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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 22 Sep 15 3.38pm

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I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.


Cost for renationalising alone would be GBP 70 billion. In order to meet demand, improvements in track and rolling stock would be an additional tens of billions, if not more.

How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?

Well I wouldn't compensate shareholders in an ideal world, which were talking about here.


We're not talking 'ideal world' we are talking reality, as this will probably be a Corbyn policy.

Therefore please answer questions accordingly.

I am, its clearly somekind of ideal world, where by I end up leader of the nation? I suspect Corbyn sees things in a more kind of 'long term investment plan' why by the state would purchase the railways back at a reasonable or fair price, from treasury funds and revenue and then increasingly susidise travel and improvements through tax rises overtime, towards a goal of reducing the price over time. That's usually how these things tend to work.

Obviously its never actually free: everything has to actually be paid for. The idea is that transport, being subsidized and paid for by the entire population, makes it easily available to all.

I'd forsee rises in taxes for the wealth and rich of the UK, as well as those earning over say 45k a year, under Corbyn.

I don't see taxation as a bad thing, it depends on the return to the public of that revenue.


 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 22 Sep 15 3.42pm

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I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.


Cost for renationalising alone would be GBP 70 billion. In order to meet demand, improvements in track and rolling stock would be an additional tens of billions, if not more.

How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?

Well I wouldn't compensate shareholders in an ideal world, which were talking about here.


The trouble with that angle is that you'd be guilty of theft. And worse still, be working on the same logic as the stupid bitch in charge of Argentina.

Edited by Stuk (22 Sep 2015 2.55pm)

Well yes, although technically only guilty if it wasn't achieved through a legally defined process - Presumably if I've won an election I have a democratic mandate to pursue the statements of my manifesto.

I'm not sure if people have noticed, my politics are very leftwing.


 

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chris123 Flag hove actually 22 Sep 15 3.42pm

Quote matt_himself at 22 Sep 2015 2.19pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.34pm

I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.


Cost for renationalising alone would be GBP 70 billion. In order to meet demand, improvements in track and rolling stock would be an additional tens of billions, if not more.

How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?


I would imagine more likely is the privitisation of Network Rail.

 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 22 Sep 15 3.48pm

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I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.


Cost for renationalising alone would be GBP 70 billion. In order to meet demand, improvements in track and rolling stock would be an additional tens of billions, if not more.

How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?

Well I wouldn't compensate shareholders in an ideal world, which were talking about here.


Firstly, you are saying that you support undermining the rule of ownership? Thereby circumventing contract law for your own ends? This would be a prelude to the collapse of society is you encouraged the state pillaging of property. We would be in a state similar to Zimbabwe. Outside investment in this country would be withdrawn. Foreign and domestic capital flight would occur. How would you replace that and the the jobs that would be sucked out of the country as a result?

Secondly, even if you overcame the near collapse of the country as a result of your actions, that doesn't answer the question of the existing debt and monies needed to upgrade the system in order to cope with the new influx of passengers. Given that by now the UK's credit rating would have plummeted, the wealthy departed for new countries and industry relocated, how would you pay for the upgrades needed?

Well firstly, if I had presumably the power to implement such a policy, I'd either have the democratic mandate to implement the renationalization of the railways specifically, or gained power through some kind of insurrection or massive social shift, so clearly we're expecting somekind of shift from a capitalist economic structure, to a post capitalist one.

So we're in a fantasy land, because my personal views are entirely incompatable with a capitalist system.

Simple question as you are asking for your political views to be taken seriously - your policies would negate ownership laws (forget all this 'mandate' stuff, if some extremist loony got in and said they would slaughter the mentally feeble, would you accept it?), engender capital flight and force foreign investment out of the country, how would you provide jobs for people?

Your views, in my opinion, are not just incompatible with a capitalist system, they are incompatible with reality.

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 22 Sep 15 3.49pm

Quote chris123 at 22 Sep 2015 3.42pm

Quote matt_himself at 22 Sep 2015 2.19pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.34pm

I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.


Cost for renationalising alone would be GBP 70 billion. In order to meet demand, improvements in track and rolling stock would be an additional tens of billions, if not more.

How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?


I would imagine more likely is the privitisation of Network Rail.

Just renationalise line by line as the contracts and tenders (no pun intended railway buffs) expire.

 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 22 Sep 15 3.54pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 3.38pm

Quote matt_himself at 22 Sep 2015 3.09pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 2.44pm

Quote matt_himself at 22 Sep 2015 2.19pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.34pm

I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.


