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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Oct 17 10.27am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 You have to subscribe to the FT to read this article. I assume you subscribe then for surveillance purposes, perhaps to draw up lists for post-revolution debt settlement? No Edited by nickgusset (31 Oct 2017 10.28am)

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 31 Oct 17 10.27am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

You have to subscribe to the FT to read this article. I assume you subscribe then for surveillance purposes, perhaps to draw up lists for post-revolution debt settlement?

Edited by nickgusset (31 Oct 2017 10.28am)

hedgehog50 Croydon 31 Oct 17 10.48am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Brexit = 75,000 jobs to go/be relocated predicted by BoE [Link] That's quite a hit what with the domino effect of their money going elsewhere and not being spent in the local shops, on nannies, cabs, etc, 75,000 x an average salary of say 60k? That's £4.5 bllion. Over 10 years £45 billion. l l l V The economy Oh no! We are doomed (again). We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 31 Oct 17 10.48am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Brexit = 75,000 jobs to go/be relocated predicted by BoE

[Link]

That's quite a hit what with the domino effect of their money going elsewhere and not being spent in the local shops, on nannies, cabs, etc,

75,000 x an average salary of say 60k? That's £4.5 bllion. Over 10 years £45 billion.

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Oh no! We are doomed (again).

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

elgrande bedford 31 Oct 17 2.48pm
G Originally posted by Kermit8 Brexit = 75,000 jobs to go/be relocated predicted by BoE [Link] That's quite a hit what with the domino effect of their money going elsewhere and not being spent in the local shops, on nannies, cabs, etc, 75,000 x an average salary of say 60k? That's £4.5 bllion. Over 10 years £45 billion. l l l V The economy First of all,i think it means if we leave the EU without a deal. And secondly aren't they the same people who said we would be doomed if we didn't join the Euro? always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 31 Oct 17 2.48pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Brexit = 75,000 jobs to go/be relocated predicted by BoE

[Link]

That's quite a hit what with the domino effect of their money going elsewhere and not being spent in the local shops, on nannies, cabs, etc,

75,000 x an average salary of say 60k? That's £4.5 bllion. Over 10 years £45 billion.

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The economy

First of all,i think it means if we leave the EU without a deal.
And secondly aren't they the same people who said we would be doomed if we didn't join the Euro?

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Stuk Top half 31 Oct 17 4.28pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Brexit = 75,000 jobs to go/be relocated predicted by BoE [Link] That's quite a hit what with the domino effect of their money going elsewhere and not being spent in the local shops, on nannies, cabs, etc, 75,000 x an average salary of say 60k? That's £4.5 bllion. Over 10 years £45 billion. l l l V The economy Or from the very same article: The report also argued that there could be opportunities from Brexit, such as developing bespoke financial services for emerging market economies across the Middle East and Asia including China and India. Even if 75,000 jobs do go, London would still be by far the largest financial centre in Europe with over one million people employed in financial services in the capital and across the rest of Britain. And the UK would still enjoy a healthy trade surplus in financial services with the rest of the EU worth many tens of billions of pounds. Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 31 Oct 17 4.28pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Brexit = 75,000 jobs to go/be relocated predicted by BoE

[Link]

That's quite a hit what with the domino effect of their money going elsewhere and not being spent in the local shops, on nannies, cabs, etc,

75,000 x an average salary of say 60k? That's £4.5 bllion. Over 10 years £45 billion.

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Or from the very same article:

The report also argued that there could be opportunities from Brexit, such as developing bespoke financial services for emerging market economies across the Middle East and Asia including China and India.

Even if 75,000 jobs do go, London would still be by far the largest financial centre in Europe with over one million people employed in financial services in the capital and across the rest of Britain.

And the UK would still enjoy a healthy trade surplus in financial services with the rest of the EU worth many tens of billions of pounds.

