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 Kermit8  Hevon 29 Dec 17 3.01pm |
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Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye
I would argue that he handled it perfectly since Marxists and Neo-nazis are just different sides of the same coin. Yeah Abe Lincoln/David Duke - two peas. Must be going by what he said back in the day. "INASMUCH as most good things are produced by labor, it follows that all such things ought to belong to those whose labor has produced them. But it has happened in all ages of the world that some have labored, and others, without labor, have enjoyed a large proportion of the fruits. This is wrong, and should not continue. To secure to each laborer the whole product of his labor as nearly as possible is a worthy object of any good government."
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Sheks Crows Eye  Virginia 29 Dec 17 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Yeah Abe Lincoln/David Duke - two peas. Must be going by what he said back in the day. "INASMUCH as most good things are produced by labor, it follows that all such things ought to belong to those whose labor has produced them. But it has happened in all ages of the world that some have labored, and others, without labor, have enjoyed a large proportion of the fruits. This is wrong, and should not continue. To secure to each laborer the whole product of his labor as nearly as possible is a worthy object of any good government."
Have you ever looked at the metrics of the amount of dead due to communist regimes and fascists alike? Let alone comparing the numbers to one another. Spoiler alert: the number of dead under communism vastly outweigh those under the Nazis.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 29 Dec 17 5.10pm |
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Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye
Have you ever looked at the metrics of the amount of dead due to communist regimes and fascists alike? Let alone comparing the numbers to one another. Spoiler alert: the number of dead under communism vastly outweigh those under the Nazis. Sorry, fella - you'll have to point me in the right direction to find where Trump has a right go at, and fully denounces the white power, Hitler-loving, jew and black-hating, racially-superior fixated, cancerous neo-nazis that invaded and upset the local folk in Charlottesville. I know he said both sides were to blame but given their way of thinking and actions that night and day, including murder, he must have had something seperate to say about the neo-nazis, surely? Ta in advance.
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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 5.26pm |
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Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye
Have you ever looked at the metrics of the amount of dead due to communist regimes and fascists alike? Let alone comparing the numbers to one another. Spoiler alert: the number of dead under communism vastly outweigh those under the Nazis.
This is considered "communists' fault". Around the same time, countless millions were dying in US due to famine, malnutrition, lack of access to healthcare, shelter, security because of abject poverty brought by Great Depression, and the US government was refusing doing anything about it based on ideological grounds of 'Not intervening in the market'. People were dying on the road to California, in roadside camps, hobo camps, in their houses due to sickness brought by malnutrition, diseases, entire nation was begging, 'Brother can you spare a dime', but the government was ideologically refusing to do anything about it, even as a minority of people made incredible fortunes. This is not considered capitalism's fault.
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| Ray in Houston Houston 29 Dec 17 5.45pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Sorry, fella - you'll have to point me in the right direction to find where Trump has a right go at, and fully denounces the white power, Hitler-loving, jew and black-hating, racially-superior fixated, cancerous neo-nazis that invaded and upset the local folk in Charlottesville. I know he said both sides were to blame but given their way of thinking and actions that night and day, including murder, he must have had something seperate to say about the neo-nazis, surely? Ta in advance. Trump actually said that some of the neo-Nazis* in Charlottesville are "very good people". Maybe in the same way that some Mexicans are good people and not criminals, drug dealers and rapists. * I'm not sure if they're still "neo-Nazis" if they're marching under and wearing the Swastika while chanting Nazi slogans. I think that makes them actual Nazis. Edited by Ray in Houston (29 Dec 2017 5.45pm)
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| Sheks Crows Eye Virginia 29 Dec 17 5.49pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
This is considered "communists' fault". Around the same time, countless millions were dying in US due to famine, malnutrition, lack of access to healthcare, shelter, security because of abject poverty brought by Great Depression, and the US government was refusing doing anything about it based on ideological grounds of 'Not intervening in the market'. People were dying on the road to California, in roadside camps, hobo camps, in their houses due to sickness brought by malnutrition, diseases, entire nation was begging, 'Brother can you spare a dime', but the government was ideologically refusing to do anything about it, even as a minority of people made incredible fortunes. This is not considered capitalism's fault. Since you're so adept at google why don't you plug "Great Leap Forward" into the search bar next time Mr. "Teacher". Perhaps follow that up with guidance on how to emigrate to China (might not be your thing though since they don't act so communist anymore). You're faith in Big Government is misguided.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Dec 17 5.52pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Trump actually said that some of the neo-Nazis* in Charlottesville are "very good people". Maybe in the same way that some Mexicans are good people and not criminals, drug dealers and rapists. * I'm not sure if they're still "neo-Nazis" if they're marching under and wearing the Swastika while chanting Nazi slogans. I think that makes them actual Nazis. Edited by Ray in Houston (29 Dec 2017 5.45pm) An interesting point, however the neo-Nazi movement is far less 'intellectualised' than the National Socialist Movement of Germany ever was. It certainly has a further right wing lean towards fascism and corporate state mentality, than the ideals of national socialism ever did. They're much more racist than 'socialist' as well (which is a bit difficult to imagine)