Cost for renationalising alone would be GBP 70 billion. In order to meet demand, improvements in track and rolling stock would be an additional tens of billions, if not more.

How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?

Well I wouldn't compensate shareholders in an ideal world, which were talking about here.


We're not talking 'ideal world' we are talking reality, as this will probably be a Corbyn policy.

Therefore please answer questions accordingly.

I am, its clearly somekind of ideal world, where by I end up leader of the nation? I suspect Corbyn sees things in a more kind of 'long term investment plan' why by the state would purchase the railways back at a reasonable or fair price, from treasury funds and revenue and then increasingly susidise travel and improvements through tax rises overtime, towards a goal of reducing the price over time. That's usually how these things tend to work.

Obviously its never actually free: everything has to actually be paid for. The idea is that transport, being subsidized and paid for by the entire population, makes it easily available to all.

I'd forsee rises in taxes for the wealth and rich of the UK, as well as those earning over say 45k a year, under Corbyn.

I don't see taxation as a bad thing, it depends on the return to the public of that revenue.



45k doesnt get you much these days and many 'working class' people, not that I agree that that label is relevant in a post industrial, global economy & society, earn that. Therefore, Corbyn is going to hurt those he is looking to help.

Second thing, taxes and taxation is not a bad thing, it is a cornerstone of society, however, nationalisation has never really worked in this country and a litany of examples from British Leyland to ICL to British Steel and so on demonstrates that British governments are worse and more blinkered than the private sector in running business. Therefore, if Corbyn got his way, what is there to stop a situation where taxpayers money goes into a blackhole that supports the political aims of his party rather than providing taxpayer value?

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
matt_himself Flag Matataland 22 Sep 15 3.55pm

Quote nickgusset at 22 Sep 2015 3.49pm

Quote chris123 at 22 Sep 2015 3.42pm

Quote matt_himself at 22 Sep 2015 2.19pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.34pm

I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.


Cost for renationalising alone would be GBP 70 billion. In order to meet demand, improvements in track and rolling stock would be an additional tens of billions, if not more.

How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?


I would imagine more likely is the privitisation of Network Rail.

Just renationalise line by line as the contracts and tenders (no pun intended railway buffs) expire.


That is contrary to EU law. Nationalised companies cannot participate in transport/rail tenders. Whats the way around this? Leave the EU?

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
Stuk Flag Top half 22 Sep 15 4.07pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 3.42pm

Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 2.55pm

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Quote matt_himself at 22 Sep 2015 2.19pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.34pm

I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.


Cost for renationalising alone would be GBP 70 billion. In order to meet demand, improvements in track and rolling stock would be an additional tens of billions, if not more.

How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?

Well I wouldn't compensate shareholders in an ideal world, which were talking about here.


The trouble with that angle is that you'd be guilty of theft. And worse still, be working on the same logic as the stupid bitch in charge of Argentina.

Edited by Stuk (22 Sep 2015 2.55pm)

Well yes, although technically only guilty if it wasn't achieved through a legally defined process - Presumably if I've won an election I have a democratic mandate to pursue the statements of my manifesto.

I'm not sure if people have noticed, my politics are very leftwing.


Crazy Argie bitch thought the same, she was wrong.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 22 Sep 15 4.11pm

Quote matt_himself at 22 Sep 2015 3.48pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 3.32pm

Quote matt_himself at 22 Sep 2015 3.08pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 2.44pm

Quote matt_himself at 22 Sep 2015 2.19pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.34pm

I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.


Cost for renationalising alone would be GBP 70 billion. In order to meet demand, improvements in track and rolling stock would be an additional tens of billions, if not more.

How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?

Well I wouldn't compensate shareholders in an ideal world, which were talking about here.


Firstly, you are saying that you support undermining the rule of ownership? Thereby circumventing contract law for your own ends? This would be a prelude to the collapse of society is you encouraged the state pillaging of property. We would be in a state similar to Zimbabwe. Outside investment in this country would be withdrawn. Foreign and domestic capital flight would occur. How would you replace that and the the jobs that would be sucked out of the country as a result?

Secondly, even if you overcame the near collapse of the country as a result of your actions, that doesn't answer the question of the existing debt and monies needed to upgrade the system in order to cope with the new influx of passengers. Given that by now the UK's credit rating would have plummeted, the wealthy departed for new countries and industry relocated, how would you pay for the upgrades needed?

