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hedgehog50 Croydon 03 Sep 17 9.04pm
The EU is going to collapse of its own accord sooner or later - just like the USSR and its satellite countries. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 03 Sep 17 9.04pm

The EU is going to collapse of its own accord sooner or later - just like the USSR and its satellite countries.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

cardiff eagle 03 Sep 17 9.14pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Yeah that power of veto was rubbish. It was rubbish when the government never had the balls to enforce it over issues the people cared about. Brexit would never have happened had the government veto'd so many countries joining the EU.

cardiff eagle

03 Sep 17 9.14pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yeah that power of veto was rubbish.

It was rubbish when the government never had the balls to enforce it over issues the people cared about. Brexit would never have happened had the government veto'd so many countries joining the EU.

steeleye20 Croydon 03 Sep 17 10.20pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 The EU is going to collapse of its own accord sooner or later - just like the USSR and its satellite countries. There is not the slightest reason for the EU to collapse. Neither has Russia or the eastern bloc countries collapsed. But it is quite likely that the UK will break up.

steeleye20

Croydon 03 Sep 17 10.20pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The EU is going to collapse of its own accord sooner or later - just like the USSR and its satellite countries.

There is not the slightest reason for the EU to collapse.

Neither has Russia or the eastern bloc countries collapsed.

But it is quite likely that the UK will break up.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 03 Sep 17 10.30pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 There is not the slightest reason for the EU to collapse. Neither has Russia or the eastern bloc countries collapsed. But it is quite likely that the UK will break up. Not forgetting becoming a tax haven.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 03 Sep 17 10.30pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

There is not the slightest reason for the EU to collapse.

Neither has Russia or the eastern bloc countries collapsed.

But it is quite likely that the UK will break up.

Not forgetting becoming a tax haven.

matt_himself Matataland 04 Sep 17 5.49am
Originally posted by legaleagle Originally posted by matt_himself You really can be a patronising bore when you want to be. ..................................................... better than being a jerk who makes quips about people with stutters Edited by legaleagle (03 Sep 2017 6.57pm) Quite. One awaits your next quips about anyone whom you consider oppose your 'agenda' as 'mad', 'distasteful' or some similar label with irony. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 04 Sep 17 5.49am

Originally posted by legaleagle

Originally posted by matt_himself

You really can be a patronising bore when you want to be.

.....................................................

better than being a jerk who makes quips about people with stutters

Edited by legaleagle (03 Sep 2017 6.57pm)

Quite. One awaits your next quips about anyone whom you consider oppose your 'agenda' as 'mad', 'distasteful' or some similar label with irony.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself Matataland 04 Sep 17 5.57am
What has been the Remain camp and the EU's riposte to the Brexit vote? Has there been constructive introspection, analysis of what went wrong and how they could reform & convey their agenda in a more positive manner that would reach the hearts & minds of the EU disillusioned? No. There has been scare tactics, demands for ridiculous amounts of money and a smearing of the British negotiating team n the press, where a lot of fake news has been constructed. I don't understand why people think that we aren't better off out of this hornets nest. The only argument is 'trade bloc' status, yet a free trade deal will be done because it is in the interests of EU domicile companies. All the EU want's is our money. They need our contribution to keep the gravy train moving. They have no interest in promoting integration or collaborating with us, if they did then matters like the Calais camp would have never happened. The EU is a mess and it's existence appears to be to facilitate cheap French and German exports through the artificially low Euro, a currency created off of the back of lies, used to enslave Southern European countries and when the next set of Italian and Spanish banks crash, will crumble. There is no 'cliff edge'. Just the chance to free ourselves from Brussels grasp, engage with the World, 93% of the Worlds population live outside of the EU, and determine our own future. Edited by matt_himself (04 Sep 2017 5.59am) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 04 Sep 17 5.57am

What has been the Remain camp and the EU's riposte to the Brexit vote? Has there been constructive introspection, analysis of what went wrong and how they could reform & convey their agenda in a more positive manner that would reach the hearts & minds of the EU disillusioned?

No. There has been scare tactics, demands for ridiculous amounts of money and a smearing of the British negotiating team n the press, where a lot of fake news has been constructed.

