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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 20 6.25pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Who are you to tell people what to think or whatever you think of them because they don’t fit into your sheltered view of life/the world?

When have I ever told anybody what they can think?

All I have been mentioning here is what other people think and that unless respect is shown to them then other people (those who own the clubs and run the FA) might decide to take action against you.

Whether you think that is a worthwhile risk is your business.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 20 7.04pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

How about respecting other people’s religious views which you were deriding on the Election thread? Or their political views which get derided on every thread?

I respect religious views, even though I don't agree with them. If they bring comfort then I am happy for people. What I don't think ought to be respected by anyone are the kind of scientifically inaccurate assertions that are promoted by the creationists.

Deriding political views here, as with any exchange here, is in an entirely different category to that involved with footballers "taking the knee".

No-one who comes here has to. If they do they can answer in kind any comment. With the exception of the site owner we are all equal here.

The footballers are supported by their employers. They are in their space and not ours.

Show them all the disrespect you like on here. As many have in this thread. If you do it at the grounds, where you are a paying guest, you take a big risk.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 20 7.12pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

You really are a weirdo mate

Seriously weird.

By the way I wasn't the least offended by your comment and he just demonstrates his weirdness by imagining I was.

Praising someone else's contribution is a nice courtesy. Why on earth would that upset me?

Stick around. People like you are needed here.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Dec 2020 10.18pm)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Dec 20 7.16pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Even if any of that was true, which it isn't, none of it is the point.

The point is showing disrespect to others. The only acceptable thing you can do, if you feel so strongly, is not to attend another match whilst these gestures continue. Go watch rugby if that makes you happy.

Booing, chanting, turning your back or walking out are all as bad as whistling during someone's anthem.

You just don't get it though, do you?

Probably time to take my own advice and ignore these posts.

The knee bending will be over or too close to BLM the political party by the time I want to go back to a full Selhurst that it won’t be there and an issue any more. Maybe many will take notice of AJ rather than pampered footballers far removed from reality.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Dec 20 7.19pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Seriously weird.

By the way I wasn't the least offended by your comment and he just demonstrates his weirdness by imaging I was.

Praising someone else's contribution is a nice courtesy. Why on earth would that upset me?

Stick around. People like you are needed here.

C3PO didn’t get humour either.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 20 7.20pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Have you never ridiculed anyone on here?

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Edited by Spiderman (14 Dec 2020 12.06pm)

Teased frequently. Ridiculed occasionally, but only when thoroughly deserved. In fact it's quite difficult to be really unkind when dealing with transparent bs.

None of that though is really the point. It's the dominance of those from one viewpoint which is.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Dec 20 8.12pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I respect religious views, even though I don't agree with them. If they bring comfort then I am happy for people. What I don't think ought to be respected by anyone are the kind of scientifically inaccurate assertions that are promoted by the creationists.

Deriding political views here, as with any exchange here, is in an entirely different category to that involved with footballers "taking the knee".

No-one who comes here has to. If they do they can answer in kind any comment. With the exception of the site owner we are all equal here.

The footballers are supported by their employers. They are in their space and not ours.

Show them all the disrespect you like on here. As many have in this thread. If you do it at the grounds, where you are a paying guest, you take a big risk.

Ah, so when you called people indoctrinated loons it was out of respect for their views. I see.
How does disrespecting footballers’ gesturing equal disrespecting the message they are supposed to be conveying?

 

W12 14 Dec 20 10.15pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I respect religious views, even though I don't agree with them. If they bring comfort then I am happy for people. What I don't think ought to be respected by anyone are the kind of scientifically inaccurate assertions that are promoted by the creationists.

Deriding political views here, as with any exchange here, is in an entirely different category to that involved with footballers "taking the knee".

No-one who comes here has to. If they do they can answer in kind any comment. With the exception of the site owner we are all equal here.

The footballers are supported by their employers. They are in their space and not ours.

Show them all the disrespect you like on here. As many have in this thread. If you do it at the grounds, where you are a paying guest, you take a big risk.

Who are these “creationists” and what is your specific objection to this compared to any other religious view?

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 20 10.32pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Ah, so when you called people indoctrinated loons it was out of respect for their views. I see.
How does disrespecting footballers’ gesturing equal disrespecting the message they are supposed to be conveying?

Do you think creationists wanting schools to be banned from teaching about evolution doesn't mean they deserve being described as "indoctrinated loons" in a forum like this?

I wouldn't though attend one of their meetings and start to boo. That would be disrespectful. See the difference?

By all means criticise the footballers action here. That's up to you.

My point is, and always has been, that booing it whilst they are doing it, is showing them disrespect

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Dec 20 10.41pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you think creationists wanting schools to be banned from teaching about evolution doesn't mean they deserve being described as "indoctrinated loons" in a forum like this?

I wouldn't though attend one of their meetings and start to boo. That would be disrespectful. See the difference?

By all means criticise the footballers action here. That's up to you.

My point is, and always has been, that booing it whilst they are doing it, is showing them disrespect

I don’t pick and choose parts of others’ beliefs and criticise those with which I don’t agree. See that difference?
As previously asked - what would your reaction be if footballers made some gesture in support of Brexit? Total support?

