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sprites Auckland 02 Aug 23 1.54am
Originally posted by pssguy That's a little excessive with plenty of the window still to go and the two loan options still available. Wilf is obviously a loss but Lerma and Ahamada are upgrades on Luka and Jimmy. Franca (assuming he signs) we will just have to wait and see. Everton and Wolves look in worse shape than last year; Fulham will miss Mitrovic if he goes; West Ham have not got anywhere with replacing Rice; and it's hard to believe all three of the promoted clubs will survive. Last season was an outlier We'll finish 10th to 15th as we always do That's a pretty presumptuous statement, having seen very little of both. Ahmada an upgrade on Macca? Really?

sprites

Auckland 02 Aug 23 1.54am

Originally posted by pssguy

That's a little excessive with plenty of the window still to go and the two loan options still available. Wilf is obviously a loss but Lerma and Ahamada are upgrades on Luka and Jimmy. Franca (assuming he signs) we will just have to wait and see.

Everton and Wolves look in worse shape than last year; Fulham will miss Mitrovic if he goes; West Ham have not got anywhere with replacing Rice; and it's hard to believe all three of the promoted clubs will survive. Last season was an outlier

We'll finish 10th to 15th as we always do

That's a pretty presumptuous statement, having seen very little of both. Ahmada an upgrade on Macca? Really?

Helmet46 Croydon 02 Aug 23 8.24am
The problem, as I see it, is that our ambition is to remain in the league. This is very laudable as we need the money that this brings to develop the stadium. However that development has/is taking too long and our better, fresher and younger players just see that we are forever destined to be that team whose ambitions don’t get beyond 10th to 15th, hence they want to cut their teeth and move on. We need to be presenting a vision of stadium, Europe, ambition etc to them and re-employing Roy and little movement in the window is not doing that. I am, of course, very mindful of not doing a Charlton, but there is a balance to be struck, I’d say, that considers the ambitions of the individual as well as the safe financial running of the club. Tough job. Hopefully we’ll drag in some gems over the next couple of weeks.

Helmet46

Croydon 02 Aug 23 8.24am

The problem, as I see it, is that our ambition is to remain in the league. This is very laudable as we need the money that this brings to develop the stadium. However that development has/is taking too long and our better, fresher and younger players just see that we are forever destined to be that team whose ambitions don’t get beyond 10th to 15th, hence they want to cut their teeth and move on.
We need to be presenting a vision of stadium, Europe, ambition etc to them and re-employing Roy and little movement in the window is not doing that. I am, of course, very mindful of not doing a Charlton, but there is a balance to be struck, I’d say, that considers the ambitions of the individual as well as the safe financial running of the club.
Tough job. Hopefully we’ll drag in some gems over the next couple of weeks.

Croydon-Trucker 02 Aug 23 8.30am
Originally posted by Gribbo With all this talk of clubs coming in for our best players I am shocked and stunned that nobody has shown any interest in Edouard. Was brilliant for Celtic in the Scottish Premier League a few seasons ago. Anybody, please!!! If he was anymore relaxed on the ball he would be horizontal .

Croydon-Trucker

02 Aug 23 8.30am

Originally posted by Gribbo

With all this talk of clubs coming in for our best players I am shocked and stunned that nobody has shown any interest in Edouard. Was brilliant for Celtic in the Scottish Premier League a few seasons ago. Anybody, please!!!

If he was anymore relaxed on the ball he would be horizontal .

silvertop Portishead 02 Aug 23 8.45am
Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE So much negativity on here I'm excited for the new season The negative comments are an annual ritual. Just let the bed wetters get it off their chests. It's cathartic.

silvertop

Portishead 02 Aug 23 8.45am

Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

So much negativity on here

I'm excited for the new season

The negative comments are an annual ritual. Just let the bed wetters get it off their chests. It's cathartic.

monkey Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 02 Aug 23 8.45am
Originally posted by Gribbo With all this talk of clubs coming in for our best players I am shocked and stunned that nobody has shown any interest in Edouard. Was brilliant for Celtic in the Scottish Premier League a few seasons ago. Anybody, please!!! Yes but I’m fat, over 50 and fcuked and I could score goals playing upfront for Celtic Edited by monkey (02 Aug 2023 8.45am)

monkey

Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 02 Aug 23 8.45am

Originally posted by Gribbo

With all this talk of clubs coming in for our best players I am shocked and stunned that nobody has shown any interest in Edouard. Was brilliant for Celtic in the Scottish Premier League a few seasons ago. Anybody, please!!!

