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 Stirlingsays  12 Sep 17 8.10am |
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Originally posted by Rubin
Found within this article is a Bank of England report from 2015 that found that mass immigration has lowered wages. It's simple supply and demand. More competition for jobs, wages go down. I'm not partisan in the slightest, but it's funny how the Labour stance on Brexit effectively goes against the interests of the 'working class'. How times change. Edited by Rubin (06 Sep 2017 11.10pm) Yep. Most of the elite who run Labour aren't working class and are a long way removed from blue collar attitudes. They are far more interested in internationalism than British 'white van man or woman'. They are just as morally arrogant and sanctimonious as any Tory toff is entitled.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Sep 17 8.23am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep. Most of the elite who run Labour aren't working class and are a long way removed from blue collar attitudes. They are far more interested in internationalism than British 'white van man or woman'. They are just as morally arrogant and sanctimonious as any Tory toff is entitled. Yes, agree entirely. I was active at a branch level of the Labour Party many years ago in Croydon - you could see the rot setting in then. On the one hand you had older, often trade union, working people. On the other, university educated, upwardly mobile or middle class, right on, crypto-communists. The latter dismissed the former as racist, reactionary, ignoramuses. The former considered the latter w**k**s*. Edited by hedgehog50 (12 Sep 2017 8.24am)
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| Stirlingsays 12 Sep 17 8.39am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Yes, agree entirely. I was active at a branch level of the Labour Party many years ago in Croydon - you could see the rot setting in then. On the one hand you had older, often trade union, working people. On the other, university educated, upwardly mobile or middle class, right on, crypto-communists. The latter dismissed the former as racist, reactionary, ignoramuses. The former considered the latter w**k**s*. Edited by hedgehog50 (12 Sep 2017 8.24am) As a young man I supported Kinnock's Labour......Man oh man...that's changed now. A lot of the working class don't really have much in the way of choices that actually give a damn about them.
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europalace  Europe 12 Sep 17 9.39am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
On the one hand you had older, often trade union, working people. On the other, university educated, upwardly mobile or middle class, right on, crypto-communists. The latter dismissed the former as racist, reactionary, ignoramuses. The former considered the latter w**k**s*. Edited by hedgehog50 (12 Sep 2017 8.24am) so which 'hand' were you part of, racists/ignoramuses or w**k**s*? Edited by europalace (12 Sep 2017 9.40am)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Sep 17 10.04am |
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Originally posted by europalace
so which 'hand' were you part of, racists/ignoramuses or w**k**s*? Edited by europalace (12 Sep 2017 9.40am) At the time I was upwardly mobile I guess and actively involved in my trade union branch.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Sep 17 7.30pm |
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Worrying for ports if we don't get anything sorted.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Sep 17 8.41pm |
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Oh no! End of the world! (Again).
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| snytaxx London 12 Sep 17 9.44pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Oh no! End of the world! (Again). You have to remember, the country HAS to 'self destruct', many of our politician's depend on it! Hopefully the pillars of society will dissolve fairly soon or we might have to face up to a truly painful realisation that many of our established politicians might over over-exagerated to negative effects of Brexit for their own personal gain. *begins to sob uncontrollably*
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 13 Sep 17 1.22am |
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Just gets better by the day.
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Even an MP that makes Gusset look like a 'Cund' votes against Corbyn.| DanH SW2 13 Sep 17 12.07pm |
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Genuine question; are all you Brexiteers genuinely happy with how things seem to be going currently?
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| npn Crowborough 13 Sep 17 12.19pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Genuine question; are all you Brexiteers genuinely happy with how things seem to be going currently? I wasn't a brexiteer, but the longer this childish threatening/bullying goes on, the more in favour of just terminating the talks and walking away I am. It will be very painful, but you can't negotiate with some people (particularly those who try to hold you to ransom by refusing to discuss any of the multiple points that need discussion until you agree to their demands on something else) and it just seems a waste of everyone's time
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| Part Time James 13 Sep 17 12.21pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Genuine question; are all you Brexiteers genuinely happy with how things seem to be going currently? It was always going to be like this. So on that basis yeah. I wasn't really expecting those knob head eurocrats to go "take what you like Britain, and God bless you all".
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Kermit8  Hevon 13 Sep 17 12.41pm |
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Originally posted by npn
I wasn't a brexiteer, but the longer this childish threatening/bullying goes on, the more in favour of just terminating the talks and walking away I am. It will be very painful, but you can't negotiate with some people (particularly those who try to hold you to ransom by refusing to discuss any of the multiple points that need discussion until you agree to their demands on something else) and it just seems a waste of everyone's time tbf the three things the EU want sorted first are very reasonable. The Irish border question; the status of Brits abroad and EU citizens here and whether we are going to pay, and how much, what we signed a contract to until 2020? They are taking a right approach imo and we are fudging. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2017 12.42pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Sep 17 12.47pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Labours 'abject failure' over Brexit: "The reason that this is so damaging is that Labour has been exposed as completely opportunist and untrustworthy on the biggest issue facing the country. Corbyn put party interest before national interest, and has been found out" Bum gravy
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 13 Sep 17 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Bum gravy Yeah, Labour's stance on Brexit is crystal clear and the party are completely unified on the approach.
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| npn Crowborough 13 Sep 17 1.24pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
tbf the three things the EU want sorted first are very reasonable. The Irish border question; the status of Brits abroad and EU citizens here and whether we are going to pay, and how much, what we signed a contract to until 2020? They are taking a right approach imo and we are fudging. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2017 12.42pm) The Irish border they now appear to be saying is our problem, i.e. "you propose a solution, we'll tell you it's inadequate" Citizens' status the UK tried to bottom out even before Article 50, but were spurned The money side, I think we've always said "we'll pay what we owe" but it seems they want "you'll pay what we tell you to pay" with no indicator of where the figures came from. Seems about as far from reasonable as you could get
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Sep 17 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by npn
The Irish border they now appear to be saying is our problem, i.e. "you propose a solution, we'll tell you it's inadequate" Citizens' status the UK tried to bottom out even before Article 50, but were spurned I think its more we will pay what we think we owe, and they're saying no you'll pay what we think you owe. Of course periodically, plenty of Brexiters have been varied on what that figure is, or whether we should even pay anything. Both sides have different priorities and agendas, and probably all c**ts (being politicians).
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Sep 17 2.44pm |
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In fairness, I don't think anyone really knows what they're doing, what they'll settle for or what the consequences will be. Because there isn't really any models to make predictions on.
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