Optimistic as ever

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 31 Oct 17 5.05pm
Originally posted by .TUX. No different to keeping ''under wraps'' the eventual ''impact'' of the current economic policies of Draghi and Co then. Nothing to see here. [Link] This is definitely poor form from the government and totally contrary to the mantra of Brexiteers. It makes them look shoddy and elitist.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 31 Oct 17 5.05pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

No different to keeping ''under wraps'' the eventual ''impact'' of the current economic policies of Draghi and Co then.

Nothing to see here.

[Link]

This is definitely poor form from the government and totally contrary to the mantra of Brexiteers. It makes them look shoddy and elitist.

.TUX. 01 Nov 17 5.35am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle [Link] This is definitely poor form from the government and totally contrary to the mantra of Brexiteers. It makes them look shoddy and elitist. Agreed, but hardly surprising. ''It’s a funny notion of democracy, then, that says that public involvement in Brexit should already be over and done with. That one binary vote is the only say we should be allowed''. This applies to every 'vote' we cast so i'm not sure why Abi believes that Brexit would any different tbh. After every General Election the outcome is pretty much the same, ie X Party wins allowing X Party to do exactly what it wants........regardless of public opinion. Maybe Abi should consider this in future. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

01 Nov 17 5.35am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

[Link]

This is definitely poor form from the government and totally contrary to the mantra of Brexiteers. It makes them look shoddy and elitist.

Agreed, but hardly surprising.

''It’s a funny notion of democracy, then, that says that public involvement in Brexit should already be over and done with. That one binary vote is the only say we should be allowed''.

This applies to every 'vote' we cast so i'm not sure why Abi believes that Brexit would any different tbh.
After every General Election the outcome is pretty much the same, ie X Party wins allowing X Party to do exactly what it wants........regardless of public opinion.
Maybe Abi should consider this in future.

Buy Litecoin.

hedgehog50 Croydon 01 Nov 17 7.57am
Originally posted by .TUX. Agreed, but hardly surprising. ''It’s a funny notion of democracy, then, that says that public involvement in Brexit should already be over and done with. That one binary vote is the only say we should be allowed''. This applies to every 'vote' we cast so i'm not sure why Abi believes that Brexit would any different tbh. After every General Election the outcome is pretty much the same, ie X Party wins allowing X Party to do exactly what it wants........regardless of public opinion. Maybe Abi should consider this in future. How would you do it then? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 01 Nov 17 7.57am

Originally posted by .TUX.

Agreed, but hardly surprising.

''It’s a funny notion of democracy, then, that says that public involvement in Brexit should already be over and done with. That one binary vote is the only say we should be allowed''.

How would you do it then?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Penge Eagle Beckenham 01 Nov 17 7.35pm
If there was any doubt that the FT is a 'Remain' paper, its editor has confirmed as much. As I have known for a while, all stories about Brexit should be taken with a pinch of salt. [Tweet Link]

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 01 Nov 17 7.35pm

If there was any doubt that the FT is a 'Remain' paper, its editor has confirmed as much. As I have known for a while, all stories about Brexit should be taken with a pinch of salt.

[Tweet Link]

steeleye20 Croydon 01 Nov 17 8.03pm
No, the FT should be taken at face value for writing the truth. I don't read the FT but it is a respected newspaper and should not be referred to as a 'remain' paper. There is plenty to the FT apart from its view on brexit which is its informed opinion. How PE should we regard 'leave' newspapers, perhaps with more than just a 'pinch of salt'? We are all quite entitled to our opinion on brexit.

steeleye20

Croydon 01 Nov 17 8.03pm

No, the FT should be taken at face value for writing the truth.

I don't read the FT but it is a respected newspaper and should not be referred to as a 'remain' paper.

There is plenty to the FT apart from its view on brexit which is its informed opinion.

How PE should we regard 'leave' newspapers, perhaps with more than just a 'pinch of salt'?

We are all quite entitled to our opinion on brexit.

