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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Oct 17 12.24pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Are you still using that reductionism? Prejudice is about associating certain behavior with certain groups. It is a perception which is sometimes based on ignorance but often on experience. It is a self preserving, self serving mechanism which everyone has. Get over it. Are you attributing your seeming racism to a self preserving, self serving mechanism which everyone has.
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Shizzlehurst 06 Oct 17 12.24pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Are you still using that reductionism?

Prejudice is about associating certain behavior with certain groups. It is a perception which is sometimes based on ignorance but often on experience. It is a self preserving, self serving mechanism which everyone has.

Get over it.

Are you attributing your seeming racism to a self preserving, self serving mechanism which everyone has.

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Oct 17 12.37pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Are you attributing your seeming racism to a self preserving, self serving mechanism which everyone has. ' 'Racism' only exists in the minds of people who wish to use the concept for their own ends. It's just that some are too dumb to see that.
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06 Oct 17 12.37pm

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Are you attributing your seeming racism to a self preserving, self serving mechanism which everyone has.

'
'Racism' only exists in the minds of people who wish to use the concept for their own ends.
It's just that some are too dumb to see that.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Oct 17 12.56pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Are you under the illusion that all benefit claimants are non-white/non-British? Or even a majority. To say her comments are a failure of multiculturalism ignores that fact that what she said was not only based on narrow minded bigotry, but also on a complete and utter ignorance of fact. Your comments are likewise. Something like 92% of benefit claimants are white and British for the record, making them significantly MORE likely to be claiming benefits than immigrants. (source: DWP) Where have I said any of these things (apart by the failure of multi-culturalism - that I stand by)? Did you read the bit where I said her comments were "unpleasant and reprehensible"? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 06 Oct 17 12.56pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Are you under the illusion that all benefit claimants are non-white/non-British? Or even a majority.

To say her comments are a failure of multiculturalism ignores that fact that what she said was not only based on narrow minded bigotry, but also on a complete and utter ignorance of fact.

Your comments are likewise.

Something like 92% of benefit claimants are white and British for the record, making them significantly MORE likely to be claiming benefits than immigrants. (source: DWP)

Where have I said any of these things (apart by the failure of multi-culturalism - that I stand by)? Did you read the bit where I said her comments were "unpleasant and reprehensible"?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Oct 17 1.00pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle The events were at no point concurrent so any "suitable bodyguards" could have easily worked at both events. I believe the road and public transport network isn't so broken that getting between Brighton and Manchester in under a day is impossible. The fact that there were 3 days in between the two conferences should have afforded ample time for those "suitable bodyguards" to have arrived in Manchester in time. Yeah Einstein, That was a joke. Jeeez
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06 Oct 17 1.00pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

The events were at no point concurrent so any "suitable bodyguards" could have easily worked at both events. I believe the road and public transport network isn't so broken that getting between Brighton and Manchester in under a day is impossible. The fact that there were 3 days in between the two conferences should have afforded ample time for those "suitable bodyguards" to have arrived in Manchester in time.

Yeah Einstein, That was a joke. Jeeez

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Oct 17 1.04pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Are you under the illusion that all benefit claimants are non-white/non-British? Or even a majority. To say her comments are a failure of multiculturalism ignores that fact that what she said was not only based on narrow minded bigotry, but also on a complete and utter ignorance of fact. Your comments are likewise. Something like 92% of benefit claimants are white and British for the record, making them significantly MORE likely to be claiming benefits than immigrants. (source: DWP) As you would expect in a predominantly white country. What it does mean is that in large cities where immigrants tend to be in much greater numbers, their might seem to be a disproportion if you are down your local benefits office.
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06 Oct 17 1.04pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Are you under the illusion that all benefit claimants are non-white/non-British? Or even a majority.

To say her comments are a failure of multiculturalism ignores that fact that what she said was not only based on narrow minded bigotry, but also on a complete and utter ignorance of fact.

Your comments are likewise.

