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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Dec 20 9.57pm

Originally posted by DanH

Hopefully those in the ground applauding it annoyed a few people on here. It’s almost like this site isn’t representative of the common, decent Palace fan. Who would have thought that?

Edited by DanH (13 Dec 2020 7.43pm)

Annoyed?
They exercised their right to react however they wanted. I'm all for that.
It is a bit of a stretch to assume that this reflects the opinions of all Palace fans however. They are Palace players, you know, the team you support. That might be a bit of a conflict for starters.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 10.18pm

Originally posted by becky

You have obviously never been to La Fenice!

Booing, throwing stuff and more - and then they are all back the following week............the football is so tame by comparison

I have not. I have though been to The Royal Opera House and I don't suggest you try anything like that there. You'd end up on Tower Hill.

 


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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 13 Dec 20 10.19pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Annoyed?
They exercised their right to react however they wanted. I'm all for that.
It is a bit of a stretch to assume that this reflects the opinions of all Palace fans however. They are Palace players, you know, the team you support. That might be a bit of a conflict for starters.

He doesn’t support Palace, nasty troll. Only interested in political gestures or criticising genuine Palace fans. Another poster who needs to be starved off oxygen on this board.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 10.19pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Please elaborate

It's really obvious.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 13 Dec 20 10.32pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's really obvious.

Do tell, will be interesting what you really think of your fellow Palace supporters

Edited by Spiderman (13 Dec 2020 10.33pm)

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 10.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's kind of boring that you have to spell out the obvious to some.

However, no I have zero problems with higher than average non white representation in sport....as long as it's on merit, which in football I believe it is.

However, I thought I was making an obvious point that the diversity industry within football has an issue with under representation of non whites in coaching and management and indeed on any possible issue that could be described (whether or not it is) as 'discrimination' involving non whites.

However, they turn a blind eye to over representation where it suits them as their very jobs are dependent upon pushing one way victim narratives and has absolutely nothing to do with fairness.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2020 9.07pm)

If that was the point you were making it wasn't obvious.

From all I see the football authorities are aware of the issues and would like to see change, but without any kind of direct interference. They see education, encouragement and opportunity as the way forward. It's not a real difference to that which is found in many areas of life.

Your last paragraph doesn't make any sense at all.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Dec 20 10.36pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

He doesn’t support Palace, nasty troll. Only interested in political gestures or criticising genuine Palace fans. Another poster who needs to be starved off oxygen on this board.

Dan has the reasoning powers of a lobotomized sheep.

Poor lad can't help it.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 10.45pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Do tell, will be interesting what you really think of your fellow Palace supporters

Edited by Spiderman (13 Dec 2020 10.33pm)

OMG. It has nothing at all to do with what I think of other Palace fans.

It only has to do with who they think might consider this site not being representative of them.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 13 Dec 20 10.57pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

OMG. It has nothing at all to do with what I think of other Palace fans.

It only has to do with who they think might consider this site not being representative of them.

Since this site is a forum surely everyone is represented.

 

HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 13 Dec 20 11.03pm

so you're thinking for Palace fans, thank goodness that's not at all condescending of you.

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

OMG. It has nothing at all to do with what I think of other Palace fans.

It only has to do with who they think might consider this site not being representative of them.

 


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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 14 Dec 20 12.10am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Dan has the reasoning powers of a lobotomized sheep.

Poor lad can't help it.

he seems to never participate in discussions, on here, relevant to football or palace.

just a boring political axe to grind, all the time.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Dec 20 12.11am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whether it's the opera or a football match should you do so whilst attending you risk being asked to leave and refused future entry.

How would Shakespeare have known what people liked and wanted? How does anyone in entertainment know. Comedy would be rubbish, but we know they want that stopped as well.

 


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dreamwaverider Flag London 14 Dec 20 3.59am

After the Spurs game I feel that football should finally knock it on the head. It’s given BLM some good exposure but it’s run it’s course. Especially when the likes of Benteke and Son forgot it.

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 14 Dec 20 5.19am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If that was the point you were making it wasn't obvious.

