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 Mapletree  Croydon 12 Oct 17 7.00pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Issues highlighted in this article are undoubtedly true The desires of the likes of Boris, Fox, Mogg et al to turn the UK into a Singapore on Thames will do nothing for these people. People don't want power just moving from Brussels to Ministers' briefs in Westminster. They want real social change. Anyone who wants Brexit to be a success for British people and to counter the problems of 40 years of neoliberalism like me cringe at the mess that the Tories are making of this and the fact that they are totally misrepresenting the will of the people. People voted for Brexit to make Britain fairer and more equal and all this talk of "no deal" and galivanting around the world striking trade deals will do nothing to fix this problem. It's turned into a pet project for Tories to create a low tax, low regulation economy even more in favour of the wealthy and the elite. The only way to achieve the Brexit people voted for and respect the will of the people is to vote the Tories out at the next available opportunity. I have always struggled to know what Brexit people did vote for, it wasn't well articulated. Lots of people talking about immigration, as though Brexit will stop that. Also about reducing bureaucracy. Well maybe but then again maybe the replacement will be a lesser focus on social welfare. After all, the whole thing has been driven throughout by individuals with a lot to gain. Not a recipe for a fairer share of the spoils in the brave new world. If the pain is worthwhile it surely won't be in my working lifetime. I doubt people realised how prolonged the agony is going to be.
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| Stirlingsays 12 Oct 17 7.13pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Ending brexit is the most patriotic thing the government could ever do. None of the brexiteers wishes will be fulfilled and its foolhardy to continue. Why, by having no deal, are the tories already panicking into planning to borrow huge sums of money? Isn't the whole point that there will be 350 millions a week saved and therefore available? You do the maths..... The only hope for us is that lenders will stop lending to us and that's regardless of brexit. At some point....I don't know when but you are going to realise that Brexit is happening. The EU is there for you to leave for at any point. Patriotic my foot......lover of centralised undemocratic power.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 12 Oct 17 7.18pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
At some point....I don't know when but you are going to realise that Brexit is happening. The EU is there for you to leave for at any point. Patriotic my foot......lover of centralised undemocratic power. 'The EU is there for you to leave for at any point' What does that mean? Try and see a doctor.
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| elgrande bedford 12 Oct 17 7.23pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No deal will be a f***ing disaster. Explain why?.
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| Stirlingsays 12 Oct 17 7.26pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'The EU is there for you to leave for at any point' What does that mean? Try and see a doctor. It means, rather obviously, that if you love the EU so much then move to it. The UK will be leaving it over these next few years and no one is forcing you to remain.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 12 Oct 17 7.31pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
At some point....I don't know when but you are going to realise that Brexit is happening. The EU is there for you to leave for at any point. Patriotic my foot......lover of centralised undemocratic power. But they will spend the rest of their lives blaming everything on Brexit....or the Tories. Bloody Brexiters going down the voting booth, taking our future....
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Oct 17 7.32pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It means, rather obviously, that if you love the EU so much then move to it. The UK will be leaving it over these next few years and no one is forcing you to remain. And please take Gusset with you.
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| .TUX. 12 Oct 17 7.57pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No deal will be a f***ing disaster. Proof?
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europalace  Europe 12 Oct 17 8.09pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Proof?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Oct 17 8.10pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Explain why?. Chaos at ports. Flights grounded. I reckon the Tories will try and make us a tax haven. I could go on.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 12 Oct 17 8.15pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
The UK has given in and accepted a minimum 2 year transition deal. Exactly what the 'brexiteers' didn't want. Will be announced tomorrow. Yets another u-trn and by the UK government. The EU holds all of the cards and next will be another payment after the initial €20 billion already agreed. Even if Brexit happens it will look like Remain but we pay through the nose for it. Only a moron would want a "no deal solution". Edited by pefwin (12 Oct 2017 8.15pm)
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| Bobtail Crowborough 12 Oct 17 8.16pm |
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Oh dear, that would lead to the end of trade and capitalism. I don't understand why that would worry you. Originally posted by nickgusset
Chaos at ports. Flights grounded. I reckon the Tories will try and make us a tax haven. I could go on.
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| .TUX. 12 Oct 17 8.18pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
I saw your post, quoting 'peanuts' in the grand scheme. We're still heading in the right direction. That's all that matters.
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| europalace Europe 12 Oct 17 8.26pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
I saw your post, quoting 'peanuts' in the grand scheme. We're still heading in the right direction. That's all that matters. Really? Expect more installments to be paid over the next 2 years after the initial €20 billion was agreed 2 weeks ago. The EU is in the driving seat for the foreseeable. No 'hard' brexit will be a massive disappointment for many brexiteers. Caving in to EU demands is and will be the status quo. Edited by europalace (12 Oct 2017 8.27pm)
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| .TUX. 12 Oct 17 8.42pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
Really? Expect more installments to be paid over the next 2 years after the initial €20 billion was agreed 2 weeks ago. The EU is in the driving seat for the foreseeable. No 'hard' brexit will be a massive disappointment for many brexiteers. Caving in to EU demands is and will be the status quo. Edited by europalace (12 Oct 2017 8.27pm) Not at all. We're leaving the EU ponzi scheme. That is the ''direction''.
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| europalace Europe 12 Oct 17 8.46pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Not at all. We're leaving the EU ponzi scheme. That is the ''direction''. Of course the UK will leave. However, it will leave on the terms & conditions set by the EU which is exactly what we have seen, are seeing and will continue to see. A very strange suicidal culture in the UK but hey ho, their choice. The other 27 nations move on. Edited by europalace (12 Oct 2017 8.47pm)
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 12 Oct 17 8.47pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
The UK has given in and accepted a minimum 2 year transition deal. Exactly what the 'brexiteers' didn't want. Will be announced tomorrow. Yets another u-trn and by the UK government. The EU holds all of the cards and next will be another payment after the initial €20 billion already agreed. Your determination and delight over multiple posts to see Britain fail makes me wonder why you support a British football team? Are you actually a Palace fan or an EU troll? Edited by Penge Eagle (12 Oct 2017 8.47pm)
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| DanH SW2 12 Oct 17 8.49pm |
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No deal would be a disaster for many industries if we revert back to WTO rules and tariffs.
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| europalace Europe 12 Oct 17 8.50pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Your determination and delight over multiple posts to see Britain fail makes me wonder why you support a British football team? Are you actually a Palace fan or an EU troll? Edited by Penge Eagle (12 Oct 2017 8.47pm) No delight at all, simply posting facts as they are published in international media. If those facts aren't what you want to hear then that's your problem, no one else's but I do understand why you are so upset at seeing the UK heading for economic malaise when instead they could have remained in the EU and seen a much better economic future. here's a quote from BBC business news just 1 hour ago: "The pound also jumped against the euro following the reports in the German newspaper Handelsblatt that the EU could offer the UK a transitional Brexit deal" Edited by europalace (12 Oct 2017 8.53pm)
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