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Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 30 Jun 21 7.07pm

A tactical analysis of how Viera set up Nice to play:


[Link]

Very interesting read and a few and a few things sprung to my mind. you can see some of the current squad fitting into it:

CB

`Dante is slower but is more secure with his passes. That is why he is mainly in charge of making the long passes and passes between the opponent’s midfield` = Cahill or Tomkins

`On the other hand, Danilo relies less on his passing but more on his progressive runs. He is naturally a centre-midfielder, but Vieira put him as centre-back even though he sometimes plays as centre-midfielder. With this, Vieira is looking for a centre-back who handles the ball well and can drive with the ball to the opponent.` = Think we can expect to see Kouyate at CB, but this role could bring the best out of him.


Attacking

`In attack, there are two main strategies they use. The first one is making the striker Kasper Dolberg drop down and receive the ball. After this, Dolberg can turn and pass it to one of the wings, as the opponents must have moved more to the middle with him receiving the ball.`= Can see this system working well with Tekkers as the striker, holding up ball and playing it to Wilf and Eze (when fit etc) working a lot narrower, something they could both do.

Edited by Mwncisee (30 Jun 2021 7.08pm)

 
Bert the Head Flag Epsom 30 Jun 21 7.24pm

Originally posted by palace99

all good points, other than your last one.

If Vieira is confirmed as our new manager he will definitely not start with 3 CBs as FdB did.
Under BFS i thought we played some shocking football at times. The occasional good results shouldn't overshadow that

Hammering Arsenal 3-0 was good though.

 
samprior Flag Hamburg 30 Jun 21 7.32pm

Originally posted by Mwncisee

A tactical analysis of how Viera set up Nice to play:


[Link]

Very interesting read and a few and a few things sprung to my mind. you can see some of the current squad fitting into it:

CB

`Dante is slower but is more secure with his passes. That is why he is mainly in charge of making the long passes and passes between the opponent’s midfield` = Cahill or Tomkins

`On the other hand, Danilo relies less on his passing but more on his progressive runs. He is naturally a centre-midfielder, but Vieira put him as centre-back even though he sometimes plays as centre-midfielder. With this, Vieira is looking for a centre-back who handles the ball well and can drive with the ball to the opponent.` = Think we can expect to see Kouyate at CB, but this role could bring the best out of him.


Attacking

`In attack, there are two main strategies they use. The first one is making the striker Kasper Dolberg drop down and receive the ball. After this, Dolberg can turn and pass it to one of the wings, as the opponents must have moved more to the middle with him receiving the ball.`= Can see this system working well with Tekkers as the striker, holding up ball and playing it to Wilf and Eze (when fit etc) working a lot narrower, something they could both do.

Edited by Mwncisee (30 Jun 2021 7.08pm)

Interesting read. Cheers.

The part about defence is slightly concerning but I can see what you mean with the players you've highlighted.

For me whoever is manager, unless we've got at least 3 new (improved) additions to the starting lineup then we'll be screwed (CB,RB, Winger/ attacking mid).

Our speed of player recruitment this summer is going go be key... let's pray it's a little speedier than our recruitment of a manager.

 
sydtheeagle Flag England 30 Jun 21 7.43pm

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

Absolutely anyone coming into Palace is on a loser straight from start.

Multiple players out of contract
An aging squad
No Eze for 6 months
Wilf wants out again
Limited transfer funds

That's why Favre turned us down rather than his polite excuse to have more time out of the game.

I am hoping Vieira can use his Arsenal connections to help get players in. I am quite prepared to give him a chance if he definately comes in.

I cant possibly think he can be as bad as some previous managers. Alan Smith being the absolute worst in my memory.

Yeah, it's a more difficult opportunity than some. So what? It's also one of only 20 jobs managing a team in the best league in the world, and a team in London itself at that. Most people I work with who are successful back themselves to succeed no matter what. I imagine football managers are the same. The Palace job is tough, but it's nowhere near as bad a situation as you're making out. A good manager with a sound plan is going to see the opportunities, not the negatives. A manager who sees only the negatives is not someone I want at Palace.

Vieira has paid his dues and is qualified for the job. Whether he'll be successful or not only time will tell but if he's got an appetite to come to Selhurst and meet the challenge and believes he can build success at Palace, that's a damn good start and I'm behind him 100%.

The truth is that Roy was eminently qualified and did a good job keeping us up for the past four years. But I'm not sure I could endure another season of the s*** that was dished out regularly last year. I've nothing but respect for the man, but I'm also ready for a new, exciting, unknown start. And if we do get relegated next season, we'll still be Palace and we'll still be at Selhurst. I support Palace, not who we play.

