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Badger11 Beckenham 14 Mar 20 7.48am
The influence of TV in sport, especially football. Sky BT etc. have paid a fortune for the TV rights they are not going to be able to show it live for at least 1 month and probably a lot longer. This will cause a huge hole in their scheduling and their viewing figures will collapse after all you can only watch Man United the glory years so many times. BT has already announced that it will not refund customers who are paying for BT Sport and getting repeats. No doubt Sky will take a similar stance so some unhappy customers will be trapped in a contract others will just cancel. Even when sport resumes this will still be a major problem for TV. Assuming lots of games will be played in a fairly short space of time they will be forced to choose which games to show. The TV schedule is drawn up so that each week the big boys are shown live normally on a Sunday or Monday when the schedule is clear for best ratings. At best they may show 3/4 games a night but that will split the viewing figures. Football will not admit it but TV is going to have a big say in how this season and next pans out. They are owed their pound of flesh and behind all the "we are supporting everyone in football BS" they will be pointing out that the PL especially owes them so many live games. We can only speculate on what the outcome is but the PL cannot afford to upset the money men. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 14 Mar 20 7.48am

The influence of TV in sport, especially football.

Sky BT etc. have paid a fortune for the TV rights they are not going to be able to show it live for at least 1 month and probably a lot longer. This will cause a huge hole in their scheduling and their viewing figures will collapse after all you can only watch Man United the glory years so many times.

BT has already announced that it will not refund customers who are paying for BT Sport and getting repeats. No doubt Sky will take a similar stance so some unhappy customers will be trapped in a contract others will just cancel.

Even when sport resumes this will still be a major problem for TV. Assuming lots of games will be played in a fairly short space of time they will be forced to choose which games to show. The TV schedule is drawn up so that each week the big boys are shown live normally on a Sunday or Monday when the schedule is clear for best ratings. At best they may show 3/4 games a night but that will split the viewing figures.

Football will not admit it but TV is going to have a big say in how this season and next pans out. They are owed their pound of flesh and behind all the "we are supporting everyone in football BS" they will be pointing out that the PL especially owes them so many live games.

We can only speculate on what the outcome is but the PL cannot afford to upset the money men.

One more point

Badger11 Beckenham 14 Mar 20 8.04am
The Mail are suggesting that the season ends now the top 2 are promoted from the EFL with no relegation and then next season 5 clubs are relegated. They also suggest Liverpool will be handed the title although I cannot see any circumstances when they wouldn't the thought of that lot crying for the next 30 years.... Edited by Badger11 (14 Mar 2020 8.04am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 14 Mar 20 8.04am

The Mail are suggesting that the season ends now the top 2 are promoted from the EFL with no relegation and then next season 5 clubs are relegated.

They also suggest Liverpool will be handed the title although I cannot see any circumstances when they wouldn't the thought of that lot crying for the next 30 years....

Edited by Badger11 (14 Mar 2020 8.04am)

One more point

Midlands Eagle 14 Mar 20 8.34am
Originally posted by Badger11 The Mail are suggesting that the season ends now the top 2 are promoted from the EFL with no relegation and then next season 5 clubs are relegated. That's a typically daft suggestion from Daily Mail with no sensible logic behind it. The season has to finish for financial reasons if no other and if there is no end in sight in April then I would guess the leagues would resume but behind closed doors

Midlands Eagle

14 Mar 20 8.34am

Originally posted by Badger11

The Mail are suggesting that the season ends now the top 2 are promoted from the EFL with no relegation and then next season 5 clubs are relegated.

That's a typically daft suggestion from Daily Mail with no sensible logic behind it.

The season has to finish for financial reasons if no other and if there is no end in sight in April then I would guess the leagues would resume but behind closed doors

samprior Hamburg 14 Mar 20 8.42am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle That's a typically daft suggestion from Daily Mail with no sensible logic behind it. The season has to finish for financial reasons if no other and if there is no end in sight in April then I would guess the leagues would resume but behind closed doors Yep that's how it'll be I reckon. Maybe with FA cup shunted to the end like a mini tournament as the priority will be to finish the league asap. Thank God we're in a relatively safe position without any of this likely to affect our final league position. Financially though I guess this will have a massive impact on clubs and so many bizarre connotations. I.e if the season does take until July/ August to complete can clubs still play out of contract players? Edited by samprior (14 Mar 2020 8.42am)

samprior

Hamburg 14 Mar 20 8.42am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

That's a typically daft suggestion from Daily Mail with no sensible logic behind it.

