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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 6.02pm
Originally posted by cryrst Ironic the the swastika was originally a symbol of peace. BLM may have been until they trashed the wedding Why are you talking about the political movement that shares the BLM name? They are not involved in this. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 6.02pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Ironic the the swastika was originally a symbol of peace. BLM may have been until they trashed the wedding

Why are you talking about the political movement that shares the BLM name?

They are not involved in this.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Stirlingsays 13 Dec 20 6.05pm
It's meant to be a free country....but with these puritanical snowflakes in charge it no longer is. However, if someone wants to buy a ticket and boo politics in football that they don't agree with they won't receive any criticism from me. Clap, boo, you paid a ticket, it should be your right. The authoritarians will be authoritarians. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2020 6.06pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Dec 20 6.05pm

It's meant to be a free country....but with these puritanical snowflakes in charge it no longer is.

However, if someone wants to buy a ticket and boo politics in football that they don't agree with they won't receive any criticism from me.

Clap, boo, you paid a ticket, it should be your right.

The authoritarians will be authoritarians.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2020 6.06pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 6.08pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman He’s also said we’re there just to provide the noise and backdrop for overseas viewers. He really does treat normal people in this country with contempt, wrapped up in his wish for more globalisation. It's not my wish that that be true but it is the commercial reality of the Premier League. Do you seriously think the money it generates comes mostly from the UK, let alone from ticket sales? Like it or not this is a global business and is managed that way. Get real! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 6.08pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

He’s also said we’re there just to provide the noise and backdrop for overseas viewers. He really does treat normal people in this country with contempt, wrapped up in his wish for more globalisation.

It's not my wish that that be true but it is the commercial reality of the Premier League. Do you seriously think the money it generates comes mostly from the UK, let alone from ticket sales?

Like it or not this is a global business and is managed that way. Get real!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 6.16pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's meant to be a free country....but with these puritanical snowflakes in charge it no longer is. However, if someone wants to buy a ticket and boo politics in football that they don't agree with they won't receive any criticism from me. Clap, boo, you paid a ticket, it should be your right. The authoritarians will be authoritarians. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2020 6.06pm) That's arrogant bs. You can boo all you like at home in front of the TV. There you have rights. If you buy a ticket to attend a ground, owned by someone else, then you enter into a contract to abide by their rules. It's their home and castle and not yours. It's not the public square. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Dec 2020 6.17pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 6.16pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's meant to be a free country....but with these puritanical snowflakes in charge it no longer is.

However, if someone wants to buy a ticket and boo politics in football that they don't agree with they won't receive any criticism from me.

Clap, boo, you paid a ticket, it should be your right.

The authoritarians will be authoritarians.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2020 6.06pm)

That's arrogant bs. You can boo all you like at home in front of the TV. There you have rights.

If you buy a ticket to attend a ground, owned by someone else, then you enter into a contract to abide by their rules. It's their home and castle and not yours. It's not the public square.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Dec 2020 6.17pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Badger11 Beckenham 13 Dec 20 6.21pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That's arrogant bs. You can boo all you like at home in front of the TV. There you have rights. If you buy a ticket to attend a ground, owned by someone else, then you enter into a contract to abide by their rules. It's their home and castle and not yours. It's not the public square. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Dec 2020 6.17pm) Good grief maybe you would like Leni Riefenstahl to organise the pre match entertainment. If I don't like what I see I am entitled to voice my displeasure whether it's the opera or a football match. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 13 Dec 20 6.21pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's arrogant bs. You can boo all you like at home in front of the TV. There you have rights.

If you buy a ticket to attend a ground, owned by someone else, then you enter into a contract to abide by their rules. It's their home and castle and not yours. It's not the public square.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Dec 2020 6.17pm)

Good grief maybe you would like Leni Riefenstahl to organise the pre match entertainment.

If I don't like what I see I am entitled to voice my displeasure whether it's the opera or a football match.

One more point

dreamwaverider London 13 Dec 20 6.22pm
Love the way Benteke forgot it today. Needs winding up. So passee

dreamwaverider

London 13 Dec 20 6.22pm

Love the way Benteke forgot it today. Needs winding up. So passee

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 6.29pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Weird reasoning. A person who does what he is told then is then expected to say when questioned that he's not that keen.....and if he doesn't that's some kind of proof. Football is fine with the discrimination that it approves of....as in over representation of non whites. Yet apparently it has something to say on discrimination....and its supporters better shut up and live with the politics or be banned. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2020 12.28pm) Now that truly is seriously weird reasoning! Are you really suggesting that any "over-representation of "non-whites"" in football is a result of discrimination? Are you seriously suggesting that "non-whites" are not being chosen simply on merit and because they are making themselves get noticed? Is the solution positive discrimination in favour of "whites"? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 6.29pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Weird reasoning.

