Can anyone explain why Tory Brexiteers are going on about setting aside Billions in preparation for no deal?

I thought we'd be getting back £350m a week not having to shell out billions from May's magic money tree?

Surely these hardline Brexit fanatics should be pointing that out? Why hasn't Boris come out and said that the £350m a week will avoid the need for having to carve out billions from our Budget? Billions that should be being spent on the NHS etc.

I don't doubt it can be done. I doubt it can be achieved by this Tory party.

Why are they so ardent that we should be jumping off the cliff? They seem to crave no deal.

How do you reconcile the claims of exactly the same benefits as before with "taking back power"? How do you reconcile the chasm of opinion within a weak Tory party with everyone pulling in the same direction.

I think part of the problem is that the EU doesn't know what we want and doesn't trust anything May says as she's weak and has contradicted herself on numerous occasions. Flip flopping on her own view last night was hardly helpful.

I've not researched it, and not worked in the airline industry for over 20 years, but I thought the "Freedoms of the Air" treaties were effectively the equivalent of WTO (more or less).

The EU is not granted flight rights, individual airlines are, if I remember right, so I will bow to the industry insiders, but I see no fundamental reason why no deal should affect aviation (and if it does, don't forget how many European airlines use Heathrow as a hub for onward flight to the Americas etc, so it would also be a problem both ways)

There were lies on both sides in a poor debate, iced off with Cameron leaving the next morning after saying he'd stay on. There were also promises of planning for leave, but there wasn't. I don't expect everything, and I don't expect nothing, and neither of those is good for them either. It will be tough no doubt for a while after, but this is for life, not an economic life cycle, which has been our nation's problem for decades.

The Tories aren't managing themselves well, but the EU are trying to bully us and we as a nation don't suffer bullies, unless they're in Africa with little economic value. But Labour on the other hand change their opinion on the single market every other day, so how are they any better? And to have Corbyn go in and have his cheeks and chin rubbed like a cat doesn't fill me with any confidence either.

May isn't being challenged for leadership because everyone knows it's going to be very tough straight afterwards and nobody wants the finger pointing because they caused it. As much as I can't stand her as a useless pm, void of any policies or vision that she'll actually implement rather than empty promises, she's probably the best person to leave in there and then scuttle away knowing this is all she's actually suited for.

COYP

Deep down you mean it. Que sera, let whatever unfolds. Cheap labour winning over British apprenticeships, 7% say in a European Parliament. The European straight jacket.

COYP

I posted a quote from The British Airline Passengers Association, which pointed out that no such WTO equivalent exists to fall back on for aviation.

Without a deal airlines would have to cease to operate and so people and goods could not fly.

Without certainly airlines won't sell advanced tickets for the post 29 March 2019 period so in effect we've got 6 months to iron out at least a transition or airlines will start to stop selling flights as they generally sell up to 350 days in advance.

No I don't.

Radio this morning. Can't remember if it was radio 4, 5 or LBC

An interesting article from the Business Insider

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"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

Ending brexit is the most patriotic thing the government could ever do.

None of the brexiteers wishes will be fulfilled and its foolhardy to continue.

Why, by having no deal, are the tories already panicking into planning to borrow huge sums of money?

Isn't the whole point that there will be 350 millions a week saved and therefore available?

You do the maths.....

The only hope for us is that lenders will stop lending to us and that's regardless of brexit.