Yes but I’m fat, over 50 and fcuked and I could score goals playing upfront for Celtic

Edited by monkey (02 Aug 2023 8.45am)

EddieMac 02 Aug 23 9.10am
Originally posted by sprites That's a pretty presumptuous statement, having seen very little of both. Ahmada an upgrade on Macca? Really? Maybe an upgrade on last seasons Macca just because he was injured.

EddieMac

02 Aug 23 9.10am

Originally posted by sprites

That's a pretty presumptuous statement, having seen very little of both. Ahmada an upgrade on Macca? Really?

Maybe an upgrade on last seasons Macca just because he was injured.

Eaglecoops CR3 02 Aug 23 9.27am
Originally posted by EddieMac Maybe an upgrade on last seasons Macca just because he was injured. You would think it couldn’t mean anything else, because an upgrade on Jimmy Mc at his best would be a £70m player in todays market. I’d like to think Ahamada is going to be decent but we’ve seen very little of him against top notch opposition. Lerma replaces Milivojevic, this is a decent move. Franca would not be a replacement for Wilf but hopefully a dynamic player. We need an out and out goal scoring striker and a specialist winger (preferably in the Palace mould of unpredictable and a crowd pleaser).

Eaglecoops

CR3 02 Aug 23 9.27am

Originally posted by EddieMac

Maybe an upgrade on last seasons Macca just because he was injured.

You would think it couldn’t mean anything else, because an upgrade on Jimmy Mc at his best would be a £70m player in todays market. I’d like to think Ahamada is going to be decent but we’ve seen very little of him against top notch opposition.

Lerma replaces Milivojevic, this is a decent move. Franca would not be a replacement for Wilf but hopefully a dynamic player. We need an out and out goal scoring striker and a specialist winger (preferably in the Palace mould of unpredictable and a crowd pleaser).

MrRobbo Chaldon 02 Aug 23 9.35am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops You would think it couldn’t mean anything else, because an upgrade on Jimmy Mc at his best would be a £70m player in todays market. I’d like to think Ahamada is going to be decent but we’ve seen very little of him against top notch opposition. Lerma replaces Milivojevic, this is a decent move. Franca would not be a replacement for Wilf but hopefully a dynamic player. We need an out and out goal scoring striker and a specialist winger (preferably in the Palace mould of unpredictable and a crowd pleaser). I love Jimmy as much as the next player, but Jimmy would have never been a £70m player...... £30m maybe

MrRobbo

Chaldon 02 Aug 23 9.35am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I love Jimmy as much as the next player, but Jimmy would have never been a £70m player...... £30m maybe

Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Aug 23 9.43am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops You would think it couldn’t mean anything else, because an upgrade on Jimmy Mc at his best would be a £70m player in todays market. I’d like to think Ahamada is going to be decent but we’ve seen very little of him against top notch opposition. Lerma replaces Milivojevic, this is a decent move. Franca would not be a replacement for Wilf but hopefully a dynamic player. We need an out and out goal scoring striker and a specialist winger (preferably in the Palace mould of unpredictable and a crowd pleaser). Agree with all of that. Lerma and Ahamada are upgrades right now, given all players respective ages and capabilities etc. Only my subjective view of course, and I'm very aware of this, but I think JMac has been our best and most influential player over the last 'x' period second only to Wilf. Paul Gascoigne was also one of the best players I've ever seen from these isles, wouldn't want him starting for us now though. We've lost Wilf and Olise is at the very least unfit/unavailable for start of season. We now look very exposed on the wings and can see a continual rotation of reasonable but barely fit for purpose alternatives occupying those spaces. We need a RB for yet another season and a striker as we have done for what feels like an eternity. My fear is we'll struggle for goals, the likes of Eze should be the unexpected source for these which boost us massively, not the sole provider from a creative midfield responsibility. We look solid in goal, central defence and midfield but outside of that concerns are fair I'd say. I've discounted Franca so far as firstly I don't think anyone can fairly/accurately assess what impact he'll have and secondly he hasn't even arrived! We once again look to be a few biscuits short of the tin. Those in place are very good and I'm happy with them but I'm disappointed and I'd suggest justifiably anxious about starting the season with only half a Starting XI I have confidence in. That's before looking deeper at the squad. I am hoping for at least some attacking incomings, and not of the Plange or Banks ilk, however that is a dim glow of a hope. Nonetheless, COYP. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Aug 23 9.43am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Agree with all of that.