The season has to finish for financial reasons if no other and if there is no end in sight in April then I would guess the leagues would resume but behind closed doors

Yep that's how it'll be I reckon. Maybe with FA cup shunted to the end like a mini tournament as the priority will be to finish the league asap. Thank God we're in a relatively safe position without any of this likely to affect our final league position. Financially though I guess this will have a massive impact on clubs and so many bizarre connotations.

I.e if the season does take until July/ August to complete can clubs still play out of contract players?

Edited by samprior (14 Mar 2020 8.42am)

jeeagles 14 Mar 20 8.46am
Interesting points about the finances. I'm pretty sure that Euro 2020 will be delayed a year and the domestic league season will be extend. Rightly or wrongly, Sky, BT and others are likely to try and delay payments to the leagues if they cant show games. You can bet they have lawyers going through contracts right now to find ways they don't have to pay. Delayed payments and no matchday revenue is really going to impact the ability of staff to play players and staff. That's going to be really bad for the minimum wage match day staff who will be forgotten about, but you wonder what the impact on clubs will be when you have to pay out millions a week with no income and probably no insurance.

jeeagles

14 Mar 20 8.46am

Interesting points about the finances.

I'm pretty sure that Euro 2020 will be delayed a year and the domestic league season will be extend.

Rightly or wrongly, Sky, BT and others are likely to try and delay payments to the leagues if they cant show games. You can bet they have lawyers going through contracts right now to find ways they don't have to pay.

Delayed payments and no matchday revenue is really going to impact the ability of staff to play players and staff.

That's going to be really bad for the minimum wage match day staff who will be forgotten about, but you wonder what the impact on clubs will be when you have to pay out millions a week with no income and probably no insurance.

Badger11 Beckenham 14 Mar 20 8.53am
Originally posted by jeeagles Interesting points about the finances. I'm pretty sure that Euro 2020 will be delayed a year and the domestic league season will be extend. Rightly or wrongly, Sky, BT and others are likely to try and delay payments to the leagues if they cant show games. You can bet they have lawyers going through contracts right now to find ways they don't have to pay. Delayed payments and no matchday revenue is really going to impact the ability of staff to play players and staff. That's going to be really bad for the minimum wage match day staff who will be forgotten about, but you wonder what the impact on clubs will be when you have to pay out millions a week with no income and probably no insurance. Good points and of course the further down the leagues you go the more important match day revenues become. Some people are already calling for taxpayers money to support football I doubt the government will be sympathetic considering the billions swirling around football will need to fix it's own problems. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 14 Mar 20 8.53am

Originally posted by jeeagles

Interesting points about the finances.

I'm pretty sure that Euro 2020 will be delayed a year and the domestic league season will be extend.

Delayed payments and no matchday revenue is really going to impact the ability of staff to play players and staff.

Good points and of course the further down the leagues you go the more important match day revenues become.

Some people are already calling for taxpayers money to support football I doubt the government will be sympathetic considering the billions swirling around football will need to fix it's own problems.

One more point

Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Mar 20 9.07am
All sorts of scenarios playing out in my mind beyond how the football season is finished. Tv might start to see the value of fans when viewing figures for matches in empty stadiums drop. Just might. Just imagine if clubs don’t pay their secured creditors they have to pay by uk financial law (multi millionaire footballers) and the players take the clubs to court. Good luck with that if still at the club with zero sympathy from fans of the clubs. High levels of abuse more like. Will fans elsewhere give them abuse for their greed if they’ve moved to another club in England when they start proceedings or pursue it when it’s all settled or retired? The effects of this in football finance are going to be issues for a few years after this summer. Handled badly this could start an implosion of football a lot of said would or hoped happened but couldn’t see how or this or happening so fast. No millionaires will go broke but there are rules and laws, but then a lot of people could really struggle financially and open their eyes to what we’ve done to football. Pass the popcorn. I’m not fussed. There’s a lot I dislike about modern football. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 14 Mar 20 9.07am

All sorts of scenarios playing out in my mind beyond how the football season is finished.

Tv might start to see the value of fans when viewing figures for matches in empty stadiums drop. Just might.