.TUX. 01 Nov 17 8.12pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 No, the FT should be taken at face value for writing the truth. I don't read the FT but it is a respected newspaper and should not be referred to as a 'remain' paper. There is plenty to the FT apart from its view on brexit which is its informed opinion. How PE should we regard 'leave' newspapers, perhaps with more than just a 'pinch of salt'? We are all quite entitled to our opinion on brexit. Funny how they rarely/never mention Draghi's continued policy of printing currency (from thin-air) to prop-up what would be a failing economic system? The FT, as with many publications, have their own agenda. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

01 Nov 17 8.12pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

No, the FT should be taken at face value for writing the truth.

I don't read the FT but it is a respected newspaper and should not be referred to as a 'remain' paper.

There is plenty to the FT apart from its view on brexit which is its informed opinion.

How PE should we regard 'leave' newspapers, perhaps with more than just a 'pinch of salt'?

We are all quite entitled to our opinion on brexit.

Funny how they rarely/never mention Draghi's continued policy of printing currency (from thin-air) to prop-up what would be a failing economic system?
The FT, as with many publications, have their own agenda.

Buy Litecoin.

steeleye20 Croydon 01 Nov 17 8.17pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Funny how they rarely/never mention Draghi's continued policy of printing currency (from thin-air) to prop-up what would be a failing economic system? The FT, as with many publications, have their own agenda. I think printing money to prop up a failing economic system is here to stay, regardless of remain or leave!!

steeleye20

Croydon 01 Nov 17 8.17pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

I think printing money to prop up a failing economic system is here to stay, regardless of remain or leave!!

Penge Eagle Beckenham 01 Nov 17 8.20pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 How PE should we regard 'leave' newspapers, perhaps with more than just a 'pinch of salt'? Every paper is clear on where it stands on Brexit. Yet the FT for some time has pretended to be neutral. That is my point. We all have 'confirmation bias' so read the same media outlets. I often try to check the facts from other sources before believing everything I read. The broadcast media all follow the same narrative, but at least you get differing opinions in the papers and it's obvious on their bias.

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 01 Nov 17 8.20pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

How PE should we regard 'leave' newspapers, perhaps with more than just a 'pinch of salt'?

Every paper is clear on where it stands on Brexit. Yet the FT for some time has pretended to be neutral. That is my point.

We all have 'confirmation bias' so read the same media outlets. I often try to check the facts from other sources before believing everything I read.

The broadcast media all follow the same narrative, but at least you get differing opinions in the papers and it's obvious on their bias.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Nov 17 8.24pm
Breaking news... [Tweet Link]

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 01 Nov 17 8.24pm

Breaking news...

[Tweet Link]

Stirlingsays 01 Nov 17 8.27pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 No, the FT should be taken at face value for writing the truth. I don't read the FT but it is a respected newspaper and should not be referred to as a 'remain' paper. There is plenty to the FT apart from its view on brexit which is its informed opinion. How PE should we regard 'leave' newspapers, perhaps with more than just a 'pinch of salt'? We are all quite entitled to our opinion on brexit. You read? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

01 Nov 17 8.27pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

No, the FT should be taken at face value for writing the truth.

I don't read the FT but it is a respected newspaper and should not be referred to as a 'remain' paper.

There is plenty to the FT apart from its view on brexit which is its informed opinion.

How PE should we regard 'leave' newspapers, perhaps with more than just a 'pinch of salt'?

We are all quite entitled to our opinion on brexit.

You read?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 01 Nov 17 8.40pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Every paper is clear on where it stands on Brexit. Yet the FT for some time has pretended to be neutral. That is my point. We all have 'confirmation bias' so read the same media outlets. I often try to check the facts from other sources before believing everything I read. The broadcast media all follow the same narrative, but at least you get differing opinions in the papers and it's obvious on their bias. Don't follow you I think the FT may have been neutral as you say and now possibly 'remain' but that's how they see it now. It's quite up to them to have a different view now and also we can too.

steeleye20

Croydon 01 Nov 17 8.40pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Every paper is clear on where it stands on Brexit. Yet the FT for some time has pretended to be neutral. That is my point.