Edited by sydtheeagle (30 Jun 2021 8.01pm)

 

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EagleinSF Flag San Fransisco 30 Jun 21 7.55pm

Has he signed yet?

 
braunstoneagle Flag the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 30 Jun 21 8.02pm

out of all the management appointments i have seen in my time, with an excitement rating of trevor francis being a 1, and el tel being a 8.

i would out vieira would be a 6.

basically, this means i have never, ever been excited about a managerial appointment in 34+ years supporting palace…actually i was optimistic about alan smith 2nd time around but he soon knocked that out of me!

 

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braunstoneagle Flag the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 30 Jun 21 8.09pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Definitely one to watch.

bet he turns out to be another tom soares

 

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talisman Flag Kent 30 Jun 21 8.12pm

Viera has been announced on CPFC Twitter Account 3 year deal

 
TheBigToePunt Flag 30 Jun 21 8.23pm

Originally posted by talisman

Viera has been announced on CPFC Twitter Account 3 year deal

Not on the website yet.

 
JonnyTheEagle Flag Croydon 30 Jun 21 8.39pm

Originally posted by talisman

Viera has been announced on CPFC Twitter Account 3 year deal

Some idiot has set up a fake account. Created June 2021, 1 follower. Complete bulls**t.

 
eag-les Flag Coulsdon 30 Jun 21 8.54pm

Not my choice tbh but if it is PV then I'm 100% behind him..if you'll pardon the expression. Looking at our first few fixtures the poor guy will be on a hiding to nothing but reckon we'll get some half decent French players and Arsenal seconds in and possibly be sponsored by French Connection (good film too)

 

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Eagleshavelanded Flag Tooting 30 Jun 21 9.14pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Perhaps he is bringing this bloke with him


[Link]

Or He may bring British billionaire Sir Jim Ratcliffe founder of Ineos, the chemical company to the table to buy Palace - now that is a good &#128173;

 

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sydtheeagle Flag England 30 Jun 21 10.19pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Not on the website yet.

f*** that. Is it on Dazza's Facebook page. That's the question.

 

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sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 01 Jul 21 12.48am

Originally posted by Eagleshavelanded

Or He may bring British billionaire Sir Jim Ratcliffe founder of Ineos, the chemical company to the table to buy Palace - now that is a good &#128173;

I thought he was a man u fan.
Could be wrong but it's what springs to mind

 
sydtheeagle Flag England 01 Jul 21 1.42am

Originally posted by JonnyTheEagle

Some idiot has set up a fake account. Created June 2021, 1 follower. Complete bulls**t.

Let me guess. The one follower is Dazza. There's your insider, boys and girls.

 

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.
StrangerThing Flag Brisbane 01 Jul 21 5.45am

Whatever we are doing it is time to do it. Everton and even the Spuds are sorted. Other clubs e.g. Arsenal and Leicester, starting to land transfer targets.

There was a small window for faffing about due to the Euros and Copa America but its pretty much gone.

 
lefty27 Flag ipswich 01 Jul 21 8.12am

Originally posted by Eagleshavelanded

Or He may bring British billionaire Sir Jim Ratcliffe founder of Ineos, the chemical company to the table to buy Palace - now that is a good &#128173;

My brother in law is his person pilot, says he’s a big footy fan and was looking to buy a club. He’s a Newcastle fan and hopes he will buy them, I think the guy is a Chelsea fan but could be wrong.

 
lefty27 Flag ipswich 01 Jul 21 8.12am

Originally posted by lefty27

My brother in law is his pilot, says he’s a big footy fan and was looking to buy a club. He’s a Newcastle fan and hopes he will buy them, I think the guy is a Chelsea fan but could be wrong.

 
Putitout Flag Oxford 01 Jul 21 10.17am


Don,t really understand why this thread is generally reflecting a negativity towards the idea of having Viera, as manager, without going to deeply into his record, he has been largely successful. Man,City, successful, NY,City, successful, Nice, 90% successful. I say 90% because we know something went wrong in the end.
But what did go wrong? IMHO, his success in getting a fifth place in the league, leading to a place in Europe, is what went wrong. As with fringe clubs all around Europe, that place in Europe, was a step to far far for the club, as I believe it would be for Palace ,if it happened.
My point being that he may well have been nothing more than a victim of his own success. It’s a common, problem in football management. Clubs that want Europe, but can’t really afford the maintenance of a squad capable of being successful in that competition and still remain competitive in their home league.

Edited by Putitout (01 Jul 2021 10.18am)

 
nead1 Flag 01 Jul 21 10.28am

I agree with your sentiments and think he could turn out to be a very good appointment although there will certainly be immediate challenges vis a vis the depth of the squad.
I guess what has left some a bit underwhelmed is that he was available all along and so clearly he was not the no 1 choice. However, personally, I think what has subsequently emerged around Nuno indicates Parish was 100% correct to walk away. Equally, the Fevre situation was just unfortunate and could hardly be foreseen.
What will be interesting is who Viera brings in with him on the coaching side and his approach to transfers. Exciting times ahead I hope.

 
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