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 20 10.46pm

Originally posted by W12

Who are these “creationists” and what is your specific objection to this compared to any other religious view?

Easy to find and not for me to educate you. Just Google "creationism". It's the "young earth" variety that are the biggest problem, who deny evolution and don't want it taught in schools. It's not a big issue for us but it's a significant issue in the bible belt of the USA.

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 20 10.57pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I don’t pick and choose parts of others’ beliefs and criticise those with which I don’t agree. See that difference?
As previously asked - what would your reaction be if footballers made some gesture in support of Brexit? Total support?

If the creationists just kept things in their own churches and homes I would agree with you. They don't. They involve themselves in politics and try to change public policy over schooling. They are much criticised in scientific forums, so I am far from alone.

If the players stood on their heads and waved their legs in the air in support of Donald Duck I might take the p**s on here, but I wouldn't boo at the ground. I might laugh, especially if that's what they wanted.

If they gestured in support of Brexit, or anything else, I would just let them get on with it. I certainly wouldn't boo. I might try to investigate why later. I would listen to their reasoning when questioned. I doubt though whether your analogy is valid as I would expect they are as divided on Brexit as everyone else. They seem pretty united on supporting the current gesture.

 


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W12 14 Dec 20 10.57pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you think creationists wanting schools to be banned from teaching about evolution doesn't mean they deserve being described as "indoctrinated loons" in a forum like this?

I wouldn't though attend one of their meetings and start to boo. That would be disrespectful. See the difference?

By all means criticise the footballers action here. That's up to you.

My point is, and always has been, that booing it whilst they are doing it, is showing them disrespect

So English people in the English capitol city (that has for hundreds of years been defended by the people of England who have sometimes lost their lives in large numbers in the process) object to the global corporation that is the Premier League (and pretty much all the other corporations), telling them that they should be appreciative of a movement funded by the likes of George Soros that the death of George Floyd (from drug abuse) means that the UK (on another continent) had systemic systems of institutional systemic racism without any evidence.

Man, I’m f***ing confused.

 

W12 14 Dec 20 11.06pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Easy to find and not for me to educate you. Just Google "creationism". It's the "young earth" variety that are the biggest problem, who deny evolution and don't want it taught in schools. It's not a big issue for us but it's a significant issue in the bible belt of the USA.

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Yeah but “what is your specific objection to this compared to any other religious view?” and why did you ignore that?

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Dec 20 11.10pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If the creationists just kept things in their own churches and homes I would agree with you. They don't. They involve themselves in politics and try to change public policy over schooling. They are much criticised in scientific forums, so I am far from alone.

If the players stood on their heads and waved their legs in the air in support of Donald Duck I might take the p**s on here, but I wouldn't boo at the ground. I might laugh, especially if that's what they wanted.

If they gestured in support of Brexit, or anything else, I would just let them get on with it. I certainly wouldn't boo. I might try to investigate why later. I would listen to their reasoning when questioned. I doubt though whether your analogy is valid as I would expect they are as divided on Brexit as everyone else. They seem pretty united on supporting the current gesture.

And presumably some people who haven’t booed the gesture disagree with it too. But some have booed and so would some anti-Brexit football fans. All the time no doubt wondering why footballers are telling them this instead of playing football.

 

W12 14 Dec 20 11.13pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Easy to find and not for me to educate you. Just Google "creationism". It's the "young earth" variety that are the biggest problem, who deny evolution and don't want it taught in schools. It's not a big issue for us but it's a significant issue in the bible belt of the USA.

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Do you see this as more of a problem on our society as Muslim views on gays, jewish views on gentiles or whatever the view may be?

 

Stirlingsays Flag 14 Dec 20 11.21pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

C3PO didn’t get humour either.

Tell me about it....Stiffer than Biden during an elementary school visit.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Dec 20 11.53pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Tell me about it....Stiffer than Biden during an elementary school visit.

Biden likes sniffing children. It’s his compassion you know. (Monopolisation of compassion)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 15 Dec 20 12.36am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Biden likes sniffing children. It’s his compassion you know. (Monopolisation of compassion)

Thank god you wrote sniffing.

I wonder if he's going to start sniffing them again....now that the system has put him back in.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Dec 2020 12.39am)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Dec 20 7.39am

Originally posted by W12

So English people in the English capitol city (that has for hundreds of years been defended by the people of England who have sometimes lost their lives in large numbers in the process) object to the global corporation that is the Premier League (and pretty much all the other corporations), telling them that they should be appreciative of a movement funded by the likes of George Soros that the death of George Floyd (from drug abuse) means that the UK (on another continent) had systemic systems of institutional systemic racism without any evidence.

Man, I’m f***ing confused.

You certainly are.

Nothing you say is either true or has anything at all to do with the issue. Bringing George Soros into a debate over whether fans should boo our footballers when they unite and make a gesture in support of a cause they believe in is worthy of Alex Jones.

Object to the Premier League etc all you like, for whatever reason makes you happy. Just don't pick on the players that way and disrespect them. They aren't the Premier League.

 


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