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Originally posted by JohnB
What's your thoughts on overpaying mortgages if you think there is still another move in you at a later date? I think I can overpay something like 10% of outstanding balance per year. My savings accounts are pulling in such pathetic rates at the moment that it could make more sense paying off a chunk, but then if I plan on moving within the next 5-10 years, is it worth it if I am only going to have to re-mortgage and potentially borrow more? I already max out my ISA allowance every year so can't throw anymore into that and the best rates at the moment are about 1.16% for easy access or 1.5% fixed. I have no debt other than the mortgage so I'm not really sure what's the best thing to do at the moment. I did read the BoE were even considering the option of negative interest rates. I would think it will depend on how much interest you are saving by paying it and how long you have left on your mortgage.it is unknown territory atm and after this who knows what's going to happen. The government could increase isa interest rates and amounts you can have just to get some dough through the door. Maybe just pay a little extra each month for now as even that can help. 5-10 years is a long way off and it's pretty guaranteed your drum will have increased by then even coming back from any drop this bug may cause.
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
Morning John, good question. My thoughts are that as interest rates are so low, you would be better off dragging out that mortgage for as long as you can and instead divert the extra 10% into an investment which is suitable for your risk appetite. If you're new to investing, it would be sensible to discuss with an adviser who could recommend something suitable. As you have a relatively long investment time horizon (5-10 years), the short term volatility is less of an issue for you, so can afford to take a little more risk (and likely better returns). By saving and investing for 5-10 years, you will have a larger lump sum at the end of that period compared with the reduction of your debt. The lump sum at the end of the 5-10 years will provide you chunk of money to either pay towards your current mortage or towards the new house. Think of this way, 5% growth (not guaranteed, but realistic for a 'moderate' investment) vs 2% interest to be repaid. 3% difference may not seem much, but it is huge if compounded over 10 years. It's sounds like you're in the trap of long term cash savings in your ISA. Your 1.16% interest compared to 2.5% inflation means your cash savings are losing their spending power by approximately (2.5% - 1.16%) 1.34% per year. A cash ISA can be transferred into a Stocks and Shares ISA. As its a transfer, it doesn't count as a contribution. My ISA allocation is already in stocks and shares ISA and they are generally doing well, especially Baillie Gifford American fund which is currently returning 43% on my investment. However, I will use up the £20k allowance on that over the course of the year as I have about 8 or 9 different funds I do regular monthly savings/investments into. All my savings are spread across several easy access accounts like Marcus, Shawbrook and Kent Reliance but they've all been reducing rates over the last 6 months. My mortgage has 2 years until the term ends and I'm on something like 1.8% which was a 5 year fixed term. Like you say, I feel like my savings are just sitting their not gaining anything and I'm not really sure what the best options are in the current climate. I also feel a little bit like cash is king at the moment with all the uncertainty and maybe just leaving savings in the bank for the next few months whilst everything pans out might also be sensible. Anyone got a crystal ball they can lend me?
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Originally posted by JohnB
My ISA allocation is already in stocks and shares ISA and they are generally doing well, especially Baillie Gifford American fund which is currently returning 43% on my investment. However, I will use up the £20k allowance on that over the course of the year as I have about 8 or 9 different funds I do regular monthly savings/investments into. All my savings are spread across several easy access accounts like Marcus, Shawbrook and Kent Reliance but they've all been reducing rates over the last 6 months. My mortgage has 2 years until the term ends and I'm on something like 1.8% which was a 5 year fixed term. Like you say, I feel like my savings are just sitting their not gaining anything and I'm not really sure what the best options are in the current climate. I also feel a little bit like cash is king at the moment with all the uncertainty and maybe just leaving savings in the bank for the next few months whilst everything pans out might also be sensible. Anyone got a crystal ball they can lend me?
