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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Dec 20 9.22am

Originally posted by jeeagles

He's only playing 1 new player in the starting line up so I don't think that argument stacks up.

After defeats to Burnley and Newcastle he was in big trouble, maybe he finally realised something had to change?

There are still the same old Hodgson traits, but he's finally made some positive changes.

We now only have about 6 months left of him too.

I am not discounting the idea that he could well be our manager next season.

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 18 Dec 20 9.39am

Originally posted by EddieMac

The Roy Out thread has been a bit quiet lately. Does this mean the Roy Out folks are changing their tune?

People have always said on here that he only knows one way of playing and that is ultra defensive and hasn’t a clue how to attack but this season we have seen lots of attacking and some lovely football.

Was the problem all along the players at his disposal? Are we now beginning to see what he can do with the right players?


Edited by EddieMac (18 Dec 2020 7.55am)

He'll get stick for negative perfomances like Brighton, Chelsea, Burnley and Newcastle for example. No fan wants to see their team play 11 behind the ball with hardly any attempts on goal. Credit for the change in tactics that have seen us play more positively in the last 3 games. The players look happier too imho.

 

Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 18 Dec 20 9.09pm

Originally posted by EddieMac

The Roy Out thread has been a bit quiet lately. Does this mean the Roy Out folks are changing their tune?

People have always said on here that he only knows one way of playing and that is ultra defensive and hasn’t a clue how to attack but this season we have seen lots of attacking and some lovely football.

Was the problem all along the players at his disposal? Are we now beginning to see what he can do with the right players?


Edited by EddieMac (18 Dec 2020 7.55am)

I remember when Roy came in we lost Benteke to injury which left us without a centre forward of even Championship level. He masterminded a win against Chelsea with Townsend and Zaha as inside forwards which turned things around. When this got sussed by our opponents and Benteke was fit he changed back. When Benteke couldn't score he adapted the team again and so it goes on.

Things reached a real low for me on this board when we beat United away to give us six points after two games but some wanted to make excuses for our opponents and bitch about the end of last season.

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 19 Dec 20 7.47am

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Merry Christmas cryrst.

To you and yours as well mate.

 

johnmcormick8 Flag Brundish 19 Dec 20 10.28am

Bloody well right today we take on the pool if we loose the moaners will be banging on again on doubt.

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

I remember when Roy came in we lost Benteke to injury which left us without a centre forward of even Championship level. He masterminded a win against Chelsea with Townsend and Zaha as inside forwards which turned things around. When this got sussed by our opponents and Benteke was fit he changed back. When Benteke couldn't score he adapted the team again and so it goes on.

Things reached a real low for me on this board when we beat United away to give us six points after two games but some wanted to make excuses for our opponents and bitch about the end of last season.

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 19 Dec 20 10.47am

Originally posted by johnmcormick8

Bloody well right today we take on the pool if we loose the moaners will be banging on again on doubt.

If you are going to bang on about other posters, at least give them the courtesy of a coherent rollicking beforehand. It’s ‘lose’ and it’s ‘no’ doubt.

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 19 Dec 20 10.50am

Originally posted by EddieMac

The Roy Out thread has been a bit quiet lately. Does this mean the Roy Out folks are changing their tune?

People have always said on here that he only knows one way of playing and that is ultra defensive and hasn’t a clue how to attack but this season we have seen lots of attacking and some lovely football.

Was the problem all along the players at his disposal? Are we now beginning to see what he can do with the right players?


Edited by EddieMac (18 Dec 2020 7.55am)

More to do with scoring opportunities instead of missing them and the confidence this brings to everyone in my book, nothing to do with our manager being negative ..he has always been pragmatic and the more we keep not scoring the more pragmatic he appears to the detriment of excitement, goals = joy no goals = misery.
Eze has helped enormously.