Something like 92% of benefit claimants are white and British for the record, making them significantly MORE likely to be claiming benefits than immigrants. (source: DWP)

As you would expect in a predominantly white country.
What it does mean is that in large cities where immigrants tend to be in much greater numbers, their might seem to be a disproportion if you are down your local benefits office.

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Kermit8 Hevon 06 Oct 17 1.07pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Where have I said any of these things (apart by the failure of multi-culturalism - that I stand by)? Did you read the bit where I said her comments were "unpleasant and reprehensible"? How exactly looking at the overall picture and generally has it failed? 65 million people in the country 10% of whom are from a mix of a hundred countries or more. Ergo 100 cultures. It's only a small minority whom we don't fit with venn diagram stylee and them not us. The rest are fine aren't they? Can't remember any race riots for quite a while. Relative to racial and cultural strife in the UK and the amount of people I would say it has been pretty much a roaring success. Or is 'failure' too many foreigners? That's not failure though is it? That's too many foreigners. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 06 Oct 17 1.07pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Where have I said any of these things (apart by the failure of multi-culturalism - that I stand by)? Did you read the bit where I said her comments were "unpleasant and reprehensible"?

How exactly looking at the overall picture and generally has it failed? 65 million people in the country 10% of whom are from a mix of a hundred countries or more. Ergo 100 cultures. It's only a small minority whom we don't fit with venn diagram stylee and them not us. The rest are fine aren't they? Can't remember any race riots for quite a while.

Relative to racial and cultural strife in the UK and the amount of people I would say it has been pretty much a roaring success.

Or is 'failure' too many foreigners? That's not failure though is it? That's too many foreigners.

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Oct 17 1.19pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 How exactly looking at the overall picture and generally has it failed? 65 million people in the country 10% of whom are from a mix of a hundred countries or more. Ergo 100 cultures. It's only a small minority whom we don't fit with venn diagram stylee and them not us. The rest are fine aren't they? Can't remember any race riots for quite a while. Relative to racial and cultural strife in the UK and the amount of people I would say it has been pretty much a roaring success. Or is 'failure' too many foreigners? That's not failure though is it? That's too many foreigners. This is an interesting discussion if kept civil. I would look to America to see how multi culture works long term. Thee is still a lot of segregation and antagonism. The process of immigration is continuous so you never reach a point where everyone is second generation or greater. In terms of the economy and growth of a nation there are probably some advantages but America has plenty of room for growth, unlike Britain.It does not necessarily mean better quality of life for all. The wealthy probably get wealthier and the increased population alone brings big presures on a society with finite resources. As a tiny island, we will feel that quicker than most.
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06 Oct 17 1.19pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Relative to racial and cultural strife in the UK and the amount of people I would say it has been pretty much a roaring success.

Or is 'failure' too many foreigners? That's not failure though is it? That's too many foreigners.

This is an interesting discussion if kept civil.

I would look to America to see how multi culture works long term. Thee is still a lot of segregation and antagonism. The process of immigration is continuous so you never reach a point where everyone is second generation or greater. In terms of the economy and growth of a nation there are probably some advantages but America has plenty of room for growth, unlike Britain.It does not necessarily mean better quality of life for all. The wealthy probably get wealthier and the increased population alone brings big presures on a society with finite resources. As a tiny island, we will feel that quicker than most.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Oct 17 1.37pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 How exactly looking at the overall picture and generally has it failed? 65 million people in the country 10% of whom are from a mix of a hundred countries or more. Ergo 100 cultures. It's only a small minority whom we don't fit with venn diagram stylee and them not us. The rest are fine aren't they? Can't remember any race riots for quite a while. Relative to racial and cultural strife in the UK and the amount of people I would say it has been pretty much a roaring success. Or is 'failure' too many foreigners? That's not failure though is it? That's too many foreigners. I think the constant use of the word 'communities' sums things up - what it really means is groups of people of similar race, religion and culture concentrating themselves together in given areas with little attempt to integrate (whatever that means). But apparently 'communities' are a cause for 'celebration'. No significant race riots lately (be patient) but plenty of terrorism emerging from the 'communities'. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 06 Oct 17 1.37pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Relative to racial and cultural strife in the UK and the amount of people I would say it has been pretty much a roaring success.