I don't understand why people think that we aren't better off out of this hornets nest. The only argument is 'trade bloc' status, yet a free trade deal will be done because it is in the interests of EU domicile companies. All the EU want's is our money. They need our contribution to keep the gravy train moving. They have no interest in promoting integration or collaborating with us, if they did then matters like the Calais camp would have never happened. The EU is a mess and it's existence appears to be to facilitate cheap French and German exports through the artificially low Euro, a currency created off of the back of lies, used to enslave Southern European countries and when the next set of Italian and Spanish banks crash, will crumble.

There is no 'cliff edge'. Just the chance to free ourselves from Brussels grasp, engage with the World, 93% of the Worlds population live outside of the EU, and determine our own future.

Edited by matt_himself (04 Sep 2017 5.59am)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Stirlingsays 04 Sep 17 6.01am
Originally posted by steeleye20 There is not the slightest reason for the EU to collapse. Neither has Russia or the eastern bloc countries collapsed. But it is quite likely that the UK will break up. He's referring to the old soviet union genius, you know as in USSR! Which most definitely collapsed. As for the no reason for the EU to collapse. Well, you obviously don't even listen to many commentators on it. Even the EU fear it. The UK could break up and if that's the democratic will then fair enough. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

04 Sep 17 6.01am

Originally posted by steeleye20

There is not the slightest reason for the EU to collapse.

Neither has Russia or the eastern bloc countries collapsed.

But it is quite likely that the UK will break up.

He's referring to the old soviet union genius, you know as in USSR! Which most definitely collapsed.

As for the no reason for the EU to collapse.
Well, you obviously don't even listen to many commentators on it. Even the EU fear it.

The UK could break up and if that's the democratic will then fair enough.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

.TUX. 04 Sep 17 7.13am
Originally posted by steeleye20 There is not the slightest reason for the EU to collapse. Neither has Russia or the eastern bloc countries collapsed. But it is quite likely that the UK will break up. The EU has been 'funded' by the ECB's continued policy of QE ie PRINTING DEBT (from thin-air......that will one-day have to be repaid!) to artificially manipulate the bloc as a whole: ''The German Constitutional Court has found indications that the ECB’s government bond purchases may violate EU law and has asked the European Court of Justice to make a ruling. The German judges say that ECB bond buys may go beyond the central bank's mandate and inhibit euro zone members' activities. The issue is no doubt delicate: If the ECB is prohibited from buying government bonds (let alone reverse its purchases), all hell may break loose in the euro area: Many government and banks would find it increasingly difficult to roll-over their maturing debt and take on new loans at affordable interest rates. The euro project would immediately find itself in hot water. Without a monetary policy of ultra-low interest rates and bailing out struggling borrowers by printing up new money (or promising to do so, if needed) the euro project would already have gone belly up. So far the ECB has indeed successfully concealed that the pipe dream of successfully creating and running a single fiat currency has failed''. And that's without mentioning the ever-growing social tensions. The 'project' is doomed. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

04 Sep 17 7.13am

Originally posted by steeleye20

There is not the slightest reason for the EU to collapse.

Neither has Russia or the eastern bloc countries collapsed.

But it is quite likely that the UK will break up.

The EU has been 'funded' by the ECB's continued policy of QE ie PRINTING DEBT (from thin-air......that will one-day have to be repaid!) to artificially manipulate the bloc as a whole:

''The German Constitutional Court has found indications that the ECB’s government bond purchases may violate EU law and has asked the European Court of Justice to make a ruling. The German judges say that ECB bond buys may go beyond the central bank's mandate and inhibit euro zone members' activities.

The issue is no doubt delicate: If the ECB is prohibited from buying government bonds (let alone reverse its purchases), all hell may break loose in the euro area: Many government and banks would find it increasingly difficult to roll-over their maturing debt and take on new loans at affordable interest rates. The euro project would immediately find itself in hot water.

Without a monetary policy of ultra-low interest rates and bailing out struggling borrowers by printing up new money (or promising to do so, if needed) the euro project would already have gone belly up. So far the ECB has indeed successfully concealed that the pipe dream of successfully creating and running a single fiat currency has failed''.

And that's without mentioning the ever-growing social tensions.
The 'project' is doomed.