A person who does what he is told then is then expected to say when questioned that he's not that keen.....and if he doesn't that's some kind of proof.

Football is fine with the discrimination that it approves of....as in over representation of non whites. Yet apparently it has something to say on discrimination....and its supporters better shut up and live with the politics or be banned.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2020 12.28pm)

Now that truly is seriously weird reasoning!

Are you really suggesting that any "over-representation of "non-whites"" in football is a result of discrimination?

Are you seriously suggesting that "non-whites" are not being chosen simply on merit and because they are making themselves get noticed?

Is the solution positive discrimination in favour of "whites"?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 13 Dec 20 7.07pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don't know whether you are deliberating missing the point or just don't get it but this was covered in the first few pages of this thread. It's pretty sad that by page 75 the same thing is being said. If they become a political party it would only matter if the general public either noticed or cared. All the time that the public perception of the term "black lives matter" is that is a sentiment that they support then the political movement is irrelevant. At Selhurst today there was a huge display in the old stand with those words in full view. Do you really think our club was endorsing a left-wing American political movement? Or were they just making a simple statement? Right. So when FIFA rule 4 says “the basic compulsory equipment must not have any political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images… The team of a player whose basic equipment has political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images will be sanctioned by the competition organiser or by FIFA.” They decide each case according to public perception do they?

Teddy Eagle

13 Dec 20 7.07pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't know whether you are deliberating missing the point or just don't get it but this was covered in the first few pages of this thread. It's pretty sad that by page 75 the same thing is being said.

If they become a political party it would only matter if the general public either noticed or cared. All the time that the public perception of the term "black lives matter" is that is a sentiment that they support then the political movement is irrelevant.

At Selhurst today there was a huge display in the old stand with those words in full view. Do you really think our club was endorsing a left-wing American political movement? Or were they just making a simple statement?

Right. So when FIFA rule 4 says
“the basic compulsory equipment must not have any political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images… The team of a player whose basic equipment has political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images will be sanctioned by the competition organiser or by FIFA.”
They decide each case according to public perception do they?

richard shaw (og)65 my minds eye 13 Dec 20 7.18pm
Originally posted by Mr Fenandes 75 pages of moaning about BLM; kind of comforting to know that nothing has changed on HOL! Yep and all while a Palace game is going on interviewer " iggy , do you think you influenced anybody?" iggy pop " I think I wiped out the 60`S "

richard shaw (og)65

my minds eye 13 Dec 20 7.18pm

Originally posted by Mr Fenandes

75 pages of moaning about BLM; kind of comforting to know that nothing has changed on HOL!

Yep and all while a Palace game is going on

interviewer " iggy , do you think you influenced anybody?"
iggy pop " I think I wiped out the 60`S "

DanH SW2 13 Dec 20 7.29pm
Hopefully those in the ground applauding it annoyed a few people on here. It’s almost like this site isn’t representative of the common, decent Palace fan. Who would have thought that? Edited by DanH (13 Dec 2020 7.43pm)

DanH

SW2 13 Dec 20 7.29pm

Hopefully those in the ground applauding it annoyed a few people on here. It’s almost like this site isn’t representative of the common, decent Palace fan. Who would have thought that?

Edited by DanH (13 Dec 2020 7.43pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 7.39pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Good grief maybe you would like Leni Riefenstahl to organise the pre match entertainment. If I don't like what I see I am entitled to voice my displeasure whether it's the opera or a football match. Whether it's the opera or a football match should you do so whilst attending you risk being asked to leave and refused future entry. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 7.39pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Good grief maybe you would like Leni Riefenstahl to organise the pre match entertainment.

If I don't like what I see I am entitled to voice my displeasure whether it's the opera or a football match.

Whether it's the opera or a football match should you do so whilst attending you risk being asked to leave and refused future entry.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 7.46pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Right. So when FIFA rule 4 says “the basic compulsory equipment must not have any political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images… The team of a player whose basic equipment has political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images will be sanctioned by the competition organiser or by FIFA.” They decide each case according to public perception do they? Obviously, they don't consider using the initals b, l and m, in this way conflicts with the rule. I agree. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 7.46pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Obviously, they don't consider using the initals b, l and m, in this way conflicts with the rule.