Lerma and Ahamada are upgrades right now, given all players respective ages and capabilities etc. Only my subjective view of course, and I'm very aware of this, but I think JMac has been our best and most influential player over the last 'x' period second only to Wilf. Paul Gascoigne was also one of the best players I've ever seen from these isles, wouldn't want him starting for us now though.

We've lost Wilf and Olise is at the very least unfit/unavailable for start of season. We now look very exposed on the wings and can see a continual rotation of reasonable but barely fit for purpose alternatives occupying those spaces. We need a RB for yet another season and a striker as we have done for what feels like an eternity.

My fear is we'll struggle for goals, the likes of Eze should be the unexpected source for these which boost us massively, not the sole provider from a creative midfield responsibility. We look solid in goal, central defence and midfield but outside of that concerns are fair I'd say. I've discounted Franca so far as firstly I don't think anyone can fairly/accurately assess what impact he'll have and secondly he hasn't even arrived!

We once again look to be a few biscuits short of the tin. Those in place are very good and I'm happy with them but I'm disappointed and I'd suggest justifiably anxious about starting the season with only half a Starting XI I have confidence in. That's before looking deeper at the squad.

I am hoping for at least some attacking incomings, and not of the Plange or Banks ilk, however that is a dim glow of a hope.

Nonetheless, COYP.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

The groover Danbury 02 Aug 23 10.11am
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad I have already said, the king stays in the middle if Roy has any sense, he said Eze has been given licence to express himself, he is a No !0, not an 11 or an 8, tinker with him and you take away the Eze magic Beat me to it. Eze though the centre is a no brainer.

The groover

Danbury 02 Aug 23 10.11am

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I have already said, the king stays in the middle if Roy has any sense, he said Eze has been given licence to express himself, he is a No !0, not an 11 or an 8, tinker with him and you take away the Eze magic

Beat me to it. Eze though the centre is a no brainer.

taylors lovechild 02 Aug 23 10.13am
I think that's a fair assessment Nicholas. If Olise were fit it would make a massive difference as with him on the right, Ayew on the left and Eze through the middle and Doucoure and Lerma behind we'd have the makings of a strong midfield. Without Olise there's too much reliance on Eze to make things happen and as I prophesised a month or so ago we'd start with Schlupp left and Ayew right, which is workmanlike but lacking in threat.

taylors lovechild

02 Aug 23 10.13am

I think that's a fair assessment Nicholas. If Olise were fit it would make a massive difference as with him on the right, Ayew on the left and Eze through the middle and Doucoure and Lerma behind we'd have the makings of a strong midfield. Without Olise there's too much reliance on Eze to make things happen and as I prophesised a month or so ago we'd start with Schlupp left and Ayew right, which is workmanlike but lacking in threat.

Painter Croydon 02 Aug 23 10.28am
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Agree with all of that. Lerma and Ahamada are upgrades right now, given all players respective ages and capabilities etc. Only my subjective view of course, and I'm very aware of this, but I think JMac has been our best and most influential player over the last 'x' period second only to Wilf. Paul Gascoigne was also one of the best players I've ever seen from these isles, wouldn't want him starting for us now though. We've lost Wilf and Olise is at the very least unfit/unavailable for start of season. We now look very exposed on the wings and can see a continual rotation of reasonable but barely fit for purpose alternatives occupying those spaces. We need a RB for yet another season and a striker as we have done for what feels like an eternity. My fear is we'll struggle for goals, the likes of Eze should be the unexpected source for these which boost us massively, not the sole provider from a creative midfield responsibility. We look solid in goal, central defence and midfield but outside of that concerns are fair I'd say. I've discounted Franca so far as firstly I don't think anyone can fairly/accurately assess what impact he'll have and secondly he hasn't even arrived! We once again look to be a few biscuits short of the tin. Those in place are very good and I'm happy with them but I'm disappointed and I'd suggest justifiably anxious about starting the season with only half a Starting XI I have confidence in. That's before looking deeper at the squad. I am hoping for at least some attacking incomings, and not of the Plange or Banks ilk, however that is a dim glow of a hope. Nonetheless, COYP. Calm down the transfer window isn’t over yet. There are more than likely players lined up, but it takes time, as clubs won’t let players go until they have a replacement. Only if your going to pay over the top for a player, will you get them straight away.

Painter

Croydon 02 Aug 23 10.28am

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Agree with all of that.