Just imagine if clubs don’t pay their secured creditors they have to pay by uk financial law (multi millionaire footballers) and the players take the clubs to court. Good luck with that if still at the club with zero sympathy from fans of the clubs. High levels of abuse more like. Will fans elsewhere give them abuse for their greed if they’ve moved to another club in England when they start proceedings or pursue it when it’s all settled or retired?

The effects of this in football finance are going to be issues for a few years after this summer.

Handled badly this could start an implosion of football a lot of said would or hoped happened but couldn’t see how or this or happening so fast.

No millionaires will go broke but there are rules and laws, but then a lot of people could really struggle financially and open their eyes to what we’ve done to football.

Pass the popcorn. I’m not fussed. There’s a lot I dislike about modern football.

COYP

Phil’s Barber Crowborough 14 Mar 20 9.16am
A lot of player contracts expire at midnight on the last day of the season and the transfer window opens on May 18th. Another couple of factors to throw into the mix if they consider trying to extend the season.

Phil’s Barber

Crowborough 14 Mar 20 9.16am

A lot of player contracts expire at midnight on the last day of the season and the transfer window opens on May 18th.

Another couple of factors to throw into the mix if they consider trying to extend the season.

Midlands Eagle 14 Mar 20 10.14am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Just imagine if clubs don’t pay their secured creditors they have to pay by uk financial law (multi millionaire footballers) and the players take the clubs to court. Players aren't secured creditors as only companies or people that have a charge over the company's assets are secured ie banks and finance companies. We have to hope that any hiatus won't affect Manchester United's ability to pay us the remaining £25m that they owe us for AWB

Midlands Eagle

14 Mar 20 10.14am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Just imagine if clubs don’t pay their secured creditors they have to pay by uk financial law (multi millionaire footballers) and the players take the clubs to court.

Players aren't secured creditors as only companies or people that have a charge over the company's assets are secured ie banks and finance companies.

We have to hope that any hiatus won't affect Manchester United's ability to pay us the remaining £25m that they owe us for AWB

michaelpearce grays 14 Mar 20 10.37am
if they do try to finish the lge my heart will pump custard for the poor players,they may need to play 3 to 4 a times a week to finish the season.they will be crying in there millions in there bank accounts,see if klopp will complain then because they are playing to many games oh please cancel the season i can hear all the scousers now,saying its not there fault its the its the guy in charge of the lge there against us and a long court case to try and prove it,calmers a bitch 90/91 forever in our hearts

michaelpearce

grays 14 Mar 20 10.37am

if they do try to finish the lge my heart will pump custard for the poor players,they may need to play 3 to 4 a times a week to finish the season.they will be crying in there millions in there bank accounts,see if klopp will complain then because they are playing to many games oh please cancel the season i can hear all the scousers now,saying its not there fault its the its the guy in charge of the lge there against us and a long court case to try and prove it,calmers a bitch 90/91 forever in our hearts

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 14 Mar 20 11.31am
Originally posted by michaelpearce if they do try to finish the lge my heart will pump custard for the poor players,they may need to play 3 to 4 a times a week to finish the season.they will be crying in there millions in there bank accounts,see if klopp will complain then because they are playing to many games oh please cancel the season i can hear all the scousers now,saying its not there fault its the its the guy in charge of the lge there against us and a long court case to try and prove it,calmers a bitch 90/91 forever in our hearts With 9-10 prem games remaining, there only needs to be two games a week and the season would be over in 4 weeks from the first kick-off day of the resumption. I expect that to happen. Apparently, the football authorities are thinking of finishing the season's fixtures between July and September. I will be surprised if the full league season is not completed at some point. The potential litigation problems otherwise don't bear thinking about. if anything has to go it will be the FA Cup, the European cup competitions with the Euro 2020 being postponed for a year.

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 14 Mar 20 11.31am

Originally posted by michaelpearce

With 9-10 prem games remaining, there only needs to be two games a week and the season would be over in 4 weeks from the first kick-off day of the resumption. I expect that to happen. Apparently, the football authorities are thinking of finishing the season's fixtures between July and September.
I will be surprised if the full league season is not completed at some point. The potential litigation problems otherwise don't bear thinking about. if anything has to go it will be the FA Cup, the European cup competitions with the Euro 2020 being postponed for a year.