Well firstly, if I had presumably the power to implement such a policy, I'd either have the democratic mandate to implement the renationalization of the railways specifically, or gained power through some kind of insurrection or massive social shift, so clearly we're expecting somekind of shift from a capitalist economic structure, to a post capitalist one.

So we're in a fantasy land, because my personal views are entirely incompatable with a capitalist system.

Simple question as you are asking for your political views to be taken seriously - your policies would negate ownership laws (forget all this 'mandate' stuff, if some extremist loony got in and said they would slaughter the mentally feeble, would you accept it?), engender capital flight and force foreign investment out of the country, how would you provide jobs for people?

Your views, in my opinion, are not just incompatible with a capitalist system, they are incompatible with reality.

Probably true in this case.

Probably would, having thought about it, be more viable to make all public transport tax deductible for each individual, in a more pragmatic methodology (and maybe a 0% loan program for citizens to purchase season tickets, that's credited from their travel claims).


 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 22 Sep 15 4.12pm

Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 4.07pm

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I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.


Cost for renationalising alone would be GBP 70 billion. In order to meet demand, improvements in track and rolling stock would be an additional tens of billions, if not more.

How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?

Well I wouldn't compensate shareholders in an ideal world, which were talking about here.


The trouble with that angle is that you'd be guilty of theft. And worse still, be working on the same logic as the stupid bitch in charge of Argentina.

Edited by Stuk (22 Sep 2015 2.55pm)

Well yes, although technically only guilty if it wasn't achieved through a legally defined process - Presumably if I've won an election I have a democratic mandate to pursue the statements of my manifesto.

I'm not sure if people have noticed, my politics are very leftwing.


Crazy Argie bitch thought the same, she was wrong.

I would though, right up her General Belgrano.


 

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 22 Sep 15 4.13pm

Quote matt_himself at 22 Sep 2015 3.55pm

Quote nickgusset at 22 Sep 2015 3.49pm

Quote chris123 at 22 Sep 2015 3.42pm

Quote matt_himself at 22 Sep 2015 2.19pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.34pm

I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.


Cost for renationalising alone would be GBP 70 billion. In order to meet demand, improvements in track and rolling stock would be an additional tens of billions, if not more.

How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?


I would imagine more likely is the privitisation of Network Rail.

Just renationalise line by line as the contracts and tenders (no pun intended railway buffs) expire.


That is contrary to EU law. Nationalised companies cannot participate in transport/rail tenders. Whats the way around this? Leave the EU?

Should always be an option. The EU needs to be reformed to serve the interests of citizens and nations, over those of corporate and business interests.


 

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chris123 Flag hove actually 22 Sep 15 4.20pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 3.42pm

Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 2.55pm

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 2.44pm

Quote matt_himself at 22 Sep 2015 2.19pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.34pm

I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.


Cost for renationalising alone would be GBP 70 billion. In order to meet demand, improvements in track and rolling stock would be an additional tens of billions, if not more.

How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?

Well I wouldn't compensate shareholders in an ideal world, which were talking about here.


The trouble with that angle is that you'd be guilty of theft. And worse still, be working on the same logic as the stupid bitch in charge of Argentina.

Edited by Stuk (22 Sep 2015 2.55pm)

Well yes, although technically only guilty if it wasn't achieved through a legally defined process - Presumably if I've won an election I have a democratic mandate to pursue the statements of my manifesto.

I'm not sure if people have noticed, my politics are very leftwing.


Absolutely not, as Greece has demonstrated. Promising the undeliverable does not make it possible, nor is it democratic.

 
jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 22 Sep 15 4.24pm

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I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.


Cost for renationalising alone would be GBP 70 billion. In order to meet demand, improvements in track and rolling stock would be an additional tens of billions, if not more.

How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?

Well I wouldn't compensate shareholders in an ideal world, which were talking about here.


The trouble with that angle is that you'd be guilty of theft. And worse still, be working on the same logic as the stupid bitch in charge of Argentina.

Edited by Stuk (22 Sep 2015 2.55pm)

Well yes, although technically only guilty if it wasn't achieved through a legally defined process - Presumably if I've won an election I have a democratic mandate to pursue the statements of my manifesto.

I'm not sure if people have noticed, my politics are very leftwing.


Absolutely not, as Greece has demonstrated. Promising the undeliverable does not make it possible, nor is it democratic.

true. I never really said it was in any way a real possibility, only something I believe in; the idea of a public transport system that's free at point of use, or very cheap (subsidized), and why I believe that (I don't believe people should have to pay to actually go to work).


