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View blackpalacefan's Profile blackpalacefan Flag 29 Nov 16 1.05pm Send a Private Message to blackpalacefan Add blackpalacefan as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I expect that you are going to say that a discussion about the genetic make up of Britain is racist?
Blame comrade Kermy. He started it.

lol.

Come on BPF. We both know... that people are the same where ever you go........

I expect that I won't.

It may be a good idea to talk about the EU vote instead. It's a subject interesting enough in its own right.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Nov 16 1.16pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by blackpalacefan

I expect that I won't.

It may be a good idea to talk about the EU vote instead. It's a subject interesting enough in its own right.

I'm sorry BPF. I just get tired of seeing the same old inaccurate tosh being spread around the internet by the same old people.

You were right about one thing. The vote for Brexit was not necessarily down racial lines. It is more about what serves the best interests of the individual voter. That is obviously a personal decision.
It is also a problem for some Remainers to realise that the short term financial effect of Brexit was not necessarily paramount in the minds of voters.
It also seems that many remainers actually want Brexit to fail and maybe, just maybe, others with vested interests too.

 

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View blackpalacefan's Profile blackpalacefan Flag 29 Nov 16 1.21pm Send a Private Message to blackpalacefan Add blackpalacefan as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm sorry BPF. I just get tired of seeing the same old inaccurate tosh being spread around the internet by the same old people.

You were right about one thing. The vote for Brexit was not necessarily down racial lines. It is more about what serves the best interests of the individual voter. That is obviously a personal decision.
It is also a problem for some Remainers to realise that the short term financial effect of Brexit was not necessarily paramount in the minds of voters.
It also seems that many remainers actually want Brexit to fail and maybe, just maybe, others with vested interests too.

Yes I think people have all manner of reasons to vote as they did. And I do think from May's perspective it would've been best to have enacted article 50 straight away then dealt with whatever came after. The longer she dithers the more complex it becomes. I don't really blame remainers or leavers for being unhappy, it's more due to being caught in limbo and people not knowing what comes next and when.

 

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 29 Nov 16 1.23pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by blackpalacefan

This man has it right. I have black family members who voted to leave the EU and white who voted to stay. The idea that how British a person is from birth is a meaningful measure in this debate is Im sure most would agree bunk. The impact of "foreign genes" is an irrelevance and how people define "foreign" and "impact" appears to be more concerning than anything. Thoughts about cultural cohesion and multi culturalism in general are perfectly valid, but lets not go down these other roads.

It is relevant to point out statements like the majority of people outside of London can trace thier roots back to ancient Britain are incorrect. These are used to feed into a narrative as Britain as historic, distinct island race rather than an island that through trade, travel migration and invasion has always seen a mix of people and cultures and integrated them.
They are also used being used to attack liberal views as out touch with those normal everyday folk.
Just to clarify what informs my opinion is much more based on the circumstances of now then whether my ancestors came from Donegal or Senegal


 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Nov 16 1.33pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by blackpalacefan

Yes I think people have all manner of reasons to vote as they did. And I do think from May's perspective it would've been best to have enacted article 50 straight away then dealt with whatever came after. The longer she dithers the more complex it becomes. I don't really blame remainers or leavers for being unhappy, it's more due to being caught in limbo and people not knowing what comes next and when.

I think it was assumed by many that Article 50 would kick in immediately. That was never going to be the case. For one thing, the Brexit vote caught everyone on the hop. Especially the Tories.

 

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View blackpalacefan's Profile blackpalacefan Flag 29 Nov 16 1.36pm Send a Private Message to blackpalacefan Add blackpalacefan as a friend

Originally posted by Ketteridge

It is relevant to point out statements like the majority of people outside of London can trace thier roots back to ancient Britain are incorrect. These are used to feed into a narrative as Britain as historic, distinct island race rather than an island that through trade, travel migration and invasion has always seen a mix of people and cultures and integrated them.
They are also used being used to attack liberal views as out touch with those normal everyday folk.
Just to clarify what informs my opinion is much more based on the circumstances of now then whether my ancestors came from Donegal or Senegal


In reply I posted the break down stating that from the daily mail [Link] so you make a valid point about our origins but personally I've said what I had to say and I know this place too well to imagine that minds will be changed by anything I have to say, so I drew a line under it.

 

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View blackpalacefan's Profile blackpalacefan Flag 29 Nov 16 1.41pm Send a Private Message to blackpalacefan Add blackpalacefan as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think it was assumed by many that Article 50 would kick in immediately. That was never going to be the case. For one thing, the Brexit vote caught everyone on the hop. Especially the Tories.

True. It's anyones guess what happens now. I'll be pleased when its a distant memory and we are set on a course and no longer leavers and remainers.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Nov 16 1.45pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Ketteridge

It is relevant to point out statements like the majority of people outside of London can trace thier roots back to ancient Britain are incorrect. These are used to feed into a narrative as Britain as historic, distinct island race rather than an island that through trade, travel migration and invasion has always seen a mix of people and cultures and integrated them.
They are also used being used to attack liberal views as out touch with those normal everyday folk.
Just to clarify what informs my opinion is much more based on the circumstances of now then whether my ancestors came from Donegal or Senegal


We ae talking about genes and the facts are clear.

It would be ridiculous to suggest that Britain has been isolated form the rest of the world, nor has anyone suggested that. What I won't accept is the notion that the current rate and nature of immigration has any precedent in British history. That would be a lie.

 

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 29 Nov 16 1.53pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well you obviously believe the world is flat.

The findings of genetic research has received a lot of coverage and the findings are fairly clear.

If you want to interpret it differently to the experts, then good luck with that.

Sorry not sure you got how that conversation went, just to recap. You said the majority of people in the Britain, outside of London, can trace their roots back to ancient Britain. I said I'm not sure about that but if you have any links. You provided a link when I pointed the methodological problems in drawing that conclusion and that the authors weren't making that claim anyway.
rather then back up you point you tell me I don't need to justify myself to you.
I'm happy to believe you and change my view but you can't find the evidence to back it up.

 


One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 29 Nov 16 1.56pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm sorry BPF. I just get tired of seeing the same old inaccurate tosh being spread around the internet by the same old people.

You were right about one thing. The vote for Brexit was not necessarily down racial lines. It is more about what serves the best interests of the individual voter. That is obviously a personal decision.
It is also a problem for some Remainers to realise that the short term financial effect of Brexit was not necessarily paramount in the minds of voters.
It also seems that many remainers actually want Brexit to fail and maybe, just maybe, others with vested interests too.

Hoo-rah. At last some concrete news from the Brexit camp. Once we have actually left Hrolf how long will the short-term be exactly?

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Nov 16 2.00pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by blackpalacefan

In reply I posted the break down stating that from the daily mail [Link] so you make a valid point about our origins but personally I've said what I had to say and I know this place too well to imagine that minds will be changed by anything I have to say, so I drew a line under it.

I'm not sure how you think this proves in favour of Ketteridge. We know that Britons are partly Germanic, Danish, "celtic" from more recent and more ancient migrantions from Europe.

The population has hardly changed in thousands of years.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Nov 2016 2.00pm)

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Nov 16 2.03pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Hoo-rah. At last some concrete news from the Brexit camp. Once we have actually left Hrolf how long will the short-term be exactly?

I don't know and nor do you.

The only certainty I voted for was escaping from the rule of Brussels.

 

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