Spiderman Horsham 14 Mar 20 12.08pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Predictably Karen Brady has said that the season should be cancelled thus offering West ham a lifeline. Other variations I have heard are: 1. End the season now all results stand as they are promote and relegate based on that. probably the harshest but fairest solution. The problem is that clubs will point out that the rules have changed intra season. 2. Complete the season which will over run into September this is very fair but maybe impractical. Then shorten next season to catch up by cancelling FA and League cups and somehow reduce the number of games teams play. Something like everybody plays each other once and then there are mini leagues e.g. top group play each other once, middle and bottom or some variation. If they can find a solution to reducing the fixture list the advantage of this is that everybody goes into the season knowing what the rules are at the start. I think this is the best solution. Unfortunately smaller clubs will lose out on potential cup income. I think LC will be cancelled (could be the last we see of it, unfortunately), FA cup still played but no replays. More mid-week games and mid-season break cancelled.

Spiderman

Horsham 14 Mar 20 12.08pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Predictably Karen Brady has said that the season should be cancelled thus offering West ham a lifeline.

Other variations I have heard are:

1. End the season now all results stand as they are promote and relegate based on that. probably the harshest but fairest solution. The problem is that clubs will point out that the rules have changed intra season.

2. Complete the season which will over run into September this is very fair but maybe impractical.

Then shorten next season to catch up by cancelling FA and League cups and somehow reduce the number of games teams play. Something like everybody plays each other once and then there are mini leagues e.g. top group play each other once, middle and bottom or some variation.

If they can find a solution to reducing the fixture list the advantage of this is that everybody goes into the season knowing what the rules are at the start.

I think this is the best solution. Unfortunately smaller clubs will lose out on potential cup income. I think LC will be cancelled (could be the last we see of it, unfortunately), FA cup still played but no replays. More mid-week games and mid-season break cancelled.

Spiderman Horsham 14 Mar 20 12.10pm
Originally posted by samprior Yep that's how it'll be I reckon. Maybe with FA cup shunted to the end like a mini tournament as the priority will be to finish the league asap. Thank God we're in a relatively safe position without any of this likely to affect our final league position. Financially though I guess this will have a massive impact on clubs and so many bizarre connotations. I.e if the season does take until July/ August to complete can clubs still play out of contract players? Edited by samprior (14 Mar 2020 8.42am) I think they will have to allow this, in this unusual circumstance authorities have got to give some leeway

Spiderman

Horsham 14 Mar 20 12.10pm

Originally posted by samprior

I.e if the season does take until July/ August to complete can clubs still play out of contract players?

Edited by samprior (14 Mar 2020 8.42am)

I think they will have to allow this, in this unusual circumstance authorities have got to give some leeway

Spiderman Horsham 14 Mar 20 12.24pm
Paul Barber just stated he thinks relegation should be scrapped this season (wonder why!) but we should promote the top 2 from the Championship. Then relegate 4 teams next season. He was asked about the teams in the play off places "I feel for them but..." in other words tough s***. Wonder what his view would have been if Brighton was one of those clubs? PL are obviously desperate to get Leeds up

Spiderman

Horsham 14 Mar 20 12.24pm

Paul Barber just stated he thinks relegation should be scrapped this season (wonder why!) but we should promote the top 2 from the Championship. Then relegate 4 teams next season.
He was asked about the teams in the play off places "I feel for them but..." in other words tough s***. Wonder what his view would have been if Brighton was one of those clubs?
PL are obviously desperate to get Leeds up

Elpis In a pub 14 Mar 20 12.48pm
Double post for some reason Edited by Elpis (14 Mar 2020 12.52pm)

Elpis

In a pub 14 Mar 20 12.48pm

Double post for some reason

Edited by Elpis (14 Mar 2020 12.52pm)

Elpis In a pub 14 Mar 20 12.49pm
Originally posted by Elpis I just dont see with the virus expected to go on for months how the season will be completed . I think someone mentioned earlier that this season will be declared null and void and I would agree with that. You cant promote and relegate teams on incomplete seasons ,they will be (the relegated ones and those who missed out on promotion)queuing up in the courts demanding damages to their business that will run into billions.Even sides with little chance will say they were denied the chance The season cannot be extended . What about players contracts ,some that run out in the summer which will weaken some sides and strengthen others .What about loan contracts ,for the same reason some sides will find their squads depleted and robbed of key performers . In the end it will depend on how long the disruption lasts and for me the option with the least disruption to future seasons will be to let this one slide into the memories as the one that didn't count .

Elpis

In a pub 14 Mar 20 12.49pm

Originally posted by Elpis

I just dont see with the virus expected to go on for months how the season will be completed .