Crystal balls are cheating and would make it far too easy, I’m afraid. With stock market investing you can never be sure about the climate as you don’t know what will happen tomorrow. There could a coronavirus cure announced this week for all know. That’s why you need to take a long-term view. If you are genuinely worried about investing new money, your mortgage interest rate of 1.8% is higher than the interest on your cash of 1.16%, so it would make sense to pay it off. I’m of the opinion that cash is never king, unless its for short term savings or for day to day liquidity. Others will have a different view to this. Judging by the fact you’re maxing out your ISA, I’m assuming you are at least a higher rate tax payer. If you do still want to invest further, there are other options available…. 1. Invest via a General Investment Account, separate to your ISA. You are still entitled to the £2,000 dividend allowance (assuming you don’t already receive dividends from elsewhere), i.e. your first £2,000 of dividends are tax free. Each individual has a £12,300 CGT allowance, so if your profit on sale is below this, its tax free. Any profit over £12,300 is taxed at 20% for a HR taxpayer. This can be managed by selling your investments once per tax year when they get close to £12,300 profit. 2. If you’re married, use your wife’s £20,000 ISA allowance. The next two are more exotic and not for the faint hearted, but possibly attractive for those paying higher taxes: 3. Enterprise Investment Scheme (EIS) – These are tax relief schemes created by government to encourage investment into start-up businesses. Like a fund, it’s managed by a professional across a portfolio of business. Charges are higher, as is the risk. Potential for big gains and big losses. New investments qualify for 30% income tax relief, e.g. if, you made a £10,000 investment, you would qualify a 30% (£3,000) income tax rebate. However, the investment must be held for 3 years or this is withdrawn. Additionally, if held for 3 years, any gains made on sale are exempt from CGT. Less of a bonus for someone younger, but after 2 years, assets are outside of your estate for IHT purposes on death. 4. Venture Capital Trusts (VCT). Similar to the EIS concept of investing in small businesses, via a professional manager with generous tax benefits. Still get 30% income tax reduction on new investment, although this is withdrawn if investment is not held for at least 5 years. Sales are CGT exempt with no minimum holding period.
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Thanks these posts are useful I hope the HOL community appreciate it.
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Originally posted by Badger11
Thanks these posts are useful I hope the HOL community appreciate it. You're welcome, Badger. Hopefully there's a useful nugget of information there for everyone. I'm, planning to get a few more articles written this week, is there any particular topic you'd be interested in?
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
You're welcome, Badger. Hopefully there's a useful nugget of information there for everyone. I'm, planning to get a few more articles written this week, is there any particular topic you'd be interested in? Estate planning / avoiding death duties would be interesting.
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Originally posted by Badger11
Estate planning / avoiding death duties would be interesting. That would be a good one. I'll aim to have that ready for Monday.
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Originally posted by AERO
Would be interested in thoughts on Capital Gains Tax .I am thinking of selling my buy to let flat (second home) in Croydon but know I might get hit with a tax bill.Feel free to pm me too .Thanks Hi Aero, I'll get a piece done specifically on CGT on second properties. I'll send you a PM tomorrow as there's a few questions to ask.
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I see tax limits and brackets are changing next year. What's the difference GM.
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
Morning John, good question. My thoughts are that as interest rates are so low, you would be better off dragging out that mortgage for as long as you can and instead divert the extra 10% into an investment which is suitable for your risk appetite. If you're new to investing, it would be sensible to discuss with an adviser who could recommend something suitable. As you have a relatively long investment time horizon (5-10 years), the short term volatility is less of an issue for you, so can afford to take a little more risk (and likely better returns). By saving and investing for 5-10 years, you will have a larger lump sum at the end of that period compared with the reduction of your debt. The lump sum at the end of the 5-10 years will provide you chunk of money to either pay towards your current mortage or towards the new house. Think of this way, 5% growth (not guaranteed, but realistic for a 'moderate' investment) vs 2% interest to be repaid. 3% difference may not seem much, but it is huge if compounded over 10 years. It's sounds like you're in the trap of long term cash savings in your ISA. Your 1.16% interest compared to 2.5% inflation means your cash savings are losing their spending power by approximately (2.5% - 1.16%) 1.34% per year. A cash ISA can be transferred into a Stocks and Shares ISA. As its a transfer, it doesn't count as a contribution. I do enjoy your articles GM but have some concern over your “advice” in this instance - if John is considering purchasing another property within 5 years then I would look at reducing the mortgage balance through over payment as, which you point out, there are no guarantees that an investment will grow at 5% pa whereas reducing the mortgage provides certainty of the debt reducing and could ensure that John qualifies for a lower rate mortgage in the future as he would have a reduced LTV. This could also help John to achieve a shorter mortgage term on the new property which would reduce the interest payments. Were the 5 years to coincide with a market contraction such as we have seen recently then he might be in a position to sell his investments at a low price (and a probable significant loss) to enable him to purchase a property. I would take the same view with the cash ISA’s and not consider transferring to a S & S ISA. Just a thought....
