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Stirlingsays Flag 26 Apr 17 6.21pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Of course the Conservative lie is that we 'can just walk away'. No one actually believes they will, or can, without creating all manner of economic consequences.

The truth is probably somewhere in between, that we'll actually have to make some deals that aren't in our favour, to get what we want.

Truth is, no one wants to tie themselves to policies about how the UK will progress after we leave the EU. Just in case they have to live up to them.

I don't really care about the deal, I want to know what kind of UK they want to forge outside of Europe. Because there was no point in leaving the EU if we're just going to become a corporate lapdog which is the issue I had with the EU to begin with.

You are probably right....Time will tell for certain.

Though I think we have to be prepared to turn nasty if the alternative is that the EU wish to turn us into Greece.

Obviously there are always political hot heads on both sides but I think the sensible heads will prevail.

Still, Brexit was never about economic sense for half the country. Personally I hope some middle ground will be sought but if not then so be it.

I don't envisage the EU being around in its present form for that long anyway....The vision of its more ardent politicians for its future just does not carry enough people along with it....and economic threats just make that divide worse.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 26 Apr 17 6.23pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Surely Europe is the grave-yard of all tory prime ministers.

Mrs May headstone being engraved now.

They are lemmings over a cliff.

A Corbyn supporter using that phrase is worth plenty of chuckles.

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 26 Apr 17 8.44pm

I see labour want to pay the nhs workers more money the stupid cnuts,,,what about the poor bankers,,,they work equally hard and deserve more surely? typical labour i say, we need to pay these bankers more or they might leave us and go to america!

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Apr 17 8.51pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

I see labour want to pay the nhs workers more money the stupid cnuts,,,what about the poor bankers,,,they work equally hard and deserve more surely? typical labour i say, we need to pay these bankers more or they might leave us and go to america!

How much more did they get paid under the last Labour government?

 

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 26 Apr 17 8.59pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Nonsense, what I want is policies, statements of commitment and manifesto pledges. I could care less about the alleged personality traits and why the UK is better if 'x' is in charge.

Also, I want to hear from my local candidates who've been suspiciously quiet and done f**k all (except the Greens who at least seem to be making an effort to campaign).

Anyone who is voting based on who they think might make a better, stronger stable leader is missing the entire point of elections.

Policy not personality.

Precisely my thoughts.

Incidentally, John Moss looks as inept as some party leaders from up here in the holmesdale.

 

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 26 Apr 17 10.19pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Precisely my thoughts.

Incidentally, John Moss looks as inept as some party leaders from up here in the holmesdale.

I owe all the party leaders a massive apology.

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 26 Apr 17 11.00pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

I see labour want to pay the nhs workers more money the stupid cnuts,,,what about the poor bankers,,,they work equally hard and deserve more surely? typical labour i say, we need to pay these bankers more or they might leave us and go to america!

Very honourable but they say from corporation tax. The same tax that they have allocated to a multitude of other promises. It must be some hike they're planning.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Apr 17 11.40pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Very honourable but they say from corporation tax. The same tax that they have allocated to a multitude of other promises. It must be some hike they're planning.

A new type of qe. But instead of all the money going to financial sector it will be used for investment.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 26 Apr 17 11.50pm

Corporation tax intake has gone up considerably since the Tories cut the rate.

Yet for so many of Labour's promises it's 'raise corporation tax'.

Labour lie even more than the Tories...raising taxes on corporations is going to do bugger all.....they will find the means not to pay it as they have ever done...and if Labour force they will go elsewhere or reduce their presence.

Labour tell the poor that they will make them better off when in reality they screw them royally and then tell them they should be thankful for the bus fare home.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Apr 2017 11.51pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 27 Apr 17 8.10am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Corporation tax intake has gone up considerably since the Tories cut the rate.

Yet for so many of Labour's promises it's 'raise corporation tax'.

Labour lie even more than the Tories...raising taxes on corporations is going to do bugger all.....they will find the means not to pay it as they have ever done...and if Labour force they will go elsewhere or reduce their presence.

Labour tell the poor that they will make them better off when in reality they screw them royally and then tell them they should be thankful for the bus fare home.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Apr 2017 11.51pm)


1) 1998-2007 Introduction of minimum wage, Working Tax credits for the lesser-salaried, NHS investment up by an extra £40bill, schools budget increases, [Link]


2) You don't do reality

3) The Tories would do none of the above even in good times.

Edited by Kermit8 (27 Apr 2017 8.11am)

 


Big chest and massive boobs

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Apr 17 8.30am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Corporation tax intake has gone up considerably since the Tories cut the rate.

Yet for so many of Labour's promises it's 'raise corporation tax'.

Labour lie even more than the Tories...raising taxes on corporations is going to do bugger all.....they will find the means not to pay it as they have ever done...and if Labour force they will go elsewhere or reduce their presence.