I am hoping for at least some attacking incomings, and not of the Plange or Banks ilk, however that is a dim glow of a hope.

Nonetheless, COYP.

Calm down the transfer window isn’t over yet. There are more than likely players lined up, but it takes time, as clubs won’t let players go until they have a replacement. Only if your going to pay over the top for a player, will you get them straight away.

Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 02 Aug 23 10.35am
We seem to be forgetting Rak-Sakyi, exactly the same player as Olise, but probably a season in the Championship away from Premiership, Schlupps best position is wide, cutting in on his left foot, or a Loan for a year, Olise is hot property at the moment, 60/70m should be accepted, you sell at the peak, one serious injury and a big fee goes out the window, similar to Salako. Self Sustainability through good scouting. “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Lanzo-Ad

Lanzarote 02 Aug 23 10.35am

We seem to be forgetting Rak-Sakyi, exactly the same player as Olise, but probably a season in the Championship away from Premiership, Schlupps best position is wide, cutting in on his left foot, or a Loan for a year, Olise is hot property at the moment, 60/70m should be accepted, you sell at the peak, one serious injury and a big fee goes out the window, similar to Salako. Self Sustainability through good scouting.

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Aug 23 10.35am
Originally posted by MrRobbo I love Jimmy as much as the next player, but Jimmy would have never been a £70m player...... £30m maybe I think Arsenal wanted him for around 45 mil at some stage. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Aug 23 10.35am

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I love Jimmy as much as the next player, but Jimmy would have never been a £70m player...... £30m maybe

I think Arsenal wanted him for around 45 mil at some stage.

Red and Blue Army!

southnorwoodhill 02 Aug 23 10.41am
The point isn't that Jimmy Mac is/isn't worth £xxx£, the point is is that he was invaluable to the Palace side at a particular moment in time. Some players are actually key to the side functioning well.

southnorwoodhill

02 Aug 23 10.41am

The point isn't that Jimmy Mac is/isn't worth £xxx£, the point is is that he was invaluable to the Palace side at a particular moment in time. Some players are actually key to the side functioning well.

Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 02 Aug 23 10.43am
We seem to be forgetting Rak-Sakyi, exactly the same player as Olise, but probably a season in the Championship away from Premiership, Schlupps best position is wide, cutting in on his left foot, or a Loan for a year, Olise is hot property at the moment, 60/70m should be accepted, you sell at the peak, one serious injury and a big fee goes out the window, similar to Salako. Self Sustainability through good scouting. “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Lanzo-Ad

Lanzarote 02 Aug 23 10.43am

Croydon-Trucker 02 Aug 23 10.54am
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad We seem to be forgetting Rak-Sakyi, exactly the same player as Olise, but probably a season in the Championship away from Premiership, Schlupps best position is wide, cutting in on his left foot, or a Loan for a year, Olise is hot property at the moment, 60/70m should be accepted, you sell at the peak, one serious injury and a big fee goes out the window, similar to Salako. Self Sustainability through good scouting. Yep agree with all that. Rak-Saki needs to work more now on his confidence than his skill as we all know he has that in abundance . I would let Olise go for anything over 60 mill if re-invested in the squad of course . He may never be the same player again after an injury like that .

Croydon-Trucker

02 Aug 23 10.54am

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Yep agree with all that. Rak-Saki needs to work more now on his confidence than his skill as we all know he has that in abundance . I would let Olise go for anything over 60 mill if re-invested in the squad of course . He may never be the same player again after an injury like that .

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 02 Aug 23 10.55am
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad We seem to be forgetting Rak-Sakyi, exactly the same player as Olise, but probably a season in the Championship away from Premiership, Schlupps best position is wide, cutting in on his left foot, or a Loan for a year, Olise is hot property at the moment, 60/70m should be accepted, you sell at the peak, one serious injury and a big fee goes out the window, similar to Salako. Self Sustainability through good scouting. This has popped up on 'NewsNow' about JRS & a few other kids, only thing ididn't like about the article is they seem to think we've only got 2 senior GK's & left out Remi Mathews . . . [Link] This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 02 Aug 23 10.55am

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

This has popped up on 'NewsNow' about JRS & a few other kids, only thing ididn't like about the article is they seem to think we've only got 2 senior GK's & left out Remi Mathews . . . [Link]

