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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 12.11pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Football players - experts on politics and paragons of virtue. Well worth a discussion with.

Some might be, some not.

Not the point though. The suggestion was that they are doing this because they have been told to.

Try asking them if that's true.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 12.19pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Likewise. And this is what you do when you’re in a corner with nowhere to go.

Wtf does that mean? The whole knee taking thing was used in a distasteful way. That’s a lot of why it isn’t wanted now. Unfortunately respect in some young people has been like this for years. One way. And wanting respect when it isn’t deserved, but that’s another related topic. You live hundreds of miles away from it so you’d have no idea.

You then think everyone should lap it up. Again, F1 drivers refused to do it and rugby players aren’t doing it either. AJ in boxing isn’t doing it because it doesn’t achieve anything worthwhile and I’m struggling who else is doing it now apart from English football and Lewis Hamilton.

That's the point! People can decide for themselves.

If people booed you if you decided not to join in then they too would be showing disrespect.

The players are making what they believe to be a sincere gesture. Don't interfere with that. It's not your party. It's run by the clubs and the FA and if you disrespect the players when they have asked you not to then you risk your invitation being withdrawn.

It has nothing to do with where either of us live. It only has to do with where it happens.

Whether or not you agree with the footballers, Lewis Hamilton or the rugby players is all irrelevant. Respect needs to be shown to them all.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Dec 20 12.20pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Some might be, some not.

Not the point though. The suggestion was that they are doing this because they have been told to.

Try asking them if that's true.

I won't be seeking truths from some of the most greedy people on Earth, that's for sure. I'm pretty sick of footballers already, taking a knee and being so earnest about it is just shouting hypocrisy at me. However, some may have been instructed, some will be the instructors. Others will merely follow. That's life really. Can hardly expect them all to care that much.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Dec 20 12.26pm

Weird reasoning.

A person who does what he is told then is then expected to say when questioned that he's not that keen.....and if he doesn't that's some kind of proof.

Football is fine with the discrimination that it approves of....as in over representation of non whites. Yet apparently it has something to say on discrimination....and its supporters better shut up and live with the politics or be banned.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2020 12.28pm)

 


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DanH Flag SW2 13 Dec 20 1.14pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Weird reasoning.

A person who does what he is told then is then expected to say when questioned that he's not that keen.....and if he doesn't that's some kind of proof.

Football is fine with the discrimination that it approves of....as in over representation of non whites. Yet apparently it has something to say on discrimination....and its supporters better shut up and live with the politics or be banned.

Belting starting a post with ‘weird reasoning’ and then excreting the rest of that afterwards. Unpleasant little man aren’t you.


Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2020 12.28pm)

 

Stirlingsays Flag 13 Dec 20 1.17pm

Mmmm...has Dan lost the ability to post properly?....seems to be contagious amongst some on the Hol left.

Anyway ad hominem isn't an argument.

Regardless, I feel that rather than returning in kind I feel that my response to being poorly thought of by Dan is better expressed through the interpretation of dance.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2020 1.40pm)

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 13 Dec 20 1.27pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So what? What I said is what I meant. It's nothing to do with someone registering "BLM" as the name of a political party.

It is how the term BLM is regarded by the general public. Right now only a few connect it with a political movement. Only those who are obsessed about left-wing US politics know about them. If that changes then I expect that football too would change.

You said
If the term "BLM" becomes indelibly associated with politics in the minds of the general public, rather than the minority who choose to see it that way as at present, then I have little doubt it would be dropped pretty quickly. No-one in football would want to be associated with anything political. Not on an official level anyway.

If they become a political party it won’t matter what the public perception is will it?

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 13 Dec 20 1.40pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's the point! People can decide for themselves.

If people booed you if you decided not to join in then they too would be showing disrespect.

The players are making what they believe to be a sincere gesture. Don't interfere with that. It's not your party. It's run by the clubs and the FA and if you disrespect the players when they have asked you not to then you risk your invitation being withdrawn.

It has nothing to do with where either of us live. It only has to do with where it happens.

Whether or not you agree with the footballers, Lewis Hamilton or the rugby players is all irrelevant. Respect needs to be shown to them all.

Let’s wait for the next display and see how much respect you show no matter how sincere they are.
52% of footballers demonstrating their support for Brexit?
Supporters are not being allowed in by an indulgent club; they are paying to be there or to watch on television.

 

dannyboy1978 Flag 13 Dec 20 1.57pm

I wonderer what would happen if a player took his shirt of to display a BLM t-shirt after scoring?