Buy Litecoin.

legaleagle 04 Sep 17 9.14am
Originally posted by matt_himself Quite. One awaits your next quips about anyone whom you consider oppose your 'agenda' as 'mad', 'distasteful' or some similar label with irony. Not anyone.Just you.And nothing to do with your underlying views.And the preferred term is "bonkers"...

legaleagle

04 Sep 17 9.14am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Quite. One awaits your next quips about anyone whom you consider oppose your 'agenda' as 'mad', 'distasteful' or some similar label with irony.

Not anyone.Just you.And nothing to do with your underlying views.And the preferred term is "bonkers"...

matt_himself Matataland 04 Sep 17 9.33am
Originally posted by legaleagle Not anyone.Just you.And nothing to do with your underlying views.And the preferred term is "bonkers"... It would help your cause if you offered an alternative opinion to posts, rather than just resorting to the 'bonkers', 'distasteful' or similar one lined response. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 04 Sep 17 9.33am

Originally posted by legaleagle

Not anyone.Just you.And nothing to do with your underlying views.And the preferred term is "bonkers"...

It would help your cause if you offered an alternative opinion to posts, rather than just resorting to the 'bonkers', 'distasteful' or similar one lined response.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

.TUX. 04 Sep 17 9.50pm
Originally posted by .TUX. The EU has been 'funded' by the ECB's continued policy of QE ie PRINTING DEBT (from thin-air......that will one-day have to be repaid!) to artificially manipulate the bloc as a whole: ''The German Constitutional Court has found indications that the ECB’s government bond purchases may violate EU law and has asked the European Court of Justice to make a ruling. The German judges say that ECB bond buys may go beyond the central bank's mandate and inhibit euro zone members' activities. The issue is no doubt delicate: If the ECB is prohibited from buying government bonds (let alone reverse its purchases), all hell may break loose in the euro area: Many government and banks would find it increasingly difficult to roll-over their maturing debt and take on new loans at affordable interest rates. The euro project would immediately find itself in hot water. Without a monetary policy of ultra-low interest rates and bailing out struggling borrowers by printing up new money (or promising to do so, if needed) the euro project would already have gone belly up. So far the ECB has indeed successfully concealed that the pipe dream of successfully creating and running a single fiat currency has failed''. And that's without mentioning the ever-growing social tensions. The 'project' is doomed. As i thought, far too painful for many here to digest. N night. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

04 Sep 17 9.50pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

The EU has been 'funded' by the ECB's continued policy of QE ie PRINTING DEBT (from thin-air......that will one-day have to be repaid!) to artificially manipulate the bloc as a whole:

And that's without mentioning the ever-growing social tensions.
The 'project' is doomed.

As i thought, far too painful for many here to digest.
N night.

Buy Litecoin.

steeleye20 Croydon 04 Sep 17 10.00pm
Originally posted by .TUX. The EU has been 'funded' by the ECB's continued policy of QE ie PRINTING DEBT (from thin-air......that will one-day have to be repaid!) to artificially manipulate the bloc as a whole: ''The German Constitutional Court has found indications that the ECB’s government bond purchases may violate EU law and has asked the European Court of Justice to make a ruling. The German judges say that ECB bond buys may go beyond the central bank's mandate and inhibit euro zone members' activities. The issue is no doubt delicate: If the ECB is prohibited from buying government bonds (let alone reverse its purchases), all hell may break loose in the euro area: Many government and banks would find it increasingly difficult to roll-over their maturing debt and take on new loans at affordable interest rates. The euro project would immediately find itself in hot water. Without a monetary policy of ultra-low interest rates and bailing out struggling borrowers by printing up new money (or promising to do so, if needed) the euro project would already have gone belly up. So far the ECB has indeed successfully concealed that the pipe dream of successfully creating and running a single fiat currency has failed''. And that's without mentioning the ever-growing social tensions. The 'project' is doomed. What you are describing is a financial crisis in the EU no more.

steeleye20

Croydon 04 Sep 17 10.00pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

The EU has been 'funded' by the ECB's continued policy of QE ie PRINTING DEBT (from thin-air......that will one-day have to be repaid!) to artificially manipulate the bloc as a whole:

And that's without mentioning the ever-growing social tensions.
The 'project' is doomed.

What you are describing is a financial crisis in the EU no more.