I agree.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 7.50pm
Originally posted by DanH Hopefully those in the ground applauding it annoyed a few people on here. It’s almost like this site isn’t representative of the common, decent Palace fan. Who would have thought that? Edited by DanH (13 Dec 2020 7.43pm) Most common, decent Palace fans? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 7.50pm

Originally posted by DanH

Hopefully those in the ground applauding it annoyed a few people on here. It’s almost like this site isn’t representative of the common, decent Palace fan. Who would have thought that?

Edited by DanH (13 Dec 2020 7.43pm)

Most common, decent Palace fans?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Spiderman Horsham 13 Dec 20 8.14pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Most common, decent Palace fans? Please elaborate

Spiderman

Horsham 13 Dec 20 8.14pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Most common, decent Palace fans?

Please elaborate

Spiderman Horsham 13 Dec 20 8.15pm
Originally posted by DanH Hopefully those in the ground applauding it annoyed a few people on here. It’s almost like this site isn’t representative of the common, decent Palace fan. Who would have thought that? Edited by DanH (13 Dec 2020 7.43pm) Again I will say, grow up

Spiderman

Horsham 13 Dec 20 8.15pm

Originally posted by DanH

Hopefully those in the ground applauding it annoyed a few people on here. It’s almost like this site isn’t representative of the common, decent Palace fan. Who would have thought that?

Edited by DanH (13 Dec 2020 7.43pm)

Again I will say, grow up

Teddy Eagle 13 Dec 20 8.37pm
Originally posted by DanH Hopefully those in the ground applauding it annoyed a few people on here. It’s almost like this site isn’t representative of the common, decent Palace fan. Who would have thought that? Edited by DanH (13 Dec 2020 7.43pm) No such thing as a common Palace fan. Everyone is a paragon of good manners, etiquette and courtesy.

Teddy Eagle

13 Dec 20 8.37pm

Originally posted by DanH

Hopefully those in the ground applauding it annoyed a few people on here. It’s almost like this site isn’t representative of the common, decent Palace fan. Who would have thought that?

Edited by DanH (13 Dec 2020 7.43pm)

No such thing as a common Palace fan. Everyone is a paragon of good manners, etiquette and courtesy.

Stirlingsays 13 Dec 20 8.48pm
It's kind of boring that you have to spell out the obvious to some. However, no I have zero problems with higher than average non white representation in sport....as long as it's on merit, which in football I believe it is. However, I thought I was making an obvious point that the diversity industry within football has an issue with under representation of non whites in coaching and management and indeed on any possible issue that could be described (whether or not it is) as 'discrimination' involving non whites. However, they turn a blind eye to over representation where it suits them as their very jobs are dependent upon pushing one way victim narratives and has absolutely nothing to do with fairness. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2020 9.07pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Dec 20 8.48pm

It's kind of boring that you have to spell out the obvious to some.

However, no I have zero problems with higher than average non white representation in sport....as long as it's on merit, which in football I believe it is.

However, I thought I was making an obvious point that the diversity industry within football has an issue with under representation of non whites in coaching and management and indeed on any possible issue that could be described (whether or not it is) as 'discrimination' involving non whites.

However, they turn a blind eye to over representation where it suits them as their very jobs are dependent upon pushing one way victim narratives and has absolutely nothing to do with fairness.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2020 9.07pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle 13 Dec 20 9.18pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Obviously, they don't consider using the initals b, l and m, in this way conflicts with the rule. I agree. Obviously.

Teddy Eagle

13 Dec 20 9.18pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Obviously, they don't consider using the initals b, l and m, in this way conflicts with the rule.

I agree.

Obviously.

becky over the moon 13 Dec 20 9.21pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Whether it's the opera or a football match should you do so whilst attending you risk being asked to leave and refused future entry. You have obviously never been to La Fenice! Booing, throwing stuff and more - and then they are all back the following week............the football is so tame by comparison A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

becky

over the moon 13 Dec 20 9.21pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whether it's the opera or a football match should you do so whilst attending you risk being asked to leave and refused future entry.

You have obviously never been to La Fenice!

Booing, throwing stuff and more - and then they are all back the following week............the football is so tame by comparison

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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