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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 May 15 7.22pm

Quote derben at 12 May 2015 6.56pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.50pm

Quote OldFella at 12 May 2015 6.42pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.33pm

'Anti gay' MP appointed minister for equality! Well done Dave.


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Anti union laws to be passed...

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The Tories didn't get 40% of the popular vote, so presumably means they do not consider themselves legitimate? After any ballot, it is usually the case that far more strike than vote.
They are also intent on attacking other rights - inc Human Rights Act.
However, what goes around comes around and they may slow things down, but then when that threshold is reached those involved will be angrier. So mad, they won't take it any more.
Another thing they won't have considered is that one of the reasons for restraint is that national unions when striking have been able to steer the vote and strike as they've considered not the turnout but the size of support. That has meant that although the left has never been entirely satisfied, there have been protests. If they put workers in a situation that they have no choice, walkouts, unofficial strikes are more likely, not less likely

Pricless watching you lefties moaning and whingeing because the election and subsequent events not going your way. Think you're going to have to get used to it!



Better get used to more of this...
Money IDS has received from the public purse recently for family properties...

Still you voted for this kind of thing to continue.

zzzzzzzzzzzz


Yes you snooze through or ignore all of this.

 
derben Flag 12 May 15 7.50pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 7.22pm

Quote derben at 12 May 2015 6.56pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.50pm

Quote OldFella at 12 May 2015 6.42pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.33pm

'Anti gay' MP appointed minister for equality! Well done Dave.


[Link]


Anti union laws to be passed...

[Link]


The Tories didn't get 40% of the popular vote, so presumably means they do not consider themselves legitimate? After any ballot, it is usually the case that far more strike than vote.
They are also intent on attacking other rights - inc Human Rights Act.
However, what goes around comes around and they may slow things down, but then when that threshold is reached those involved will be angrier. So mad, they won't take it any more.
Another thing they won't have considered is that one of the reasons for restraint is that national unions when striking have been able to steer the vote and strike as they've considered not the turnout but the size of support. That has meant that although the left has never been entirely satisfied, there have been protests. If they put workers in a situation that they have no choice, walkouts, unofficial strikes are more likely, not less likely

Pricless watching you lefties moaning and whingeing because the election and subsequent events not going your way. Think you're going to have to get used to it!



Better get used to more of this...
Money IDS has received from the public purse recently for family properties...

Still you voted for this kind of thing to continue.

zzzzzzzzzzzz


Yes you snooze through or ignore all of this.

Wake me up when you post something substantial, rather than the usual links to dubious propaganda.

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 May 15 7.53pm

Quote derben at 12 May 2015 7.50pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 7.22pm

Quote derben at 12 May 2015 6.56pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.50pm

Quote OldFella at 12 May 2015 6.42pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.33pm

'Anti gay' MP appointed minister for equality! Well done Dave.


[Link]


Anti union laws to be passed...

[Link]


The Tories didn't get 40% of the popular vote, so presumably means they do not consider themselves legitimate? After any ballot, it is usually the case that far more strike than vote.
They are also intent on attacking other rights - inc Human Rights Act.
However, what goes around comes around and they may slow things down, but then when that threshold is reached those involved will be angrier. So mad, they won't take it any more.
Another thing they won't have considered is that one of the reasons for restraint is that national unions when striking have been able to steer the vote and strike as they've considered not the turnout but the size of support. That has meant that although the left has never been entirely satisfied, there have been protests. If they put workers in a situation that they have no choice, walkouts, unofficial strikes are more likely, not less likely

Pricless watching you lefties moaning and whingeing because the election and subsequent events not going your way. Think you're going to have to get used to it!



Better get used to more of this...
Money IDS has received from the public purse recently for family properties...

Still you voted for this kind of thing to continue.

zzzzzzzzzzzz


Yes you snooze through or ignore all of this.

Wake me up when you post something substantial, rather than the usual links to dubious propaganda.

Are you saying that hundreds of thousands being 'scrounged' by IDS is insubstantial?

 
derben Flag 12 May 15 7.58pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 7.53pm

Quote derben at 12 May 2015 7.50pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 7.22pm

Quote derben at 12 May 2015 6.56pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.50pm

Quote OldFella at 12 May 2015 6.42pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.33pm

'Anti gay' MP appointed minister for equality! Well done Dave.


[Link]


Anti union laws to be passed...