.TUX. 05 Sep 17 5.35pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 What you are describing is a financial crisis in the EU no more. Phew, and there's me thinking it'd have a major effect on the rest of the planet. In other 'irrelevant' news.......... ''As Jim McCaughan, CEO of Principal Global Investors, told Bloomberg, the European banking system as a whole — and the Italian banking system in particular — has a questionable level of capital and that could lead to problems in the next economic slowdown. “For many banks, prosperity is very dependent on continuity of the economic momentum,” said McCaughan. And continuity of the current reality something that is far from guaranteed, especially given it depends almost entirely on the continued monetary support provided by the European Central Bank, which boasts a negative policy rate and the biggest balance sheet of any central bank on planet Earth. The ECB knows that more banks will collapse, which is why it’s taking preemptive steps now to ensure that the next time an important bank begins to wobble, it can swoop down and freeze its customers’ deposits — insured or not. Unbeknownst to hundreds of millions of European citizens, the ECB is quietly tightening a noose around their savings''. [Link] Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

05 Sep 17 5.35pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

What you are describing is a financial crisis in the EU no more.

Phew, and there's me thinking it'd have a major effect on the rest of the planet.

In other 'irrelevant' news..........

''As Jim McCaughan, CEO of Principal Global Investors, told Bloomberg, the European banking system as a whole — and the Italian banking system in particular — has a questionable level of capital and that could lead to problems in the next economic slowdown. “For many banks, prosperity is very dependent on continuity of the economic momentum,” said McCaughan.

And continuity of the current reality something that is far from guaranteed, especially given it depends almost entirely on the continued monetary support provided by the European Central Bank, which boasts a negative policy rate and the biggest balance sheet of any central bank on planet Earth.

The ECB knows that more banks will collapse, which is why it’s taking preemptive steps now to ensure that the next time an important bank begins to wobble, it can swoop down and freeze its customers’ deposits — insured or not. Unbeknownst to hundreds of millions of European citizens, the ECB is quietly tightening a noose around their savings''.

[Link]

Buy Litecoin.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Sep 17 10.59pm
I don't know whether to laugh or cry... [Tweet Link]

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 05 Sep 17 10.59pm

I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

[Tweet Link]

Stirlingsays 05 Sep 17 11.05pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I don't know whether to laugh or cry... Shouldn't Corbyn be on that too? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

05 Sep 17 11.05pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

Shouldn't Corbyn be on that too?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 06 Sep 17 12.50pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Phew, and there's me thinking it'd have a major effect on the rest of the planet. In other 'irrelevant' news.......... ''As Jim McCaughan, CEO of Principal Global Investors, told Bloomberg, the European banking system as a whole — and the Italian banking system in particular — has a questionable level of capital and that could lead to problems in the next economic slowdown. “For many banks, prosperity is very dependent on continuity of the economic momentum,” said McCaughan. And continuity of the current reality something that is far from guaranteed, especially given it depends almost entirely on the continued monetary support provided by the European Central Bank, which boasts a negative policy rate and the biggest balance sheet of any central bank on planet Earth. The ECB knows that more banks will collapse, which is why it’s taking preemptive steps now to ensure that the next time an important bank begins to wobble, it can swoop down and freeze its customers’ deposits — insured or not. Unbeknownst to hundreds of millions of European citizens, the ECB is quietly tightening a noose around their savings''. [Link] As you can see people are not falling over in surprise at your post neither would we be surprised by a huge financial crash at any moment, indeed it looks like when and not if. Quite see your technical points about the ECB but for Joe Bloggs he knows its going to happen but not where or when.

steeleye20

Croydon 06 Sep 17 12.50pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Phew, and there's me thinking it'd have a major effect on the rest of the planet.

In other 'irrelevant' news..........

[Link]

As you can see people are not falling over in surprise at your post neither would we be surprised by a huge financial crash at any moment, indeed it looks like when and not if.

Quite see your technical points about the ECB but for Joe Bloggs he knows its going to happen but not where or when.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Sep 17 7.31pm
Lots about immigration today... Cable claims May suppressed evidence showing immigration has little effect on wages Sir Vince Cable, the Lib Dem leader, claimed today that Theresa May suppressed up to nine reports when she was home secretary showing that immigration has very little impact on wages. He would know because he served in the coalition cabinet with her, as business secretary. In a statement he said: When I was business secretary there were up to nine studies that we looked at that took in all the academic evidence. It showed that immigration had very little impact on wages or employment. But this was suppressed by the Home Office under Theresa May, because the results were inconvenient. Overwhelmingly it has been the case that overseas workers have been complementary rather than competitive to British workers. The exodus of trades people, NHS staff and tech industry workers shows the potential damage of an extreme Brexit. Meanwhile, May is starting to talk about restricting numbers. The EU (according to Farage on the wireless just now) will respond by stopping a transition period. Wonder how voting will go in parliament on the EU bill.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 06 Sep 17 7.31pm

Lots about immigration today...