 

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npn Flag Crowborough 22 Sep 15 4.30pm

Supposing for a moment it were even possible, or sane (it isn't either), how do you think all these people who can now leave the car at home and travel by this wonderful free travel network actually going to fit on?

Most services in to London are full and standing before they get within half an hour of the city. So not only do we take on the expense of the network as is, we also presumably need to fund incredible levels of investment into infrastructure, stations, rolling stock, etc.

Bibble!

 
Stuk Flag Top half 22 Sep 15 4.32pm

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I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.


Cost for renationalising alone would be GBP 70 billion. In order to meet demand, improvements in track and rolling stock would be an additional tens of billions, if not more.

How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?

Well I wouldn't compensate shareholders in an ideal world, which were talking about here.


The trouble with that angle is that you'd be guilty of theft. And worse still, be working on the same logic as the stupid bitch in charge of Argentina.

Edited by Stuk (22 Sep 2015 2.55pm)

Well yes, although technically only guilty if it wasn't achieved through a legally defined process - Presumably if I've won an election I have a democratic mandate to pursue the statements of my manifesto.

I'm not sure if people have noticed, my politics are very leftwing.


Crazy Argie bitch thought the same, she was wrong.

I would though, right up her General Belgrano.


Her skin appears to be falling off her face nowadays.

 

Optimistic as ever
chris123 Flag hove actually 22 Sep 15 4.33pm

Quote npn at 22 Sep 2015 4.30pm

Supposing for a moment it were even possible, or sane (it isn't either), how do you think all these people who can now leave the car at home and travel by this wonderful free travel network actually going to fit on?

Most services in to London are full and standing before they get within half an hour of the city. So not only do we take on the expense of the network as is, we also presumably need to fund incredible levels of investment into infrastructure, stations, rolling stock, etc.

Bibble!


Walk.

 
Part Time James Flag 22 Sep 15 4.35pm

Quote npn at 22 Sep 2015 4.30pm

Supposing for a moment it were even possible, or sane (it isn't either), how do you think all these people who can now leave the car at home and travel by this wonderful free travel network actually going to fit on?

Most services in to London are full and standing before they get within half an hour of the city. So not only do we take on the expense of the network as is, we also presumably need to fund incredible levels of investment into infrastructure, stations, rolling stock, etc.

Bibble!


Because they'd be able to replace all the roads with more rails and then they could lay on extra trains.

This would also generate extra work for train drivers, ticket collectors and people who polish the railway lines.

The only downside would be people that do MOTs or vacuum cars would have to develop a different skill set to remain employable.

Swings and roundabouts.

 
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I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.


Cost for renationalising alone would be GBP 70 billion. In order to meet demand, improvements in track and rolling stock would be an additional tens of billions, if not more.

How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?


I would imagine more likely is the privitisation of Network Rail.

Just renationalise line by line as the contracts and tenders (no pun intended railway buffs) expire.


That is contrary to EU law. Nationalised companies cannot participate in transport/rail tenders. Whats the way around this? Leave the EU?

Not at all. The French state already run a large number of services in the UK. Until recently the East Coast mainline was state owned but the Tories couldn't bear to allow it to succeed. It was returning more money to the treasury than its privitized competitors - so the people who own the Tory party made sure it was killed off.

It is simply a case of letting the existing franchises run down

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Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 22 Sep 15 4.47pm

Quote matt_himself at 22 Sep 2015 2.19pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.34pm

I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.


Cost for renationalising alone would be GBP 70 billion. In order to meet demand, improvements in track and rolling stock would be an additional tens of billions, if not more.

How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?

What is your source for the £70m?

 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 22 Sep 15 5.38pm

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I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.


Cost for renationalising alone would be GBP 70 billion. In order to meet demand, improvements in track and rolling stock would be an additional tens of billions, if not more.

How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?


I would imagine more likely is the privitisation of Network Rail.

Just renationalise line by line as the contracts and tenders (no pun intended railway buffs) expire.


That is contrary to EU law. Nationalised companies cannot participate in transport/rail tenders. Whats the way around this? Leave the EU?

Not at all. The French state already run a large number of services in the UK. Until recently the East Coast mainline was state owned but the Tories couldn't bear to allow it to succeed. It was returning more money to the treasury than its privitized competitors - so the people who own the Tory party made sure it was killed off.

It is simply a case of letting the existing franchises run down

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Wrong!

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