Or is 'failure' too many foreigners? That's not failure though is it? That's too many foreigners.

I think the constant use of the word 'communities' sums things up - what it really means is groups of people of similar race, religion and culture concentrating themselves together in given areas with little attempt to integrate (whatever that means). But apparently 'communities' are a cause for 'celebration'. No significant race riots lately (be patient) but plenty of terrorism emerging from the 'communities'.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Kermit8 Hevon 06 Oct 17 1.57pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 I think the constant use of the word 'communities' sums things up - what it really means is groups of people of similar race, religion and culture concentrating themselves together in given areas with little attempt to integrate (whatever that means). But apparently 'communities' are a cause for 'celebration'. No significant race riots lately (be patient) but plenty of terrorism emerging from the 'communities'. It appears to be the packaging from the media and voices that you have disdain for which is fair enough. But my original points stand. We are a hotch-potch of all sorts on this island today. Very few youngsters now would have all 8 great-grandparents all born in, and with ancestors from, England or even all 4 grandparents. And we have very little trouble here relatively speaking in regard to that mix. That is multi-culture, multi-religion, multi-race, multi-nationality pretty much working, or should I say not failing, for the vast majority. They are the people who just go about their day not really bothering anyone and they from all manner of backgrounds. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Oct 2017 1.58pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 06 Oct 17 1.57pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

It appears to be the packaging from the media and voices that you have disdain for which is fair enough. But my original points stand.

We are a hotch-potch of all sorts on this island today. Very few youngsters now would have all 8 great-grandparents all born in, and with ancestors from, England or even all 4 grandparents. And we have very little trouble here relatively speaking in regard to that mix.

That is multi-culture, multi-religion, multi-race, multi-nationality pretty much working, or should I say not failing, for the vast majority. They are the people who just go about their day not really bothering anyone and they from all manner of backgrounds.

Edited by Kermit8 (06 Oct 2017 1.58pm)

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 06 Oct 17 2.05pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Are you still using that reductionism? Prejudice is about associating certain behavior with certain groups. It is a perception which is sometimes based on ignorance but often on experience. It is a self preserving, self serving mechanism which everyone has. Get over it. Given the truth about benefit claimants it was based on utter ignorance at best, but more likely downright unfounded prejudice.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Are you still using that reductionism?

Prejudice is about associating certain behavior with certain groups. It is a perception which is sometimes based on ignorance but often on experience. It is a self preserving, self serving mechanism which everyone has.

Get over it.

Given the truth about benefit claimants it was based on utter ignorance at best, but more likely downright unfounded prejudice.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 06 Oct 17 2.08pm
Originally posted by Willo I have been to 'Conference' several times over the years but due to family reasons I am unable to attend on this occasion. As ever I am thoroughly looking forward to it.
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Any european country i fancy! 06 Oct 17 2.08pm

Originally posted by Willo

I have been to 'Conference' several times over the years but due to family reasons I am unable to attend on this occasion.

As ever I am thoroughly looking forward to it.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 06 Oct 17 2.09pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Where have I said any of these things (apart by the failure of multi-culturalism - that I stand by)? Did you read the bit where I said her comments were "unpleasant and reprehensible"? You were attributing her misinformed view on the make-up of benefit claimants on multiculturalism (i.e. non Brits moving to Britain). Given her view was the opposite of reality there is little to be said other than she's a bigot and a fool. To blame multiculturalism ignores the fact she was totally mistaken about the truth and suggest that you are as well.
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Sydenham 06 Oct 17 2.09pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Where have I said any of these things (apart by the failure of multi-culturalism - that I stand by)? Did you read the bit where I said her comments were "unpleasant and reprehensible"?

You were attributing her misinformed view on the make-up of benefit claimants on multiculturalism (i.e. non Brits moving to Britain). Given her view was the opposite of reality there is little to be said other than she's a bigot and a fool. To blame multiculturalism ignores the fact she was totally mistaken about the truth and suggest that you are as well.

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