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 13 Dec 20 2.04pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I wonderer what would happen if a player took his shirt of to display a BLM t-shirt after scoring?

He’d get booked for the same reason they always do - not displaying the sponsor’s logo.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Dec 20 2.18pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

You said
If the term "BLM" becomes indelibly associated with politics in the minds of the general public, rather than the minority who choose to see it that way as at present, then I have little doubt it would be dropped pretty quickly. No-one in football would want to be associated with anything political. Not on an official level anyway.

If they become a political party it won’t matter what the public perception is will it?

It is already, isn't it?

Footballers taking a knee might be doing so for genuine reasons but the bigger picture is that the anti racist agenda has been hijacked by corporations including the media and politicians for gain. One would have to question why we even need this anti racism agenda in the first place. Interracial relations has its own dynamic. It cannot be positively changed artificially, and any attempt to do so is likely to have the opposite effect.
It is also really offensive the narrative is that racism is a White problem. Racism is universal where it exists at all and you certainly won't win any sympathy from me by playing the race card or appealing to some sort of strange generational guilt that I am supposed to feel.
I am to too busy worrying about the plight of my kin in a country where my heritage is increasingly seen as poisonous and peoples that have been here 5 minutes get positive discrimination because they constantly fail to succeed when others have few problems doing so, despite the same disadvantage of being a minority.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Dec 20 2.33pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Let’s wait for the next display and see how much respect you show no matter how sincere they are.
52% of footballers demonstrating their support for Brexit?
Supporters are not being allowed in by an indulgent club; they are paying to be there or to watch on television.

He’s also said we’re there just to provide the noise and backdrop for overseas viewers. He really does treat normal people in this country with contempt, wrapped up in his wish for more globalisation.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Dec 20 2.59pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

He’s also said we’re there just to provide the noise and backdrop for overseas viewers. He really does treat normal people in this country with contempt, wrapped up in his wish for more globalisation.

All from the open and diverse Cornwall.

 


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Mr Fenandes Flag 13 Dec 20 3.25pm

75 pages of moaning about BLM; kind of comforting to know that nothing has changed on HOL!

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 13 Dec 20 3.48pm

Originally posted by Mr Fenandes

75 pages of moaning about BLM; kind of comforting to know that nothing has changed on HOL!

How do you mean?

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Dec 20 3.54pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

How do you mean?

People who don't support BLM are racist old white people who are an inch away from being a Nazi.Thought everyone knew that.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 13 Dec 20 4.20pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

People who don't support BLM are racist old white people who are an inch away from being a Nazi.Thought everyone knew that.

Indeed. Those Nazis with their booing and their lack of respect.

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 13 Dec 20 4.49pm

Ironic the the swastika was originally a symbol of peace. BLM may have been until they trashed the wedding

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 5.54pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

You said
If the term "BLM" becomes indelibly associated with politics in the minds of the general public, rather than the minority who choose to see it that way as at present, then I have little doubt it would be dropped pretty quickly. No-one in football would want to be associated with anything political. Not on an official level anyway.

If they become a political party it won’t matter what the public perception is will it?

I don't know whether you are deliberating missing the point or just don't get it but this was covered in the first few pages of this thread. It's pretty sad that by page 75 the same thing is being said.

If they become a political party it would only matter if the general public either noticed or cared. All the time that the public perception of the term "black lives matter" is that is a sentiment that they support then the political movement is irrelevant.

At Selhurst today there was a huge display in the old stand with those words in full view. Do you really think our club was endorsing a left-wing American political movement? Or were they just making a simple statement?

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 6.00pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is already, isn't it?

Footballers taking a knee might be doing so for genuine reasons but the bigger picture is that the anti racist agenda has been hijacked by corporations including the media and politicians for gain. One would have to question why we even need this anti racism agenda in the first place. Interracial relations has its own dynamic. It cannot be positively changed artificially, and any attempt to do so is likely to have the opposite effect.
It is also really offensive the narrative is that racism is a White problem. Racism is universal where it exists at all and you certainly won't win any sympathy from me by playing the race card or appealing to some sort of strange generational guilt that I am supposed to feel.
I am to too busy worrying about the plight of my kin in a country where my heritage is increasingly seen as poisonous and peoples that have been here 5 minutes get positive discrimination because they constantly fail to succeed when others have few problems doing so, despite the same disadvantage of being a minority.

That's progress!

As the ONLY thing at issue here is what happens when the football players take the knee what anyone else does and why is an unconnected issue.

This isn't about racism. This is about booing players. Trying to connect the two to try to justify the booing as a consequence is shameful.

 


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