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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 06 Sep 17 8.34pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Nick, I dare you to take this idea that immigration doesn't suppress wages round to building sites across the south east, delivery drivers, taxi drivers, and well, pretty much any non PAYE job that requires investment in youth to train people up to a hireable level and see what response you get. Wages are being driven down in all sectors. The daily rate for supply teachers has dropped by thirty or forty quid a day. Immigration isn't responsible for this. Where there are sectors where immigrants are undercutting wages, is it not common for these jobs to be advertised abroad. That's down to bosses trying to squeeze as much profit as possible. That's conservative Britain for you. Squeeze the f*** out of workers to make more profit and find something to blame for it other than what it really is.
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 elgrande bedford 06 Sep 17 8.41pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Wages are being driven down in all sectors. The daily rate for supply teachers has dropped by thirty or forty quid a day. Immigration isn't responsible for this. Where there are sectors where immigrants are undercutting wages, is it not common for these jobs to be advertised abroad. That's down to bosses trying to squeeze as much profit as possible. That's conservative Britain for you. Squeeze the f*** out of workers to make more profit and find something to blame for it other than what it really is. Nick I have saidb it before and I will repeat it.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Sep 17 8.42pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Wages are being driven down in all sectors. The daily rate for supply teachers has dropped by thirty or forty quid a day. Immigration isn't responsible for this. Where there are sectors where immigrants are undercutting wages, is it not common for these jobs to be advertised abroad. That's down to bosses trying to squeeze as much profit as possible. That's conservative Britain for you. Squeeze the f*** out of workers to make more profit and find something to blame for it other than what it really is. Clearly immigrants willing to work for low wages drives down wages. Clearly having hundreds of thousands of immigrant each years deepens the housing crisis. Clearly such immigration strains education, health and other services. Clearly such levels of immigration cause community tensions. It is simply nonsense to pretend otherwise.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Sep 17 8.42pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Wages are being driven down in all sectors. The daily rate for supply teachers has dropped by thirty or forty quid a day. Immigration isn't responsible for this. Where there are sectors where immigrants are undercutting wages, is it not common for these jobs to be advertised abroad. That's down to bosses trying to squeeze as much profit as possible. That's conservative Britain for you. Squeeze the f*** out of workers to make more profit and find something to blame for it other than what it really is. The supply teacher wages are government policy related. The failure to incentivise and base taxes around encouraging apprenticeships and training mean the immigrants are needed. The problem is twofold or threefold. Employers, government, immigrants. Pick whichever order, doesn't really matter. The constant import of cheaper labour will just feed the cycle. Then after earning less, they face the housing problem. Again, housing suppliers, government, immigrants. I don't blame anybody in particular or any group. All take some blame, all care about the short term. Edited by Rudi Hedman (06 Sep 2017 8.46pm)
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| elgrande bedford 06 Sep 17 8.42pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Wages are being driven down in all sectors. The daily rate for supply teachers has dropped by thirty or forty quid a day. Immigration isn't responsible for this. Where there are sectors where immigrants are undercutting wages, is it not common for these jobs to be advertised abroad. That's down to bosses trying to squeeze as much profit as possible. That's conservative Britain for you. Squeeze the f*** out of workers to make more profit and find something to blame for it other than what it really is. Conservative way...its your f***ing lot that started the f***ing mess by opening the doors ffs
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Kermit8  Hevon 06 Sep 17 8.50pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Conservative way...its your f***ing lot that started the f***ing mess by opening the doors ffs When all the treaties and agreements were signed 1980's and 1990's in order for the doors to be opened down the line it was The Tory Party that was in power and it was them who signed up to it. Labour just happened to be in power when it came to fruition.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 06 Sep 17 8.52pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Wages are being driven down in all sectors. The daily rate for supply teachers has dropped by thirty or forty quid a day. Immigration isn't responsible for this. Where there are sectors where immigrants are undercutting wages, is it not common for these jobs to be advertised abroad. That's down to bosses trying to squeeze as much profit as possible. That's conservative Britain for you. Squeeze the f*** out of workers to make more profit and find something to blame for it other than what it really is. That amounts to the same thing. Only a total moron can't see that a bigger available work force has to stagnate wages Not that I'm suggesting that you are a moron.
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| elgrande bedford 06 Sep 17 8.52pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
When all the treaties and agreements were signed 1980's and 1990's in order for the doors to be opened down the line it was The Tory Party that was in power and it was them who signed up to it. Labour just happened to be in power when it came to fruition. Erm,did they not have a choice to delay the eastern European influx.....
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| Kermit8 Hevon 06 Sep 17 8.56pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Erm,did they not have a choice to delay the eastern European influx..... No.
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| matt_himself Matataland 06 Sep 17 9.19pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
No. Wrong!
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| elgrande bedford 06 Sep 17 9.25pm |
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Thank you Matt,I thought I was correct.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 06 Sep 17 9.32pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Thank you Matt,I thought I was correct. Fair dos. You were. But it still would have happened anyway a few years later as that could not be avoided going back to what was signed up to by them pesky Tories.
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| matt_himself Matataland 06 Sep 17 9.41pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Fair dos. You were. But it still would have happened anyway a few years later as that could not be avoided going back to what was signed up to by them pesky Tories. Were the Tories in power in 2004? The Citizens Rights Directive 2004/38/EC governs freedom of movement in the EU.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| Kermit8 Hevon 06 Sep 17 9.45pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Were the Tories in power in 2004? The Citizens Rights Directive 2004/38/EC governs freedom of movement in the EU. That was just an amendment to existing legislation. Freedom of movement was already here.
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| matt_himself Matataland 06 Sep 17 9.52pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
That was just an amendment to existing legislation. Freedom of movement was already here. No it wasn't. Read up on it.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 06 Sep 17 9.57pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
No it wasn't. Read up on it. Something you should perhaps do. It clearly states it is an amendment.
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| matt_himself Matataland 07 Sep 17 5.39am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Something you should perhaps do. It clearly states it is an amendment. It's a directive. Here's an explanation: It clearly states it is a directive replacing 'piecemeal' legislation dating back to the 1970's but it is a new EU directive, not an 'amendment'. If it was an 'amendment' it would state that it is an 'amendment to a directive'. Edited by matt_himself (07 Sep 2017 7.16am)
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| .TUX. 07 Sep 17 6.22pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
As you can see people are not falling over in surprise at your post neither would we be surprised by a huge financial crash at any moment, indeed it looks like when and not if. Quite see your technical points about the ECB but for Joe Bloggs he knows its going to happen but not where or when.
I (happily) disagree.
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