[Link]


The Tories didn't get 40% of the popular vote, so presumably means they do not consider themselves legitimate? After any ballot, it is usually the case that far more strike than vote.
They are also intent on attacking other rights - inc Human Rights Act.
However, what goes around comes around and they may slow things down, but then when that threshold is reached those involved will be angrier. So mad, they won't take it any more.
Another thing they won't have considered is that one of the reasons for restraint is that national unions when striking have been able to steer the vote and strike as they've considered not the turnout but the size of support. That has meant that although the left has never been entirely satisfied, there have been protests. If they put workers in a situation that they have no choice, walkouts, unofficial strikes are more likely, not less likely

Pricless watching you lefties moaning and whingeing because the election and subsequent events not going your way. Think you're going to have to get used to it!



Better get used to more of this...
Money IDS has received from the public purse recently for family properties...

Still you voted for this kind of thing to continue.

zzzzzzzzzzzz


Yes you snooze through or ignore all of this.

Wake me up when you post something substantial, rather than the usual links to dubious propaganda.

Are you saying that hundreds of thousands being 'scrounged' by IDS is insubstantial?

All I saw on the link was a piece of paper with some numbers on it, total nonsense I expect.

 
derben Flag 12 May 15 8.12pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.50pm

Quote OldFella at 12 May 2015 6.42pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.33pm

'Anti gay' MP appointed minister for equality! Well done Dave.


[Link]


Anti union laws to be passed...

[Link]


The Tories didn't get 40% of the popular vote, so presumably means they do not consider themselves legitimate? After any ballot, it is usually the case that far more strike than vote.
They are also intent on attacking other rights - inc Human Rights Act.
However, what goes around comes around and they may slow things down, but then when that threshold is reached those involved will be angrier. So mad, they won't take it any more.
Another thing they won't have considered is that one of the reasons for restraint is that national unions when striking have been able to steer the vote and strike as they've considered not the turnout but the size of support. That has meant that although the left has never been entirely satisfied, there have been protests. If they put workers in a situation that they have no choice, walkouts, unofficial strikes are more likely, not less likely

Pricless watching you lefties moaning and whingeing because the election and subsequent events not going your way. Think you're going to have to get used to it!



Better get used to more of this...
Money IDS has received from the public purse recently for family properties...

Still you voted for this kind of thing to continue.

From the Guardian so must be true:

"Swanbourne Home Farms, run in partnership between the minister's in-laws, Baron and Baroness Cottesloe, brother-in-law Thomas, and cousin Richard Brooks, has been given €1,517,535 over a 10-year period in funding from the EU. It has also been the recipient of grants understood to be worth tens of thousands of pounds from Natural England.

Described by the EU as "income support" for farmers, these common agricultural policy payments were established by the 1957 treaty of Rome to ensure "fair standard of living for the agricultural community". None of it goes to the Duncan Smiths.

"Neither Iain Duncan Smith or his wife receive any income whatsoever from the Swanbourne Estate," his spokesman says. And few would quibble with the payments themselves. Still, it shows that the best of us need a hand from time to time."


I love it that this terrible scandal, as you perceive it, is courtesy of the EU Common Agricultural Policy - something you no doubt champion as 'progressive' (and anti-austerity?).

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 May 15 8.21pm

Quote derben at 12 May 2015 7.58pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 7.53pm

Quote derben at 12 May 2015 7.50pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 7.22pm

Quote derben at 12 May 2015 6.56pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.50pm

Quote OldFella at 12 May 2015 6.42pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.33pm

'Anti gay' MP appointed minister for equality! Well done Dave.


[Link]


Anti union laws to be passed...

[Link]


The Tories didn't get 40% of the popular vote, so presumably means they do not consider themselves legitimate? After any ballot, it is usually the case that far more strike than vote.
They are also intent on attacking other rights - inc Human Rights Act.
However, what goes around comes around and they may slow things down, but then when that threshold is reached those involved will be angrier. So mad, they won't take it any more.
Another thing they won't have considered is that one of the reasons for restraint is that national unions when striking have been able to steer the vote and strike as they've considered not the turnout but the size of support. That has meant that although the left has never been entirely satisfied, there have been protests. If they put workers in a situation that they have no choice, walkouts, unofficial strikes are more likely, not less likely

Pricless watching you lefties moaning and whingeing because the election and subsequent events not going your way. Think you're going to have to get used to it!



Better get used to more of this...
Money IDS has received from the public purse recently for family properties...