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

TheBigToePunt 02 Aug 23 11.00am
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad We seem to be forgetting Rak-Sakyi, exactly the same player as Olise, but probably a season in the Championship away from Premiership, Schlupps best position is wide, cutting in on his left foot, or a Loan for a year, Olise is hot property at the moment, 60/70m should be accepted, you sell at the peak, one serious injury and a big fee goes out the window, similar to Salako. Self Sustainability through good scouting. The flaw in that theory becomes apparent when you try to replace Olise. No matter how much work the scouting dept put in, every transfer is a gamble. The ones that do so well as to be worth far more than you bought them for are few and far between. Most will hopefully hold value, some will not. Right now, the simple fact is that if we sell Olise we have a weaker team. Rak-Sakyi plays in the same position and fashion as Olise, but has done nothing to show he is a preimer legaue match-winner.

TheBigToePunt

02 Aug 23 11.00am

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

We seem to be forgetting Rak-Sakyi, exactly the same player as Olise, but probably a season in the Championship away from Premiership, Schlupps best position is wide, cutting in on his left foot, or a Loan for a year, Olise is hot property at the moment, 60/70m should be accepted, you sell at the peak, one serious injury and a big fee goes out the window, similar to Salako. Self Sustainability through good scouting.

The flaw in that theory becomes apparent when you try to replace Olise. No matter how much work the scouting dept put in, every transfer is a gamble. The ones that do so well as to be worth far more than you bought them for are few and far between. Most will hopefully hold value, some will not. Right now, the simple fact is that if we sell Olise we have a weaker team.

Rak-Sakyi plays in the same position and fashion as Olise, but has done nothing to show he is a preimer legaue match-winner.

Putitout Oxford 02 Aug 23 11.04am
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Agree with all of that. Lerma and Ahamada are upgrades right now, given all players respective ages and capabilities etc. Only my subjective view of course, and I'm very aware of this, but I think JMac has been our best and most influential player over the last 'x' period second only to Wilf. Paul Gascoigne was also one of the best players I've ever seen from these isles, wouldn't want him starting for us now though. We've lost Wilf and Olise is at the very least unfit/unavailable for start of season. We now look very exposed on the wings and can see a continual rotation of reasonable but barely fit for purpose alternatives occupying those spaces. We need a RB for yet another season and a striker as we have done for what feels like an eternity. My fear is we'll struggle for goals, the likes of Eze should be the unexpected source for these which boost us massively, not the sole provider from a creative midfield responsibility. We look solid in goal, central defence and midfield but outside of that concerns are fair I'd say. I've discounted Franca so far as firstly I don't think anyone can fairly/accurately assess what impact he'll have and secondly he hasn't even arrived! We once again look to be a few biscuits short of the tin. Those in place are very good and I'm happy with them but I'm disappointed and I'd suggest justifiably anxious about starting the season with only half a Starting XI I have confidence in. That's before looking deeper at the squad. I am hoping for at least some attacking incomings, and not of the Plange or Banks ilk, however that is a dim glow of a hope. Nonetheless, COYP. We have played two good outfits in the states, in both games we had plenty of ball, good percentages of control, but as ever not enough goals to win the games. Hodgsons comments probably reflect that, but at the same time he knows it’s all we have ,we have little or nothing in the squad to cover what we do have. We do have a decent first eleven , some have said and I agree ,we are a couple of good players short of very good, that was with Wilf, and Olise. And even then not when injuries took players of their quality out. Quite honestly the team as it is without Eze, and we hang on his fitness, is very ordinary, with nothing in the squad ,or under 23s to change that There might be incomings, there might not , but if not forget top ten, because as it is we definitely are not better off than last season ,or the season before.

Putitout

Oxford 02 Aug 23 11.04am

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Agree with all of that.

I am hoping for at least some attacking incomings, and not of the Plange or Banks ilk, however that is a dim glow of a hope.

Nonetheless, COYP.

We have played two good outfits in the states, in both games we had plenty of ball, good percentages of control, but as ever not enough goals to win the games. Hodgsons comments probably reflect that, but at the same time he knows it’s all we have ,we have little or nothing in the squad to cover what we do have. We do have a decent first eleven , some have said and I agree ,we are a couple of good players short of very good, that was with Wilf, and Olise. And even then not when injuries took players of their quality out. Quite honestly the team as it is without Eze, and we hang on his fitness, is very ordinary, with nothing in the squad ,or under 23s to change that
There might be incomings, there might not , but if not forget top ten, because as it is we definitely are not better off than last season ,or the season before.

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