Oh do me a favour.

Ali was and will always be The Greatest. Leave your politics at the door on this one.

RIP Champ.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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Just to add...3,959 black men, women, and children were lynched in the twelve Southern states between 1877 and 1950.

What year was Ali born in again?

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It's not difficult to be suspicious of the Catholic church or anyone promoting it, given it's track record.

*DISCLAIMER*. Other religions are available for criticism.

I don't know too much about the woman so I can't comment further.

I think I tend to concur with how you see it with minor differences of emphasis perhaps but essentially I'd agree with you.

What has kind of annoyed me is the white washing of Ali as some truly great human being outside of the ring.

He was a good man who had some seriously wrong headed views for the majority of his productive life.....To an extent I agree with the 'angry young black man suffering injustice' line but it has to be remembered that many many black men didn't follow his reactionary path but instead followed the steps of people like MLK....and thank god they did....Because it was though the efforts of Doctor King and co that laws were changed....Not your angry men in the Nation of Islam....All they did was cause deeper diversion.

His attitude to Vietham service compared to those black man who served was unforgivable in many ways....It does truly sicken me to see Obama completely disregard the blood given by them by praising a conscientious objector as the greatest human.....Personally I regard any black man who served his country in war as far more honourable than Ali.

Also the slurs on mixed race children and white people certainly should have seen far more contrition later on in life than they received.

He did not divide down between good white people or bad white people....To Ali they were all snakes.

If he had genuinely changed his views later on in life then he should have made those statements publicly known.....Just like he did his racist statements.

But essentially....Ali was obviously a good man....Just one I can never think was great outside the ring.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Oh I see, black racism is acceptable if you yourself are discriminated against. So to be a black separatist is an understandable response.....Even in an era where very few black men agreed.

I think you are an apologist for extreme behaviour.

The fact is that Ali is praised and his racism ignored or minimized by most yet Hogan did far far less than Ali ever did on race yet is regarded as a terrible human being is sheer hypocrisy in my book.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I think you are looking for a level of wisdom that a man with the background of Ali was never going to have, certainly as a young man.
Undoubtedly his less favorable tenancies have been overlooked because of the balance of positives.
There is of course a large element of politics involved. Ali was a role model to many, most importantly I would suggest, to young black men of similar backgrounds. To blemish his reputation further would serve no practical purpose beyond being divisive and counterproductive.

Ali's life is there for all to see and we must make our own judgment. Politicians will say what suits their agenda.

You should read it Nick....and the hadiths.

Everything is open to interpretation but the Qoran obviously is no different but it is certainly very different to the Bible in many important respects.

The Bible is recognised as being written by man inspired by God.....The Bible is meant to be viewed as as man's interpretation.

However, the Quran is meant to be the written words of God. Old Mo isn't interpreting the words of God, he is literally writing them down. The book text itself prohibits any changes.

Hence when old Mo has sex with a nine year old and has whole Jewish tribes beheaded from the teenage boys up and divides their women as sex slaves for him and his men......It's kind of hard to see much room for interpretation.

Those Muslims protesting and indeed fighting against IS are obviously good Muslims.....But Islam itself has a huge problem....and that problem is its religious books themselves and the societies around the globe that seek to enact its laws.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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You're really not very smart are you?