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Originally posted by Eden Eagle
I do enjoy your articles GM but have some concern over your “advice” in this instance - if John is considering purchasing another property within 5 years then I would look at reducing the mortgage balance through over payment as, which you point out, there are no guarantees that an investment will grow at 5% pa whereas reducing the mortgage provides certainty of the debt reducing and could ensure that John qualifies for a lower rate mortgage in the future as he would have a reduced LTV. This could also help John to achieve a shorter mortgage term on the new property which would reduce the interest payments. Were the 5 years to coincide with a market contraction such as we have seen recently then he might be in a position to sell his investments at a low price (and a probable significant loss) to enable him to purchase a property. I would take the same view with the cash ISA’s and not consider transferring to a S & S ISA. Just a thought.... When it comes t these decisions, no one knows what will happen so I think it’s fair enough for GM to give his view. It’s a question of risk appetite. If you’re happier to invest in the stock market it’s higher risk, with higher potential returns or even a negative as you mention. Low risk = pay down the mortgage. Not sexy but it will give you a completely predictable ‘return’. Then it’s up to the person to decide.
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Originally posted by the.universal
When it comes t these decisions, no one knows what will happen so I think it’s fair enough for GM to give his view. It’s a question of risk appetite. If you’re happier to invest in the stock market it’s higher risk, with higher potential returns or even a negative as you mention. Low risk = pay down the mortgage. Not sexy but it will give you a completely predictable ‘return’. Then it’s up to the person to decide. And who doesnt like a gamble. Probably loads which is why I'm potless I guess
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Originally posted by the.universal
When it comes t these decisions, no one knows what will happen so I think it’s fair enough for GM to give his view. It’s a question of risk appetite. If you’re happier to invest in the stock market it’s higher risk, with higher potential returns or even a negative as you mention. Low risk = pay down the mortgage. Not sexy but it will give you a completely predictable ‘return’. Then it’s up to the person to decide. I get that the choice is with the individual - for the short term (5 years) the default position for an Adviser is usually to recommend clearIng down debt rather than invest. Not a pop at GM as I enjoy his commentary...
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Originally posted by cryrst
And who doesnt like a gamble. Probably loads which is why I'm potless I guess It’s great when it works :0)
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Originally posted by Eden Eagle
I do enjoy your articles GM but have some concern over your “advice” in this instance - if John is considering purchasing another property within 5 years then I would look at reducing the mortgage balance through over payment as, which you point out, there are no guarantees that an investment will grow at 5% pa whereas reducing the mortgage provides certainty of the debt reducing and could ensure that John qualifies for a lower rate mortgage in the future as he would have a reduced LTV. This could also help John to achieve a shorter mortgage term on the new property which would reduce the interest payments. Were the 5 years to coincide with a market contraction such as we have seen recently then he might be in a position to sell his investments at a low price (and a probable significant loss) to enable him to purchase a property. I would take the same view with the cash ISA’s and not consider transferring to a S & S ISA. Just a thought.... Morning Eden. I’m pleased you enjoy my articles. You do raise a valid point here. I do need to clarify that I have purposely avoided the word ‘advice’ and have opted for ‘guidance’ instead. I don’t mean to be pedantic, but the moment I give advice, as a regulated IFA, I become liable. To give advice there is a rigorous process whereby I would fully understand the clients financial position, circumstances and objectives before making a formal recommendation. You are correct that an Advisers default position would be to clear debt first. However, things such as the individual risk appetite, capacity for loss and feelings towards debt would influence a recommendation. My personal feelings, as an experienced stock market investor, are that we are in a unique time where interest rates are at an all-time low which brings opportunity. Over a period of 5-10 years, I would be confident (others may not) of investment returns which would outperform the low interest rate debt. Of course, this is not guaranteed. I accept my suggestion is a little outside the box, it’s a new angle for people to consider. For a risk averse individual who is uncomfortable with investing and debt, they would be steered towards clearing the mortgage debt first. I don’t know what will happen over the next 5-10 years, but we can use history to help predict trends. The Barclays Equity Gilt Study 2016 found that equities have a 75% chance of outperforming cash over a consecutive 5-year period and a 91% chance over a 10-year period. I take on board that there could be a market crash at the time he needs the money, but looking at a basic ‘moderate’ risk passive fund (Vanguard LifeStrategy 60%), it is still +36.8% over 5 years despite Covid. At the bottom of the trough (23rd March 20), it was still +19.36%. Everyone will have a different take on this.
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Originally posted by cryrst
I see tax limits and brackets are changing next year. What's the difference GM. Hi Cryrst, the autumn budget announces changes which come into effect at the start of the next financial year, which is the following April. Therefore the announcements made in November 2019 recently came into effect in April 2020. A high level summary of the main taxes are as follows: Income Tax: *Personal Allowance reduces by £1 for every £2 over £100,000. Capital Gains Tax Inheritance Tax *If married, this can be transferred to the surviving spouse on death. There were no major changes to the tax bandings this April and we won't know next years until the autumn budget. Does this answer your question or is there a particular tax you wanted to query?
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