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Originally posted by Tickled pink
Experience trumps young bucks and if you don't understand that you need examining. On that basis, as we have the oldest manager then he must be the best in the world? I think a few would argue against that. All sport evolves, Roy has his ideas that he has used to a reasonable level of success for 50 years with different levels of team. He has had opportunities to dominate with top teams but never has and top teams fans he has managed would say he is a poor manager. I don’t think he is a poor manager but I do think his ideas are outdated. When you respond to people Tickled you don’t need to follow up your argument with an insult if they don’t agree with your way of thinking.
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Originally posted by EddieMac
It’s a funny old world. Bielsa’s team gets a hiding every second week and he is genius and lauded by the media and fans. Roy gets a hiding and he’s the worst in the world. That Leeds team will end up in a relegation scrap and we won’t come close to it. I am not so sure about that Eddie. The way they play they are just as likely to win 5-0 as they are to lose 5-0. Keeping away from draws is the answer to this league. This season you could probably win 12 and lose 26 and stay up.
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
name a past palace manager who acheived so much AND also showed so much loyalty to us ? Any manager after Sir Steve.
I think this sums up the different mindset of fans. What have we achieved? Not getting relegated, yay! Smacks of the lack of ambition and pathetically low expectations that a lot of fans are fed up with, me included. You make it sound like we're a charity and Roy is doing us a favour. What other Prem club would offer such an outdated manager the change to prolong his career in the top flight? Let's see when he finally chucks it in at Palace how long the queue is. He came in the steady the ship, and granted he did it, however it should have been a two-year stint max to stop us stagnating like we have.
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
I am not so sure about that Eddie. The way they play they are just as likely to win 5-0 as they are to lose 5-0. Keeping away from draws is the answer to this league. This season you could probably win 12 and lose 26 and stay up. I don't think Leeds will go down, but I wonder if their fans will be happy next season if they continue to get thrashed on a regular basis. Many of us enjoyed Pardew's brand of insanity, but eventually it doesn't matter how many chances you create or even score if you keep shipping large numbers of goals, or keep losing, especially against your rivals. Another issue is that I think I'm right in saying that Biesla's teams have a history of running out of steam towards the end of the season due to the way they play. Leeds' board will probably pump some more money into the club in January though and I think they'll finish probably somewhere between 12-15th.
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
I don't think Leeds will go down, but I wonder if their fans will be happy next season if they continue to get thrashed on a regular basis. Many of us enjoyed Pardew's brand of insanity, but eventually it doesn't matter how many chances you create or even score if you keep shipping large numbers of goals, or keep losing, especially against your rivals. Another issue is that I think I'm right in saying that Biesla's teams have a history of running out of steam towards the end of the season due to the way they play. Leeds' board will probably pump some more money into the club in January though and I think they'll finish probably somewhere between 12-15th. Last season they won 10 of their last 12 games to clinch promotion.
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Originally posted by Willo
Last season they won 10 of their last 12 games to clinch promotion. You mark my words, once the stadiums are full again it will be a different story... teams won’t be playing with the abandonment that they are at the moment...
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Originally posted by Willo
Last season they won 10 of their last 12 games to clinch promotion. Only after they had a month or two’s rest due COVID and no football being played!
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Originally posted by eritheagle
Only after they had a month or two’s rest due COVID and no football being played! Leeds won 5 games in succession before Lockdown, they then had to play 9 games in a month when football returned.
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Originally posted by NEILLO
As with all the ' Roy Out ' threads and sentiments, it all boils down to this ; 1. The Club has little short term ambition other than staying in the Premier League. 2. The Club has been underinvesting in the squad in comparison to the competition. 3. Hodgson's methods have been proven to achieve PL safety. So if I was in Steve Parish's shoes, I would have little or no appetite to change the manager given that he delivers on #1. and makes do with #2 and #3 is the compromise. I can't make a case for Roy providing edge of the seat thrilling football. But I can make one for the pragmatic approach he employs that keeps Palace in the Premier League and him in a job. I concur with these sentiments.
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Originally posted by NEILLO
As with all the ' Roy Out ' threads and sentiments, it all boils down to this ; 1. The Club has little short term ambition other than staying in the Premier League. 2. The Club has been underinvesting in the squad in comparison to the competition. Perhaps this should be a "Steve Out" thread rather than the manager as it's fairly obvious that we will never be anything other than a treading water club whilst he is in charge of the club and it's purse strings
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Perhaps this should be a "Steve Out" thread rather than the manager as it's fairly obvious that we will never be anything other than a treading water club whilst he is in charge of the club and it's purse strings Steve Parish is only one of the 'Hierarchy'.
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Originally posted by Willo
Leeds won 5 games in succession before Lockdown, they then had to play 9 games in a month when football returned. It was those 9 games that they would’ve been knackered for and which the break helped them. His teams do have a history of faltering and maybe this Leeds team was just the one exception.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Perhaps this should be a "Steve Out" thread rather than the manager as it's fairly obvious that we will never be anything other than a treading water club whilst he is in charge of the club and it's purse strings If you look from where we were, when he took over to where we are now. We have gone from a yoyo club to a "treading water" club, which is a vast improvement, than any period of 52 years supporting.
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Originally posted by NEILLO
As with all the ' Roy Out ' threads and sentiments, it all boils down to this ; 1. The Club has little short term ambition other than staying in the Premier League. 2. The Club has been underinvesting in the squad in comparison to the competition. 3. Hodgson's methods have been proven to achieve PL safety. So if I was in Steve Parish's shoes, I would have little or no appetite to change the manager given that he delivers on #1. and makes do with #2 and #3 is the compromise. I can't make a case for Roy providing edge of the seat thrilling football. But I can make one for the pragmatic approach he employs that keeps Palace in the Premier League and him in a job. I agree with all of this. I'd like to add though, that I do wonder if the club are preparing for his inevitable retirement. There should be s predecessor put in place or at least a coaching team in place to take over from him now, so there's minimal upheaval when he does leave.
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Originally posted by madcap_v2
I agree with all of this. I'd like to add though, that I do wonder if the club are preparing for his inevitable retirement. There should be s predecessor put in place or at least a coaching team in place to take over from him now, so there's minimal upheaval when he does leave. Yeh, it’s Ray Lewington a mere youngster at 64.
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