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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 21 Dec 20 9.11am

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Experience trumps young bucks and if you don't understand that you need examining.

On that basis, as we have the oldest manager then he must be the best in the world? I think a few would argue against that.

All sport evolves, Roy has his ideas that he has used to a reasonable level of success for 50 years with different levels of team. He has had opportunities to dominate with top teams but never has and top teams fans he has managed would say he is a poor manager. I don’t think he is a poor manager but I do think his ideas are outdated.

When you respond to people Tickled you don’t need to follow up your argument with an insult if they don’t agree with your way of thinking.

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 21 Dec 20 9.14am

Originally posted by EddieMac

It’s a funny old world. Bielsa’s team gets a hiding every second week and he is genius and lauded by the media and fans. Roy gets a hiding and he’s the worst in the world.

That Leeds team will end up in a relegation scrap and we won’t come close to it.

I am not so sure about that Eddie. The way they play they are just as likely to win 5-0 as they are to lose 5-0. Keeping away from draws is the answer to this league. This season you could probably win 12 and lose 26 and stay up.

 

Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 21 Dec 20 9.18am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio


You want Roy gone ?

name a past palace manager who acheived so much AND also showed so much loyalty to us ? Any manager after Sir Steve.


you struggling to answer the question ? me too.

I think this sums up the different mindset of fans. What have we achieved? Not getting relegated, yay! Smacks of the lack of ambition and pathetically low expectations that a lot of fans are fed up with, me included. You make it sound like we're a charity and Roy is doing us a favour. What other Prem club would offer such an outdated manager the change to prolong his career in the top flight? Let's see when he finally chucks it in at Palace how long the queue is. He came in the steady the ship, and granted he did it, however it should have been a two-year stint max to stop us stagnating like we have.

 

taylors lovechild Flag 21 Dec 20 9.27am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I am not so sure about that Eddie. The way they play they are just as likely to win 5-0 as they are to lose 5-0. Keeping away from draws is the answer to this league. This season you could probably win 12 and lose 26 and stay up.

I don't think Leeds will go down, but I wonder if their fans will be happy next season if they continue to get thrashed on a regular basis. Many of us enjoyed Pardew's brand of insanity, but eventually it doesn't matter how many chances you create or even score if you keep shipping large numbers of goals, or keep losing, especially against your rivals. Another issue is that I think I'm right in saying that Biesla's teams have a history of running out of steam towards the end of the season due to the way they play. Leeds' board will probably pump some more money into the club in January though and I think they'll finish probably somewhere between 12-15th.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Dec 20 9.33am

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I don't think Leeds will go down, but I wonder if their fans will be happy next season if they continue to get thrashed on a regular basis. Many of us enjoyed Pardew's brand of insanity, but eventually it doesn't matter how many chances you create or even score if you keep shipping large numbers of goals, or keep losing, especially against your rivals. Another issue is that I think I'm right in saying that Biesla's teams have a history of running out of steam towards the end of the season due to the way they play. Leeds' board will probably pump some more money into the club in January though and I think they'll finish probably somewhere between 12-15th.

Last season they won 10 of their last 12 games to clinch promotion.

 

Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 21 Dec 20 9.41am

Originally posted by Willo

Last season they won 10 of their last 12 games to clinch promotion.

You mark my words, once the stadiums are full again it will be a different story... teams won’t be playing with the abandonment that they are at the moment...

 

eritheagle Flag Erith 21 Dec 20 9.51am

Originally posted by Willo

Last season they won 10 of their last 12 games to clinch promotion.

Only after they had a month or two’s rest due COVID and no football being played!
It gave them the rest they needed to recharge their batteries and go again.

 

jeeagles Flag 21 Dec 20 9.53am

I think comparisons to Bellisa and the Liverpool 9-0 defeat under Coppell are both disingenuous.

Both teams were newly promoted and the managers had a lot of credit in the bank.

Roy has earnt credit from his performance 3 years ago, but has been burning through it since. No one is calling for sacking Hodgson on the Liverpool result in isolation. The fact is, over the last 12 months there are now only 4 premiership teams with a lower points per game tally than us (Brighton, Sheffield United, Fulham and West Brom), and we are largely on a downward trajectory.

As Willo points out, Leeds won 10 of their last 12 games at the end of last season, we got 1 point from our last 8.

Although, I would say to Willo that this year Leeds had the luxury of a short break before the end of the season to revive themselves, where in previous years they've fallen flat on their face.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Dec 20 10.00am

Originally posted by eritheagle

Only after they had a month or two’s rest due COVID and no football being played!
It gave them the rest they needed to recharge their batteries and go again.

Leeds won 5 games in succession before Lockdown, they then had to play 9 games in a month when football returned.

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 21 Dec 20 10.19am

As with all the ' Roy Out ' threads and sentiments, it all boils down to this ;

1. The Club has little short term ambition other than staying in the Premier League.

2. The Club has been underinvesting in the squad in comparison to the competition.

3. Hodgson's methods have been proven to achieve PL safety.

So if I was in Steve Parish's shoes, I would have little or no appetite to change the manager given that he delivers on #1. and makes do with #2 and #3 is the compromise.