Still you voted for this kind of thing to continue.

zzzzzzzzzzzz


Yes you snooze through or ignore all of this.

Wake me up when you post something substantial, rather than the usual links to dubious propaganda.

Are you saying that hundreds of thousands being 'scrounged' by IDS is insubstantial?

All I saw on the link was a piece of paper with some numbers on it, total nonsense I expect.


Matthew, you have already said you don't read the links.

 
TUX Flag redhill 12 May 15 8.29pm

Quote OldFella at 12 May 2015 6.42pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.33pm

'Anti gay' MP appointed minister for equality! Well done Dave.


[Link]


Anti union laws to be passed...

[Link]


The Tories didn't get 40% of the popular vote, so presumably means they do not consider themselves legitimate? After any ballot, it is usually the case that far more strike than vote.
They are also intent on attacking other rights - inc Human Rights Act.
However, what goes around comes around and they may slow things down, but then when that threshold is reached those involved will be angrier. So mad, they won't take it any more.
Another thing they won't have considered is that one of the reasons for restraint is that national unions when striking have been able to steer the vote and strike as they've considered not the turnout but the size of support. That has meant that although the left has never been entirely satisfied, there have been protests. If they put workers in a situation that they have no choice, walkouts, unofficial strikes are more likely, not less likely

Pricless watching you lefties moaning and whingeing because the election and subsequent events not going your way. Think you're going to have to get used to it!


The subsequent events aren't going your way either.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


You've been suckered but you just can't see it.
Divide and rule..................is working a treat.

 
Stuk Flag Top half 12 May 15 8.29pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 8.21pm

Quote derben at 12 May 2015 7.58pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 7.53pm

Quote derben at 12 May 2015 7.50pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 7.22pm

Quote derben at 12 May 2015 6.56pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.50pm

Quote OldFella at 12 May 2015 6.42pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.33pm

'Anti gay' MP appointed minister for equality! Well done Dave.


[Link]


Anti union laws to be passed...

[Link]


The Tories didn't get 40% of the popular vote, so presumably means they do not consider themselves legitimate? After any ballot, it is usually the case that far more strike than vote.
They are also intent on attacking other rights - inc Human Rights Act.
However, what goes around comes around and they may slow things down, but then when that threshold is reached those involved will be angrier. So mad, they won't take it any more.
Another thing they won't have considered is that one of the reasons for restraint is that national unions when striking have been able to steer the vote and strike as they've considered not the turnout but the size of support. That has meant that although the left has never been entirely satisfied, there have been protests. If they put workers in a situation that they have no choice, walkouts, unofficial strikes are more likely, not less likely

Pricless watching you lefties moaning and whingeing because the election and subsequent events not going your way. Think you're going to have to get used to it!



Better get used to more of this...
Money IDS has received from the public purse recently for family properties...

Still you voted for this kind of thing to continue.

zzzzzzzzzzzz


Yes you snooze through or ignore all of this.

Wake me up when you post something substantial, rather than the usual links to dubious propaganda.

Are you saying that hundreds of thousands being 'scrounged' by IDS is insubstantial?

All I saw on the link was a piece of paper with some numbers on it, total nonsense I expect.


Matthew, you have already said you don't read the links.


Post on here what the graph means (not a link to an article on it), as I have no idea what you're point is/was by it either.

 

Optimistic as ever
cb1969 Flag Back in the 'hood 12 May 15 8.35pm

The pride of South West one
South West one's number one
You know it's true
He's not red but blue

 
pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 12 May 15 8.44pm

Oh you silly thing
You've really gone and done it now

 

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
npn Flag Crowborough 13 May 15 8.11am

Quote TUX at 12 May 2015 8.29pm

Quote OldFella at 12 May 2015 6.42pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.33pm

'Anti gay' MP appointed minister for equality! Well done Dave.


[Link]


Anti union laws to be passed...

[Link]


The Tories didn't get 40% of the popular vote, so presumably means they do not consider themselves legitimate? After any ballot, it is usually the case that far more strike than vote.
They are also intent on attacking other rights - inc Human Rights Act.
However, what goes around comes around and they may slow things down, but then when that threshold is reached those involved will be angrier. So mad, they won't take it any more.
Another thing they won't have considered is that one of the reasons for restraint is that national unions when striking have been able to steer the vote and strike as they've considered not the turnout but the size of support. That has meant that although the left has never been entirely satisfied, there have been protests. If they put workers in a situation that they have no choice, walkouts, unofficial strikes are more likely, not less likely

Pricless watching you lefties moaning and whingeing because the election and subsequent events not going your way. Think you're going to have to get used to it!