Cable claims May suppressed evidence showing immigration has little effect on wages

Sir Vince Cable, the Lib Dem leader, claimed today that Theresa May suppressed up to nine reports when she was home secretary showing that immigration has very little impact on wages. He would know because he served in the coalition cabinet with her, as business secretary.

In a statement he said:

When I was business secretary there were up to nine studies that we looked at that took in all the academic evidence.

It showed that immigration had very little impact on wages or employment. But this was suppressed by the Home Office under Theresa May, because the results were inconvenient.

Overwhelmingly it has been the case that overseas workers have been complementary rather than competitive to British workers.

The exodus of trades people, NHS staff and tech industry workers shows the potential damage of an extreme Brexit.

Meanwhile, May is starting to talk about restricting numbers. The EU (according to Farage on the wireless just now) will respond by stopping a transition period.

Wonder how voting will go in parliament on the EU bill.

Stirlingsays 06 Sep 17 8.08pm
Cable is disingenuous. Isn't this also a bit unethical? He was in a government. How much wages affect people depends upon how diverse you make the sample. Lies, damn lies and statistics. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

06 Sep 17 8.08pm

Cable is disingenuous.

Isn't this also a bit unethical? He was in a government.

How much wages affect people depends upon how diverse you make the sample.

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Sep 17 8.16pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Lots about immigration today... Cable claims May suppressed evidence showing immigration has little effect on wages Sir Vince Cable, the Lib Dem leader, claimed today that Theresa May suppressed up to nine reports when she was home secretary showing that immigration has very little impact on wages. He would know because he served in the coalition cabinet with her, as business secretary. In a statement he said: When I was business secretary there were up to nine studies that we looked at that took in all the academic evidence. It showed that immigration had very little impact on wages or employment. But this was suppressed by the Home Office under Theresa May, because the results were inconvenient. Overwhelmingly it has been the case that overseas workers have been complementary rather than competitive to British workers. The exodus of trades people, NHS staff and tech industry workers shows the potential damage of an extreme Brexit. Meanwhile, May is starting to talk about restricting numbers. The EU (according to Farage on the wireless just now) will respond by stopping a transition period. Wonder how voting will go in parliament on the EU bill. Nick, I dare you to take this idea that immigration doesn't suppress wages round to building sites across the south east, delivery drivers, taxi drivers, and well, pretty much any non PAYE job that requires investment in youth to train people up to a hireable level and see what response you get. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 06 Sep 17 8.16pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Lots about immigration today...

Cable claims May suppressed evidence showing immigration has little effect on wages

In a statement he said:

When I was business secretary there were up to nine studies that we looked at that took in all the academic evidence.

It showed that immigration had very little impact on wages or employment. But this was suppressed by the Home Office under Theresa May, because the results were inconvenient.

Overwhelmingly it has been the case that overseas workers have been complementary rather than competitive to British workers.

The exodus of trades people, NHS staff and tech industry workers shows the potential damage of an extreme Brexit.

Meanwhile, May is starting to talk about restricting numbers. The EU (according to Farage on the wireless just now) will respond by stopping a transition period.

Wonder how voting will go in parliament on the EU bill.

Nick, I dare you to take this idea that immigration doesn't suppress wages round to building sites across the south east, delivery drivers, taxi drivers, and well, pretty much any non PAYE job that requires investment in youth to train people up to a hireable level and see what response you get.

COYP

chris123 hove actually 06 Sep 17 8.31pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Cable is disingenuous. Isn't this also a bit unethical? He was in a government. How much wages affect people depends upon how diverse you make the sample. Lies, damn lies and statistics. And surprised it didn't leak.

chris123

hove actually 06 Sep 17 8.31pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Cable is disingenuous.

Isn't this also a bit unethical? He was in a government.

How much wages affect people depends upon how diverse you make the sample.

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

And surprised it didn't leak.

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