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  Hrolf The Ganger  26 Apr 17 4.25pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
That hasn't been true for a long time still stuck in the past with your prejudices.
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Kermit8  Hevon 26 Apr 17 4.36pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
I don't think you realise how many working class people do vote Tory and have done certainly since the late 70s. Nothing wrong with being aspirational, it is the contempt shown for people that want to get on that is one of Labour's great undoings. It's not about trying to change our "class" (I am working class), it is about improving our lot. Blair got that and largely addressed it but since then, back to normal.
If I could go back and do my post again I would have put 'faux' rather than 'aspiring' as that is what i really meant - nothing wrong with improving your lot as you say - and didn't mention working class Tories as I was trying to describe Willo and his ilk
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Apr 17 4.47pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
It is absolutely imperative that we have certainty and stability through Brexit negotiations and beyond. Nonsense, what I want is policies, statements of commitment and manifesto pledges. I could care less about the alleged personality traits and why the UK is better if 'x' is in charge. Also, I want to hear from my local candidates who've been suspiciously quiet and done f**k all (except the Greens who at least seem to be making an effort to campaign). Anyone who is voting based on who they think might make a better, stronger stable leader is missing the entire point of elections. Policy not personality.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Apr 17 4.51pm |
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They break our legs and we say thank you when they give us crutches.
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 26 Apr 17 4.52pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Where do you get the idea that Labour show contempt for aspiration? Complete bollocks. I would have said for one, Kermit's post but to be fair he has come back and expanded on his original post. Also we have this little gem
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| steeleye20 Croydon 26 Apr 17 4.55pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
opinion poll yawn...........
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 26 Apr 17 4.55pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Interesting to see that it seems ex pats won't get a vote this time. On the surface it seems strange because they are mainly Tory voters, however I think that Tories are worried about getting a bloody nose from ex pat remainers. Never understood why expats get the vote. Seems an odd concept. I am not sure who they would vote for if not Tories? UKIP seem to be in free fall, certainly at the moment and unfortunately Tim Farron is like a wet lettuce.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Apr 17 5.01pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Nonsense, what I want is policies, statements of commitment and manifesto pledges. I could care less about the alleged personality traits and why the UK is better if 'x' is in charge. Also, I want to hear from my local candidates who've been suspiciously quiet and done f**k all (except the Greens who at least seem to be making an effort to campaign). Anyone who is voting based on who they think might make a better, stronger stable leader is missing the entire point of elections. Policy not personality. In terms of the Brexit negotiation...which is why this election is even taking place.. I'd say personality does play a part. If you are willing to walk away....which Labour have pretty much ruled out then the chances of actually cutting a reasonable deal become higher. Labour's policy on Brexit is to essentially lie to the population....no freedom of movement but the single market and customs union.....In other words, they would move on freedom of movement citing 'jobs' and so on. Essentially liars. You don't win at poker by always playing safe....and we are essentially entering a time period very much like that. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Apr 2017 5.02pm)
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Apr 17 5.04pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
opinion poll yawn........... Well dismissing evidence is normal when it contradicts your position.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Apr 17 5.04pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Never understood why expats get the vote. Seems an odd concept. I am not sure who they would vote for if not Tories? UKIP seem to be in free fall, certainly at the moment and unfortunately Tim Farron is like a wet lettuce. I agree, expats should lose the vote. If you trade in this country for another....outside of exceptions like medical reasons....then this country should also trade you in.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 26 Apr 17 5.04pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
It is absolutely imperative that we have certainty and stability through Brexit negotiations and beyond. You are right but May using "strong and stable" every other sentence is pretty poor. I know that manifestos have not been released finished yet but she needs to have more than one tune.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Apr 17 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
In terms of the Brexit negotiation...which is why this election is even taking place.. I'd say personality does play a part. If you are willing to walk away....which Labour have pretty much ruled out then the chances of actually cutting a reasonable deal become higher. Labour's policy on Brexit is to essentially lie to the population....no freedom of movement but the single market and customs union.....In other words, they would move on freedom of movement citing 'jobs' and so on. Essentially liars. You don't win at poker by always playing safe....and we are essentially entering a time period very much like that. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Apr 2017 5.02pm) Of course the Conservative lie is that we 'can just walk away'. No one actually believes they will, or can, without creating all manner of economic consequences. The truth is probably somewhere in between, that we'll actually have to make some deals that aren't in our favour, to get what we want. Truth is, no one wants to tie themselves to policies about how the UK will progress after we leave the EU. Just in case they have to live up to them. I don't really care about the deal, I want to know what kind of UK they want to forge outside of Europe. Because there was no point in leaving the EU if we're just going to become a corporate lapdog which is the issue I had with the EU to begin with.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Apr 17 5.13pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
You are right but May using "strong and stable" every other sentence is pretty poor. I know that manifestos have not been released finished yet but she needs to have more than one tune. So strong and stable that two complete outsiders that no one considered the next Tory Leader ended up in a head to head contest. One of whom most of the public had no idea who she was. Yeah, the Conservatives have a good reputation on being stable and strong when it comes to Europe... So much so, that they lost their last prime minister over it.
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
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| steeleye20 Croydon 26 Apr 17 5.19pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
So strong and stable that two complete outsiders that no one considered the next Tory Leader ended up in a head to head contest. One of whom most of the public had no idea who she was. Yeah, the Conservatives have a good reputation on being stable and strong when it comes to Europe... So much so, that they lost their last prime minister over it. Surely Europe is the grave-yard of all tory prime ministers. Mrs May headstone being engraved now. They are lemmings over a cliff.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 26 Apr 17 5.23pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
You are right but May using "strong and stable" every other sentence is pretty poor. I know that manifestos have not been released finished yet but she needs to have more than one tune. Quite right, but Lyndon Crosby probably won't let her. Edited by Mr_Gristle (26 Apr 2017 5.24pm)
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 26 Apr 17 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
So strong and stable that two complete outsiders that no one considered the next Tory Leader ended up in a head to head contest. One of whom most of the public had no idea who she was. Yeah, the Conservatives have a good reputation on being stable and strong when it comes to Europe... So much so, that they lost their last prime minister over it. I disagree, May has been touted for years as a future Tory Leader. Obviously Cameron going was not planned but he was going at the no of this term anyway. People, if the polls are to be believed, seem to like May. I don't know if that is because Corbyn is seen as poor or on her own merit. As for Europe, you have a point but Labour have similar problems too, the only party who have not had internal battles over Europe are th LibDems.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Apr 17 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Of course the Conservative lie is that we 'can just walk away'. No one actually believes they will, or can, without creating all manner of economic consequences. The truth is probably somewhere in between, that we'll actually have to make some deals that aren't in our favour, to get what we want. Truth is, no one wants to tie themselves to policies about how the UK will progress after we leave the EU. Just in case they have to live up to them. I don't really care about the deal, I want to know what kind of UK they want to forge outside of Europe. Because there was no point in leaving the EU if we're just going to become a corporate lapdog which is the issue I had with the EU to begin with. Well said.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Apr 17 5.32pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Surely Europe is the grave-yard of all tory prime ministers. Mrs May headstone being engraved now. They are lemmings over a cliff.
That is a myth.
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