We all have 'confirmation bias' so read the same media outlets. I often try to check the facts from other sources before believing everything I read.

The broadcast media all follow the same narrative, but at least you get differing opinions in the papers and it's obvious on their bias.

Don't follow you I think the FT may have been neutral as you say and now possibly 'remain' but that's how they see it now.

It's quite up to them to have a different view now and also we can too.

Penge Eagle Beckenham 01 Nov 17 8.54pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Don't follow you I think the FT may have been neutral as you say and now possibly 'remain' but that's how they see it now. It's quite up to them to have a different view now and also we can too. I'll say it again then. The FT has always been 'remain' but has, and still does, pretend to be neutral. Yes I know! I didn't say otherwise.

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 01 Nov 17 8.54pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Don't follow you I think the FT may have been neutral as you say and now possibly 'remain' but that's how they see it now.

It's quite up to them to have a different view now and also we can too.

I'll say it again then.

The FT has always been 'remain' but has, and still does, pretend to be neutral.

Yes I know! I didn't say otherwise.

steeleye20 Croydon 01 Nov 17 8.55pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Breaking news... [Tweet Link] MPs approved unopposed Labour's motion which asked for a "humble address" requesting the Queen to direct Brexit Secretary David Davis to release the documents. I have never heard of 'humble address' before is it binding upon the government? The opposition doing well here.

steeleye20

Croydon 01 Nov 17 8.55pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Breaking news...

[Tweet Link]

MPs approved unopposed Labour's motion which asked for a "humble address" requesting the Queen to direct Brexit Secretary David Davis to release the documents.

I have never heard of 'humble address' before is it binding upon the government?

The opposition doing well here.

.TUX. 01 Nov 17 8.58pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I think printing money to prop up a failing economic system is here to stay, regardless of remain or leave!! Which is fine until the bubble bursts. Without fail, every debt bubble bursts and today we face the biggest in history. This is why Brexit, imo, is irrelevant to what lies ahead. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

01 Nov 17 8.58pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I think printing money to prop up a failing economic system is here to stay, regardless of remain or leave!!

Which is fine until the bubble bursts.
Without fail, every debt bubble bursts and today we face the biggest in history.
This is why Brexit, imo, is irrelevant to what lies ahead.

Buy Litecoin.

steeleye20 Croydon 01 Nov 17 9.04pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle I'll say it again then. The FT has always been 'remain' but has, and still does, pretend to be neutral. Yes I know! I didn't say otherwise. Why would the FT want to 'pretend to be neutral'? Your evidence that this is so please.

steeleye20

Croydon 01 Nov 17 9.04pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

I'll say it again then.

The FT has always been 'remain' but has, and still does, pretend to be neutral.

Yes I know! I didn't say otherwise.

Why would the FT want to 'pretend to be neutral'?

Your evidence that this is so please.

Penge Eagle Beckenham 01 Nov 17 9.13pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Why would the FT want to 'pretend to be neutral'? Your evidence that this is so please. 1) Lionel barber on BBC's This Week: "We’re an international newspaper, we don’t carry water… You know what we do we don’t carry flags around when we’re reporting for the FT. What we do is report the facts. We don’t just report what the Commission does." 2) The Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism stated the papers with the most pro-remain articles were, the Guardian, the Financial Times, the Daily Mirror.

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 01 Nov 17 9.13pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Why would the FT want to 'pretend to be neutral'?

Your evidence that this is so please.

1) Lionel barber on BBC's This Week: "We’re an international newspaper, we don’t carry water… You know what we do we don’t carry flags around when we’re reporting for the FT. What we do is report the facts. We don’t just report what the Commission does."

2) The Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism stated the papers with the most pro-remain articles were, the Guardian, the Financial Times, the Daily Mirror.

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