pm

Originally posted by Painter

Or because there is nothing happening!

I'm in the know about Dazza. Heard a rumour, from my source, he went to Clacton on his hols. I'll post an update.

Red and Blue Army!

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