The subsequent events aren't going your way either.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


You've been suckered but you just can't see it.
Divide and rule..................is working a treat.


Why do you insist that anyone who voted Tory must have been suckered into it? Can't you accept that many people weighed up the pros and cons, compared austerity to the alternatives, and decided it was the best way to go?

For what it's worth, I didn't vote Tory, but I won't just write off those that did as having been fooled in some way.

 
Hoof Hearted 13 May 15 10.55am

Quote npn at 13 May 2015 8.11am

Quote TUX at 12 May 2015 8.29pm

Quote OldFella at 12 May 2015 6.42pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.33pm

'Anti gay' MP appointed minister for equality! Well done Dave.


[Link]


Anti union laws to be passed...

[Link]


The Tories didn't get 40% of the popular vote, so presumably means they do not consider themselves legitimate? After any ballot, it is usually the case that far more strike than vote.
They are also intent on attacking other rights - inc Human Rights Act.
However, what goes around comes around and they may slow things down, but then when that threshold is reached those involved will be angrier. So mad, they won't take it any more.
Another thing they won't have considered is that one of the reasons for restraint is that national unions when striking have been able to steer the vote and strike as they've considered not the turnout but the size of support. That has meant that although the left has never been entirely satisfied, there have been protests. If they put workers in a situation that they have no choice, walkouts, unofficial strikes are more likely, not less likely

Pricless watching you lefties moaning and whingeing because the election and subsequent events not going your way. Think you're going to have to get used to it!


The subsequent events aren't going your way either.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


You've been suckered but you just can't see it.
Divide and rule..................is working a treat.


Why do you insist that anyone who voted Tory must have been suckered into it? Can't you accept that many people weighed up the pros and cons, compared austerity to the alternatives, and decided it was the best way to go?

For what it's worth, I didn't vote Tory, but I won't just write off those that did as having been fooled in some way.


For what it's worth I still find it astounding that people still voted for Labour when their leader looked and sounded an utter twerp, his deputy financially clueless, they had no coherent plan to cut the deficit and their track record is one of overspending and criminal waste of taxpayer's money on an industrial scale.

Utter morons.

 
Kermit8 Flag Hevon 13 May 15 11.11am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 13 May 2015 10.55am

Quote npn at 13 May 2015 8.11am

Quote TUX at 12 May 2015 8.29pm

Quote OldFella at 12 May 2015 6.42pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.33pm

'Anti gay' MP appointed minister for equality! Well done Dave.


[Link]


Anti union laws to be passed...

[Link]


The Tories didn't get 40% of the popular vote, so presumably means they do not consider themselves legitimate? After any ballot, it is usually the case that far more strike than vote.
They are also intent on attacking other rights - inc Human Rights Act.
However, what goes around comes around and they may slow things down, but then when that threshold is reached those involved will be angrier. So mad, they won't take it any more.
Another thing they won't have considered is that one of the reasons for restraint is that national unions when striking have been able to steer the vote and strike as they've considered not the turnout but the size of support. That has meant that although the left has never been entirely satisfied, there have been protests. If they put workers in a situation that they have no choice, walkouts, unofficial strikes are more likely, not less likely

Pricless watching you lefties moaning and whingeing because the election and subsequent events not going your way. Think you're going to have to get used to it!


The subsequent events aren't going your way either.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


You've been suckered but you just can't see it.
Divide and rule..................is working a treat.


Why do you insist that anyone who voted Tory must have been suckered into it? Can't you accept that many people weighed up the pros and cons, compared austerity to the alternatives, and decided it was the best way to go?

For what it's worth, I didn't vote Tory, but I won't just write off those that did as having been fooled in some way.


For what it's worth I still find it astounding that people still voted for Labour when their leader looked and sounded an utter twerp, his deputy financially clueless, they had no coherent plan to cut the deficit and their track record is one of overspending and criminal waste of taxpayer's money on an industrial scale.

Utter morons.