 

A89M Flag Streatham 19 Dec 20 10.51am

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

I remember when Roy came in we lost Benteke to injury which left us without a centre forward of even Championship level. He masterminded a win against Chelsea with Townsend and Zaha as inside forwards which turned things around. When this got sussed by our opponents and Benteke was fit he changed back. When Benteke couldn't score he adapted the team again and so it goes on.

Things reached a real low for me on this board when we beat United away to give us six points after two games but some wanted to make excuses for our opponents and bitch about the end of last season.

Hear hear! Roy has adapted to many different scenarios that's been thrown at him. We had RLC, Cabaye we played the best football I've seen at Palace. We had 6-7 injuries to the first team (can't remember specific number) one season and he adapted a more conservative approach - Klopp can't stop going on about his injuries and he's got a wealth of options. The same with last season, no number 10, no striker but Ayew managed to step up with important goals. Now this season, our first choice CBs are all out and have been since the start of the season and we're still getting results.

Whilst we've added one meaningful player to some (I believe two, Clyne is a lot safer than Ward). That player is the one we've been asking for, a number 10 type player who plays inbetween the lines, its the difference maker and we are seeing how Roy is using him to effect this season. Freeing up Wilf a lot more as well. It is just one player but what a massive difference it makes.

 

CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE Flag bloomfield 19 Dec 20 4.18pm

There are ways to lose a match if one has a competent manager. Hodgeson is simply not it. Expect results that are all over the place from this man who life has given so many chances despite his incompetence. I was done with him a long time ago despite the "recognition" the media and some here give him. Folks we are not that far from relegation with this guy.

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 19 Dec 20 4.41pm

Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

There are ways to lose a match if one has a competent manager. Hodgeson is simply not it. Expect results that are all over the place from this man who life has given so many chances despite his incompetence. I was done with him a long time ago despite the "recognition" the media and some here give him. Folks we are not that far from relegation with this guy.


Who's he? If you mean our manager at least get his name right.

Did Manure sack Ole after their drubbing by Spurs (1-6) or Southampton Hasenhuttl after their drubbing by Leicester last season (0-9).

These games happen sometimes. The wise thing is to put them behind you, pull your socks up and get on with the next game.

We were good against WBA, Spurs and WH and we are not suddenly a poor team because of today nor is Roy a bad manager (ask Fulham, WBA, Inter MIlan, Switzerland etc).

In saying this I'm not saying I'm a Hodgson fan but until we have a genuine quality replacement lined up I don't see a reason to get rid of him.

 

braunstoneagle Flag the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 19 Dec 20 4.44pm

why would anybody want roy out?

 


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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 19 Dec 20 4.53pm

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

why would anybody want roy out?

wanting Roy gone ? just ask all the brighton, Millwall, charlton, chelscum trolls on here.

 


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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 19 Dec 20 4.57pm

Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

There are ways to lose a match if one has a competent manager. Hodgeson is simply not it. Expect results that are all over the place from this man who life has given so many chances despite his incompetence. I was done with him a long time ago despite the "recognition" the media and some here give him. Folks we are not that far from relegation with this guy.

-.-'

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 19 Dec 20 5.03pm

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

why would anybody want roy out?

I think they're called daft and therefore cannot comprehend any situation.

 

Painter Flag Croydon 19 Dec 20 7.04pm

Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

There are ways to lose a match if one has a competent manager. Hodgeson is simply not it. Expect results that are all over the place from this man who life has given so many chances despite his incompetence. I was done with him a long time ago despite the "recognition" the media and some here give him. Folks we are not that far from relegation with this guy.

You always confirm, that Yanks have very little understanding of football.
Our incompetent manager hasn't seen us in the relegation zone since Feb 2018, that was when he was recovering from the shambles left by De Boer. He has kept us hovering around mid table since then, despite lack of investment and injury crisis's along the way.
He gets recognition from the media, as they understand his achievements a bit more, than you seem too.

 

CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE Flag bloomfield 19 Dec 20 7.46pm

Originally posted by doombear


Who's he? If you mean our manager at least get his name right.

Did Manure sack Ole after their drubbing by Spurs (1-6) or Southampton Hasenhuttl after their drubbing by Leicester last season (0-9).