I think someone mentioned earlier that this season will be declared null and void and I would agree with that.

You cant promote and relegate teams on incomplete seasons ,they will be (the relegated ones and those who missed out on promotion)queuing up in the courts demanding damages to their business that will run into billions.Even sides with little chance will say they were denied the chance

The season cannot be extended . What about players contracts ,some that run out in the summer which will weaken some sides and strengthen others .What about loan contracts ,for the same reason some sides will find their squads depleted and robbed of key performers .
In the end it will depend on how long the disruption lasts and for me the option with the least disruption to future seasons will be to let this one slide into the memories as the one that didn't count .

rollercoaster Cornwall 14 Mar 20 12.56pm
Well there certainly wont be games behind closed doors. The football has only been suspended (against government advice) to protect the players and staff. The players, by the way, being the very least likely group to get a bad reaction to he virus. The decision about how to move forward will be based on the ulterior motives to the clubs. I suspect those in risk or relegation will join forces with the top 5 to declare that positions stay or such like. The teams in the middle of the table will not really care. It is only Bournemouth and Villa that would feel hard done by so would be out-voted. Completely unfair but how it might go.

rollercoaster

Cornwall 14 Mar 20 12.56pm

Well there certainly wont be games behind closed doors. The football has only been suspended (against government advice) to protect the players and staff.
The players, by the way, being the very least likely group to get a bad reaction to he virus.

The decision about how to move forward will be based on the ulterior motives to the clubs. I suspect those in risk or relegation will join forces with the top 5 to declare that positions stay or such like. The teams in the middle of the table will not really care. It is only Bournemouth and Villa that would feel hard done by so would be out-voted. Completely unfair but how it might go.

michaelpearce grays 14 Mar 20 1.48pm
Originally posted by doombear With 9-10 prem games remaining, there only needs to be two games a week and the season would be over in 4 weeks from the first kick-off day of the resumption. I expect that to happen. Apparently, the football authorities are thinking of finishing the season's fixtures between July and September. I will be surprised if the full league season is not completed at some point. The potential litigation problems otherwise don't bear thinking about. if anything has to go it will be the FA Cup, the European cup competitions with the Euro 2020 being postponed for a year. no no no all wrong you must look at it logically Liverpool season becomes well it didn't happen. lge winners 2020 blank we lost out when we finished 3rd when they changed the rules to allow Liverpool's in Europe with 8 games to go calmer

michaelpearce

grays 14 Mar 20 1.48pm

Originally posted by doombear

no no no all wrong you must look at it logically Liverpool season becomes well it didn't happen. lge winners 2020 blank we lost out when we finished 3rd when they changed the rules to allow Liverpool's in Europe with 8 games to go calmer

Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Mar 20 2.06pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Players aren't secured creditors as only companies or people that have a charge over the company's assets are secured ie banks and finance companies. We have to hope that any hiatus won't affect Manchester United's ability to pay us the remaining £25m that they owe us for AWB We are secured creditors of Manchester Utd. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 14 Mar 20 2.06pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Players aren't secured creditors as only companies or people that have a charge over the company's assets are secured ie banks and finance companies.

We have to hope that any hiatus won't affect Manchester United's ability to pay us the remaining £25m that they owe us for AWB

We are secured creditors of Manchester Utd.

COYP

Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Mar 20 2.13pm
Originally posted by rollercoaster Well there certainly wont be games behind closed doors. The football has only been suspended (against government advice) to protect the players and staff. The players, by the way, being the very least likely group to get a bad reaction to he virus. The decision about how to move forward will be based on the ulterior motives to the clubs. I suspect those in risk or relegation will join forces with the top 5 to declare that positions stay or such like. The teams in the middle of the table will not really care. It is only Bournemouth and Villa that would feel hard done by so would be out-voted. Completely unfair but how it might go. Don’t count on that. The government are about to ban all large gatherings everywhere. The premier league has just acted in advanced of that because playing squads and management teams have caught the virus. And then it’s not about contracting the virus but stretching and availability of emergency services. Police must be gutted their easy overtime shifts might be lost. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 14 Mar 20 2.13pm

Originally posted by rollercoaster

Don’t count on that. The government are about to ban all large gatherings everywhere. The premier league has just acted in advanced of that because playing squads and management teams have caught the virus. And then it’s not about contracting the virus but stretching and availability of emergency services. Police must be gutted their easy overtime shifts might be lost.

COYP

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