You could swap 'Labour' for 'UKIP' in most of that post quite easily too Hoof

Edited by Kermit8 (13 May 2015 11.12am)

 

Big chest and massive boobs

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Hoof Hearted 13 May 15 11.20am

Quote Kermit8 at 13 May 2015 11.11am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 13 May 2015 10.55am

Quote npn at 13 May 2015 8.11am

Quote TUX at 12 May 2015 8.29pm

Quote OldFella at 12 May 2015 6.42pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.33pm

'Anti gay' MP appointed minister for equality! Well done Dave.


[Link]


Anti union laws to be passed...

[Link]


The Tories didn't get 40% of the popular vote, so presumably means they do not consider themselves legitimate? After any ballot, it is usually the case that far more strike than vote.
They are also intent on attacking other rights - inc Human Rights Act.
However, what goes around comes around and they may slow things down, but then when that threshold is reached those involved will be angrier. So mad, they won't take it any more.
Another thing they won't have considered is that one of the reasons for restraint is that national unions when striking have been able to steer the vote and strike as they've considered not the turnout but the size of support. That has meant that although the left has never been entirely satisfied, there have been protests. If they put workers in a situation that they have no choice, walkouts, unofficial strikes are more likely, not less likely

Pricless watching you lefties moaning and whingeing because the election and subsequent events not going your way. Think you're going to have to get used to it!


The subsequent events aren't going your way either.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


You've been suckered but you just can't see it.
Divide and rule..................is working a treat.


Why do you insist that anyone who voted Tory must have been suckered into it? Can't you accept that many people weighed up the pros and cons, compared austerity to the alternatives, and decided it was the best way to go?

For what it's worth, I didn't vote Tory, but I won't just write off those that did as having been fooled in some way.


For what it's worth I still find it astounding that people still voted for Labour when their leader looked and sounded an utter twerp, his deputy financially clueless, they had no coherent plan to cut the deficit and their track record is one of overspending and criminal waste of taxpayer's money on an industrial scale.

Utter morons.


You could swap 'Labour' for 'UKIP' in most of that post quite easily too Hoof

Edited by Kermit8 (13 May 2015 11.12am)


Cheeky!

I'll let you off as I like you Michael. X

 
imbored Flag UK 14 May 15 6.51pm

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Scrapping of the Human Rights Act already on the ropes

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 May 15 9.18pm

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More lefty propaganda from itv.

but Gordon sold the gold

 
Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 20 May 15 9.26pm

Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 6.51pm

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Scrapping of the Human Rights Act already on the ropes


Thank F*** for that! this is well overdue!

Now we can introduce something that protects everyone - not just the guilty with a clever lawyer

 

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 22 May 15 7.31am

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This'll make it easier to get s***e legislation through.

 
derben Flag 22 May 15 7.41am

Quote nickgusset at 22 May 2015 7.31am

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This'll make it easier to get s***e legislation through.

Great, a bit less government and bureaucracy.

 
Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 22 May 15 9.54am

Quote npn at 13 May 2015 8.11am

Quote TUX at 12 May 2015 8.29pm

Quote OldFella at 12 May 2015 6.42pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 6.33pm

'Anti gay' MP appointed minister for equality! Well done Dave.


[Link]


Anti union laws to be passed...

[Link]


The Tories didn't get 40% of the popular vote, so presumably means they do not consider themselves legitimate? After any ballot, it is usually the case that far more strike than vote.
They are also intent on attacking other rights - inc Human Rights Act.
However, what goes around comes around and they may slow things down, but then when that threshold is reached those involved will be angrier. So mad, they won't take it any more.
Another thing they won't have considered is that one of the reasons for restraint is that national unions when striking have been able to steer the vote and strike as they've considered not the turnout but the size of support. That has meant that although the left has never been entirely satisfied, there have been protests. If they put workers in a situation that they have no choice, walkouts, unofficial strikes are more likely, not less likely

Pricless watching you lefties moaning and whingeing because the election and subsequent events not going your way. Think you're going to have to get used to it!


The subsequent events aren't going your way either.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


You've been suckered but you just can't see it.
Divide and rule..................is working a treat.


Why do you insist that anyone who voted Tory must have been suckered into it? Can't you accept that many people weighed up the pros and cons, compared austerity to the alternatives, and decided it was the best way to go?

For what it's worth, I didn't vote Tory, but I won't just write off those that did as having been fooled in some way.

That is the general post election tone. If labour and it's supporters aren't careful they will just alienate even more voters.

Essentially the message has been: The electorate are a bit thick and just didn't get it. When in fact it was the politicians who were a bit thick and just didn't get it.

And I didn't vote Conservative either

 

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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