Labour tell the poor that they will make them better off when in reality they screw them royally and then tell them they should be thankful for the bus fare home.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Apr 2017 11.51pm)

Absolutely !

Seemingly everything will be paid for by raising corporation taxes ! Jon Craig on SKY provided a list of spending pledges which will be paid for by hikes in CT !!!! This is Labour's detailed costing and analysis as to where the money will come from !!!!
It won't be 'Great Britain' it will be 'Bankrupt Britain " !

I think I will leave my political debating at this. Will only turn it into a WILLO thread !
Rather the focus be on Corbyn and his comrades and his non-sensical policies.

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 27 Apr 17 8.33am

Originally posted by Willo

Absolutely !

Seemingly everything will be paid for by raising corporation taxes ! Jon Craig on SKY provided a list of spending pledges which will be paid for by hikes in CT !!!! This is Labour's detailed costing and analysis as to where the money will come from !!!!
It won't be 'Great Britain' it will be 'Bankrupt Britain " !

I think I will leave my political debating at this. Will only turn it into a WILLO thread !
Rather the focus be on Corbyn and his comrades and his non-sensical policies.

Fourth time you have said that on this thread?

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Apr 17 8.38am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Fourth time you have said that on this thread?

Keep getting drawn into the debate but alas I think I will keep my nose out as I would rather it focus on the dastardly Labour policies and politicians rather than me !

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 27 Apr 17 8.42am

I see Boris has been at it again.

For anyone who wondered what a Mugwump is

 


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leifandersonshair Flag Newport 27 Apr 17 8.48am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I see Boris has been at it again.

For anyone who wondered what a Mugwump is

Boris showing he's a man of the people again, with relatable terms understandable to the man on the street. So ridiculous the moron occupies one of the great offices of state

 

Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 27 Apr 17 8.49am

Originally posted by croydon proud

I see labour want to pay the nhs workers more money the stupid cnuts,,,what about the poor bankers,,,they work equally hard and deserve more surely? typical labour i say, we need to pay these bankers more or they might leave us and go to america!

The poor bankers may leave the country ... oh dear that would be dreadful. We MUST give them more as clearly no one else does anything here.

 


Denial is not just a river in Egypt

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 27 Apr 17 8.53am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I see Boris has been at it again.

For anyone who wondered what a Mugwump is

Keep on like this Boris and we will have a labour prime minister.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Apr 17 9.24am

Every time you see a headline attacking Labour, remember the owner of the newspaper is a multi-millionaire trying to protect his own wealth.

 

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 27 Apr 17 9.28am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Corporation tax intake has gone up considerably since the Tories cut the rate.

Yet for so many of Labour's promises it's 'raise corporation tax'.

Labour lie even more than the Tories...raising taxes on corporations is going to do bugger all.....they will find the means not to pay it as they have ever done...and if Labour force they will go elsewhere or reduce their presence.

Labour tell the poor that they will make them better off when in reality they screw them royally and then tell them they should be thankful for the bus fare home.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Apr 2017 11.51pm)

What the government has done, as part of an OECD-wide commitment, is takle base erosion and profit shifting (BEPS). The result of this is to increase the tax base as companies are find it ever more difficult to shift profits offshore. Certainly a good thing.

Also there is the benefit (in CT terms) of the return to profits of many of the banks. Also in this years stats the government has changed the point at which receipts are included in the stats which has effectively massaged the figures. Excluding the past year the corporation tax take has only gone up marginally.

One of the related issues is that companies are now more willing to declare tax in the UK/less able not to, but the retained profits post tax are then sitting on balance sheets underutilised, which is incredibly inefficient and you have a savings glut. A major reason for this is a lack of aggregate demand in the economy which has been brought about largely due to austerity. There are tax breaks for business investment but business investment fell last year, which also helped tax take.


The tax take from the bank levy has gone down though as the government slashed the rate.


If the tax take was going up as rates go down and this was purely down to growth then why have wages been stagnant? Average real weekly earnings have not increased since 2010 and have actually fallen slightly.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 27 Apr 17 10.00am

Originally posted by Kermit8


1) 1998-2007 Introduction of minimum wage, Working Tax credits for the lesser-salaried, NHS investment up by an extra £40bill, schools budget increases, [Link]


2) You don't do reality

3) The Tories would do none of the above even in good times.

Edited by Kermit8 (27 Apr 2017 8.11am)


Massive influx of foreigners lowering down wages and increasing competition for their jobs, housing and increasing stress on infrastructure.

Inequality increased under Labour. Labour's last time in office saw a sharp rise in income inequality, as well as a fall in the income of the poorest fifth of the population.

I liked some of what they did but that's the reality. You're the one who doesn't do reality mate.

I'm not a particular fan of how many in the Tory party regard the poor but at least they aren't hypocrites like plenty in Labour are.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Apr 2017 10.10am)

 


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