I can't make a case for Roy providing edge of the seat thrilling football. But I can make one for the pragmatic approach he employs that keeps Palace in the Premier League and him in a job.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Dec 20 10.22am

Originally posted by NEILLO

As with all the ' Roy Out ' threads and sentiments, it all boils down to this ;

1. The Club has little short term ambition other than staying in the Premier League.

2. The Club has been underinvesting in the squad in comparison to the competition.

3. Hodgson's methods have been proven to achieve PL safety.

So if I was in Steve Parish's shoes, I would have little or no appetite to change the manager given that he delivers on #1. and makes do with #2 and #3 is the compromise.

I can't make a case for Roy providing edge of the seat thrilling football. But I can make one for the pragmatic approach he employs that keeps Palace in the Premier League and him in a job.

I concur with these sentiments.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 21 Dec 20 10.36am

Originally posted by NEILLO

As with all the ' Roy Out ' threads and sentiments, it all boils down to this ;

1. The Club has little short term ambition other than staying in the Premier League.

2. The Club has been underinvesting in the squad in comparison to the competition.

Perhaps this should be a "Steve Out" thread rather than the manager as it's fairly obvious that we will never be anything other than a treading water club whilst he is in charge of the club and it's purse strings

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Dec 20 10.41am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Perhaps this should be a "Steve Out" thread rather than the manager as it's fairly obvious that we will never be anything other than a treading water club whilst he is in charge of the club and it's purse strings

Steve Parish is only one of the 'Hierarchy'.
If the Hierarchy in general are unwilling to swell the coffers as much as supporters desire, SP is working within certain parameters.

 

eritheagle Flag Erith 21 Dec 20 10.52am

Originally posted by Willo

Leeds won 5 games in succession before Lockdown, they then had to play 9 games in a month when football returned.

It was those 9 games that they would’ve been knackered for and which the break helped them.

His teams do have a history of faltering and maybe this Leeds team was just the one exception.

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 21 Dec 20 12.04pm

Roy has held the fort and we remain a Premiership side. Academy and stadium plans are coming to fruition, which is a plus sign.
However time waits for no man and the policy of signing experienced pros on big wages has led to an ageing squad, a number of whom will be soon out of contract. We find ourselves at the crossroads, in need of an overhaul of the playing staff. During our current stint in the Premiership we have not particularly progressed, rather we have been treading water, more often looking down rather than up. I see no grand improvement between this side and the side of Pulis; rather, Pulis achieved more overall because he was arguably working with less.
The owners either don't want to or cannot spend the funds necessary to make the next step, and yet an ageing squad needs replacing. Something has to give. The lack of transfer activity combined with filler loans has highlighted the extent of our ambition whilst this current set of owners are in charge.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (21 Dec 2020 2.44pm)

 

Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 21 Dec 20 12.22pm

Now isn’t the right time, we are in an ok position and you can see the players are putting in a shift. The Liverpool game was different and everything just clicked for Liverpool that day.

I certainly wouldn’t want to go down the West Brom route which is a big mistake. Let’s get through this season and then see where we are...

 

Crystal_Clear Flag Belfast 21 Dec 20 12.26pm

Yep, the current scenario cannot go on any longer.

1. The manager's contract expires at the end of the season. He will be 74 at the start of next season. Will he realistically carry on again ? He is already the oldest ever top flight manager when he reached 71.

2. Our squad is really starting to age now. Players are getting into their 30's rather than reaching 30 now. That's without all those out of contract.

The club are in situation where things simply can't carry on.

I would expect us to survive again this season, and maybe reach mid table status (10-12). But come the summer we will be in all sorts of problems if things are sorted out soon.

Otherwise we will be a typical Palace situation of searching for a new manager in the summer, then trying to get new players in (which we are not particularly great in sorting quickly).

 

Painter Flag Croydon 21 Dec 20 7.34pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Perhaps this should be a "Steve Out" thread rather than the manager as it's fairly obvious that we will never be anything other than a treading water club whilst he is in charge of the club and it's purse strings

If you look from where we were, when he took over to where we are now. We have gone from a yoyo club to a "treading water" club, which is a vast improvement, than any period of 52 years supporting.
Why would any sensible minded person, want him out?

 

madcap_v2 Flag SE25 / Ibiza 21 Dec 20 9.42pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

As with all the ' Roy Out ' threads and sentiments, it all boils down to this ;

1. The Club has little short term ambition other than staying in the Premier League.

2. The Club has been underinvesting in the squad in comparison to the competition.

3. Hodgson's methods have been proven to achieve PL safety.

So if I was in Steve Parish's shoes, I would have little or no appetite to change the manager given that he delivers on #1. and makes do with #2 and #3 is the compromise.

I can't make a case for Roy providing edge of the seat thrilling football. But I can make one for the pragmatic approach he employs that keeps Palace in the Premier League and him in a job.

I agree with all of this. I'd like to add though, that I do wonder if the club are preparing for his inevitable retirement. There should be s predecessor put in place or at least a coaching team in place to take over from him now, so there's minimal upheaval when he does leave.

 


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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 21 Dec 20 10.03pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

I agree with all of this. I'd like to add though, that I do wonder if the club are preparing for his inevitable retirement. There should be s predecessor put in place or at least a coaching team in place to take over from him now, so there's minimal upheaval when he does leave.

Yeh, it’s Ray Lewington a mere youngster at 64.

 

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