These games happen sometimes. The wise thing is to put them behind you, pull your socks up and get on with the next game.

We were good against WBA, Spurs and WH and we are not suddenly a poor team because of today nor is Roy a bad manager (ask Fulham, WBA, Inter MIlan, Switzerland etc).

In saying this I'm not saying I'm a Hodgson fan but until we have a genuine quality replacement lined up I don't see a reason to get rid of him.

Thanks for the name correction Sir. We are not all English. Many of us Palace fans. If 7-0 loss and many otherwise winnable games on which we lost points is OK with you, then our ambitions/horizons for this club are different. We have more than enough talent in the squad to not have to go through these nerve wrecking and humiliating displays. How do other teams with less talent get more accomplished but Roy gets a pass???

 

AuntyAnne70 Flag Tunbridge WElls 19 Dec 20 9.27pm

Genuine question, which teams do you mean?

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 19 Dec 20 11.04pm

Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

Thanks for the name correction Sir. We are not all English. Many of us Palace fans. If 7-0 loss and many otherwise winnable games on which we lost points is OK with you, then our ambitions/horizons for this club are different. We have more than enough talent in the squad to not have to go through these nerve wrecking and humiliating displays. How do other teams with less talent get more accomplished but Roy gets a pass???


The team which thrashed us today lost 7-2 to Villa earlier this season.
Man U lost 1-6 to Spurs
Bad days come to all teams at some point.

You will know we lost 9-0 to Liverpool 30 years ago and then went and beat them 4-3 in the FA Cup semi-final the same year.

Also look at Southampton - thrashed 0-9 at home by Leicester last season then went and beat them 0-1 at the King Power. Look at them now - flying high.

Perspective my friend. I've been supporting Palace for nearly 50 years. We are not a big team. This is our longest run in the top tier. Let's see how we react at Villa and in subsequent games.

We are still 8 points clear of the relegation zone.

If we want to be more than a mid-table premier league team then the American billionaires need to put their hands in their pockets and fund a project to achieve that.

As for Roy Hodgson, he's done well with the resources he has and the limited investment the club had made in the three and a bit years he's been our manager.


 

CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE Flag bloomfield 19 Dec 20 11.25pm

Originally posted by Painter

You always confirm, that Yanks have very little understanding of football.
Our incompetent manager hasn't seen us in the relegation zone since Feb 2018, that was when he was recovering from the shambles left by De Boer. He has kept us hovering around mid table since then, despite lack of investment and injury crisis's along the way.
He gets recognition from the media, as they understand his achievements a bit more, than you seem too.

At least I recognize football, particularly in this league has become global, in appeal, fan followership and sponsorship. And thus had left geographic locations out of the discussion. You confirm though that your success metric is based on not getting relegated, and mine is the aggregate import of the manager with the resources at his disposal. in your world achievements of teams like Leicester are a fluke. and btw, of course the media loves Roy. thats true. i assume you know why.

 

Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 19 Dec 20 11.46pm

I've been fairly consistent in my belief that we need to move on from Roy for a while now. Today doesn't make me want him to leave any more or less though and, in honesty, I was far angrier after our pathetic capitulation to Burnley a few weeks ago.

This was a freak result in which Liverpool scored with seven of their eight shots on target. Most were extremely good, clinical finishes from difficult situations. I actually thought we played fairly well in the first half. To say a 7-0 scoreline is flattering would be the understatement of the century.

My issue with Roy pertains to his overriding tactical negativity, his continued disregard for players like Jairo who we can all see are very good players and his dysfunctional relationship with substitutions, rendering our games borderline unwatchable at times.

However, there have been signs this season, and in recent games, that we can play well and attack dangerously, largely thanks to the addition of Eze, and at our current rate of scoring we'll net an extra 11 goals to last season.

Roy isn't our future but it's not sensible to be too reactionary to results like these, especially after an unbeaten run of three games that could, and should, have produced seven points.

 


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