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| Stirlingsays 29 Dec 17 5.53pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Trump actually said that some of the neo-Nazis* in Charlottesville are "very good people". Maybe in the same way that some Mexicans are good people and not criminals, drug dealers and rapists. * I'm not sure if they're still "neo-Nazis" if they're marching under and wearing the Swastika while chanting Nazi slogans. I think that makes them actual Nazis. Edited by Ray in Houston (29 Dec 2017 5.45pm) Well there is an actual Nazi party in America.....has a membership of about ten thousand. Similar to the size of the KKK. The meaning of the word 'Nazi' has been so abused by the left in modern times as to refer...pretty much to any 'people we don't like'....so pretensions to what is an actual Nazi is by one of their commentators is always something amusing to read. I'd agree with Jamie on this one. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 6.00pm)
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| Sheks Crows Eye Virginia 29 Dec 17 5.57pm |
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When you get down to principles, there is very little difference between Communists and Nazis.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Dec 17 5.58pm |
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Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye
When you get down to principles, there is very little difference between Communists and Nazis. I read that Hitler thought that Marxists were the easiest to flip....because essentially at the core they wanted the world to burn. But then again, they were also those that fought him the most. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 5.59pm)
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| Sheks Crows Eye Virginia 29 Dec 17 6.04pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I read that Hitler thought that Marxists were the easiest to flip....because essentially at the core they wanted the world to burn. But then again, they were also those that fought him the most. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 5.59pm) Yep, "they were primed to flip" [Sargon?
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]. There's a section of this thought in Mein Kampf about how statesman could court and co-opt Marxists. Marxist/Communist states worldwide have turned into totalitarian states - DPRK, Russia, China etc.| Stirlingsays 29 Dec 17 6.12pm |
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Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye
Yep, "they were primed to flip" [Sargon?
Good to acknowledge a fellow Sargonite. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 6.12pm)
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| Sheks Crows Eye Virginia 29 Dec 17 6.16pm |
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Originally posted by kenbarr
My cousin was Jewish and a youth leader in the German Communist Party in Nuremberg. He was one of the first murdered at Dachau. The1939 non-aggression pact between Germany & the USSR was really one of convenience for both. Hitler needed no opposition when he invaded Poland and Stalin had destroyed his Army in the purges. Plus, Hitler gave him a tasty slice of Poland. The irony of all this is Trump wants nothing more than a very cozy relationship with Putin wthi is the most repressive Russian leader since the fall of communism there He has gone as far as denouncing Garry Kasparov, the former chess champion and one of the leaders of the anti-Putin group.. I sympathize with you and your family. Its harsh a world, i'll never forget the feeling of seeing blood on the pavement in Sadr City hours after a public beheading in 2006. However, I don't see how Trump is all that cozy with Russia, for the cameras, yeah maybe? But how else can one act with another nuclear power with the cyber infrasture to cripple your grid? Trump has signed legislation enabling significant sanctions against the Russian federation [Link] and has not waivered on the Magnitsky Act which is the single greatest way to punish Putin and the oligarchs behind him.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Dec 17 6.18pm |
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Originally posted by kenbarr
The irony of all this is Trump wants nothing more than a very cozy relationship with Putin wthi is the most repressive Russian leader since the fall of communism there He has gone as far as denouncing Garry Kasparov, the former chess champion and one of the leaders of the anti-Putin group.. While I'm quite a big fan of Kasparov politically in Russia....I wouldn't at all be surprised that the real reason Trump has had a go at Kasparov...is the same reason he does for most....it's because Kasparov has long been having a go at him.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 6.23pm |
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Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye
Since you're so adept at google why don't you plug "Great Leap Forward" into the search bar next time Mr. "Teacher". Perhaps follow that up with guidance on how to emigrate to China (might not be your thing though since they don't act so communist anymore). You're faith in Big Government is misguided. Oh dear. Not that old chestnut.
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| Sheks Crows Eye Virginia 29 Dec 17 6.27pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Oh dear. Not that old chestnut. Run along now son.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 6.56pm |
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Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye
Run along now son. You have completely dismissed deaths caused by capitalism because I googled it. You are the one what's legged it from the argument. Are you saying deaths during the great depression aren't anything to do with free market capitalism . If so, how?
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| Stirlingsays 29 Dec 17 7.27pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You have completely dismissed deaths caused by capitalism because I googled it. You are the one what's legged it from the argument. Are you saying deaths during the great depression aren't anything to do with free market capitalism . If so, how? How can you criticise free market capitalism? It's more responsible for enabling the modern western world than anything else. It has its abuses like all human systems but it works.....even the self described communists...outside of NK use it....it's the god they pray to. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 7.28pm)
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