From all I see the football authorities are aware of the issues and would like to see change, but without any kind of direct interference. They see education, encouragement and opportunity as the way forward. It's not a real difference to that which is found in many areas of life.

Your last paragraph doesn't make any sense at all.

It's quite clear. Lots of minorities in jobs on nothing but that fact. That they are minorities.
To fill a form, not because they are best for the role. They may be the best for that role if the selection process was also even on population. If it was about representing on the whole population it would be about 1 in 6 in interviews. Positive discrimination against whites does happen. Most councils and state positions far exceed this ratio.
Asking why that is isnt racist, it's just a question.

 

madcap_v2 Flag SE25 / Ibiza 14 Dec 20 8.11am

Originally posted by cryrst

It's quite clear. Lots of minorities in jobs on nothing but that fact. That they are minorities.
To fill a form, not because they are best for the role. They may be the best for that role if the selection process was also even on population. If it was about representing on the whole population it would be about 1 in 6 in interviews. Positive discrimination against whites does happen. Most councils and state positions far exceed this ratio.
Asking why that is isnt racist, it's just a question.

what's that got to do with football? When Stirling lead with giving examples on football, it really isn't that clear

 


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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Dec 20 8.26am

My interpretation of Taking the knee now is to show the players support of being against racism, not pro BLM.

However, there is no doubt that the lines have become blurred in this respect. And needs to be properly communicated.

 


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madcap_v2 Flag SE25 / Ibiza 14 Dec 20 8.39am

Originally posted by NEILLO

My interpretation of Taking the knee now is to show the players support of being against racism, not pro BLM.

However, there is no doubt that the lines have become blurred in this respect. And needs to be properly communicated.

Agreed. And I'm sure the club put out a tweet to that extent not long after taking the knee started?

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Dec 20 8.46am

Originally posted by NEILLO

My interpretation of Taking the knee now is to show the players support of being against racism, not pro BLM.

However, there is no doubt that the lines have become blurred in this respect. And needs to be properly communicated.

Taking the knee was originally because of black people being murdered by US police. This originally got on people’s nerves of why copy America as usual. I remember a day or two after George Floyd there was a west London black girl on the radio saying her life was in danger every day she left the house. Seriously?

There’s a certain amount of exaggeration and hysteria in 2020. We then of course had social media videos of young black boys (adult in age) refusing to be searched or arrested and either being helped fighting with the police or passers by give the police grief as they pull a knife out of the detained person’s pocket. And still the police are racist or in the wrong.

What really needs to happen is meaningful changes and not futile rubbish, like AJ has hinted at, you just hope it’s sensible and not written by a black panther type again.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 14 Dec 20 8.49am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

he seems to never participate in discussions, on here, relevant to football or palace.

just a boring political axe to grind, all the time.

Whilst I agree with your 2nd paragraph and indeed, he has come out with some very childish posts. tbf he has contributed on football related threads from time to time. More than some others

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Dec 20 10.12am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Taking the knee was originally because of black people being murdered by US police. This originally got on people’s nerves of why copy America as usual. I remember a day or two after George Floyd there was a west London black girl on the radio saying her life was in danger every day she left the house. Seriously?

There’s a certain amount of exaggeration and hysteria in 2020. We then of course had social media videos of young black boys (adult in age) refusing to be searched or arrested and either being helped fighting with the police or passers by give the police grief as they pull a knife out of the detained person’s pocket. And still the police are racist or in the wrong.

What really needs to happen is meaningful changes and not futile rubbish, like AJ has hinted at, you just hope it’s sensible and not written by a black panther type again.

I fully understand how Taking The Knee originated and where.

As I said, my interpretation is that the players are using the gesture to support their anti racism stance. I really don't have a problem with that personally. What I do have a problem with is how it has been re positioned because I think it is now mis understood and a large number of people still directly associate it with BLM - an organisation which has it's own agenda.

I was involved in an online discussion on this topic last week, one of the participants was Sky Sports, and I challenged them to educate more on this subject.

 


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