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Hansy 17 Nov 17 8.44am
Originally posted by nickgusset It's this devil May care attitude that will f*** Brexit up. Actually you are wrong. May was in favour of Remain, it's her team that include some hard-line brexiteers. The best thing to happen or BRexit and the EU leaders know this is if May continues in Power. If she doesn't and the Tories elect someone like Johnson, Davis or Fox as leader they will take a much more hardline approach. Remember even with a leadership change, the Tories don't need to call an election as they can still outvote Labour/Lib Dems and call upon DUP if needed. So, she's not this fictional character you are referring her to.

Hansy

17 Nov 17 8.44am

Originally posted by nickgusset

It's this devil May care attitude that will f*** Brexit up.

Actually you are wrong. May was in favour of Remain, it's her team that include some hard-line brexiteers. The best thing to happen or BRexit and the EU leaders know this is if May continues in Power. If she doesn't and the Tories elect someone like Johnson, Davis or Fox as leader they will take a much more hardline approach.

Remember even with a leadership change, the Tories don't need to call an election as they can still outvote Labour/Lib Dems and call upon DUP if needed.

So, she's not this fictional character you are referring her to.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Nov 17 8.49am
Originally posted by Hansy Actually you are wrong. May was in favour of Remain, it's her team that include some hard-line brexiteers. The best thing to happen or BRexit and the EU leaders know this is if May continues in Power. If she doesn't and the Tories elect someone like Johnson, Davis or Fox as leader they will take a much more hardline approach. Remember even with a leadership change, the Tories don't need to call an election as they can still outvote Labour/Lib Dems and call upon DUP if needed. So, she's not this fictional character you are referring her to. Hehe. Just realised what I wrote. I genuinely meant some people have a feck it devil may care attitude without a pun intended.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 17 Nov 17 8.49am

Originally posted by Hansy

Remember even with a leadership change, the Tories don't need to call an election as they can still outvote Labour/Lib Dems and call upon DUP if needed.

So, she's not this fictional character you are referring her to.

Hehe. Just realised what I wrote. I genuinely meant some people have a feck it devil may care attitude without a pun intended.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Nov 17 9.51am
Isabel Oakeshott had to shut Sonia Sodhe up last night on sky's paper preview. IO was explaining to the numbskulls in the country that more people adds to the housing crisis, whether we like it or not. The centre left, illogical and ideological idiot Sonia piped up that IO was xenophobic. IO rightly took great offence to this, said so and stared her down. Sodhe didn't know what to say and did one of those smiley, 'I'll just wait this out like this till the break' type faces as IO kept making her look a fool by going over how coming up with a perfectly logical point makes her dislike or hate foreign people and how offensive it was. Sonia, after getting carried away with her default bullsh1t reply didn't know what to say apart from just keep her fake wide mouthed smile to hide her uncomfortable embarrassment. Great telly. Shame it was at 11.44 a minute before the11.45 break. Wanted to see more of it. Quite arousing too. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 17 Nov 17 9.51am

Isabel Oakeshott had to shut Sonia Sodhe up last night on sky's paper preview. IO was explaining to the numbskulls in the country that more people adds to the housing crisis, whether we like it or not.

The centre left, illogical and ideological idiot Sonia piped up that IO was xenophobic. IO rightly took great offence to this, said so and stared her down. Sodhe didn't know what to say and did one of those smiley, 'I'll just wait this out like this till the break' type faces as IO kept making her look a fool by going over how coming up with a perfectly logical point makes her dislike or hate foreign people and how offensive it was. Sonia, after getting carried away with her default bullsh1t reply didn't know what to say apart from just keep her fake wide mouthed smile to hide her uncomfortable embarrassment.

Great telly. Shame it was at 11.44 a minute before the11.45 break. Wanted to see more of it. Quite arousing too.

COYP

hedgehog50 Croydon 17 Nov 17 10.12am
Originally posted by Kermit8 No "we" didn't. 51.8% did and that after that they had been cajoled and lied to by the Brexit campaign leaders as Ken rightly points out. Whereas the Remain campaign did no cajoling or lying at all. There won't be much of an agreement. The EU needs 27 countries to agree everything. It's a wonder they managed to agree on what shape table to sit around. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 17 Nov 17 10.12am

Originally posted by Kermit8

No "we" didn't. 51.8% did and that after that they had been cajoled and lied to by the Brexit campaign leaders as Ken rightly points out.

Whereas the Remain campaign did no cajoling or lying at all.
There won't be much of an agreement. The EU needs 27 countries to agree everything. It's a wonder they managed to agree on what shape table to sit around.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

steeleye20 Croydon 17 Nov 17 4.21pm
The taoiseach (Irish PM) was scathing about UK politicians who he said had backed Brexit without real thought to the consequences of leaving. “It’s 18 months since the referendum. It’s 10 years since people who wanted a referendum started agitating for one,” he said. “Sometimes it doesn’t seem like they have thought all this through. That must be the understatement of the year.......

steeleye20

Croydon 17 Nov 17 4.21pm

The taoiseach (Irish PM) was scathing about UK politicians who he said had backed Brexit without real thought to the consequences of leaving. “It’s 18 months since the referendum. It’s 10 years since people who wanted a referendum started agitating for one,” he said.

“Sometimes it doesn’t seem like they have thought all this through.

That must be the understatement of the year.......

Stuk Top half 17 Nov 17 4.32pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The taoiseach (Irish PM) was scathing about UK politicians who he said had backed Brexit without real thought to the consequences of leaving. “It’s 18 months since the referendum. It’s 10 years since people who wanted a referendum started agitating for one,” he said. “Sometimes it doesn’t seem like they have thought all this through. That must be the understatement of the year....... The persistent use of this word on UK news sites, in English, is really annoying. Unless they're going to start calling Merkel "the Bundeskanzler" or The Polish PM "the Premier Polski" along with every other foreign language just say the Irish PM. What he said however is irrelevant. His foreign minister's comments were even more stupid. Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 17 Nov 17 4.32pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The taoiseach (Irish PM) was scathing about UK politicians who he said had backed Brexit without real thought to the consequences of leaving. “It’s 18 months since the referendum. It’s 10 years since people who wanted a referendum started agitating for one,” he said.

“Sometimes it doesn’t seem like they have thought all this through.

That must be the understatement of the year.......

The persistent use of this word on UK news sites, in English, is really annoying.

Unless they're going to start calling Merkel "the Bundeskanzler" or The Polish PM "the Premier Polski" along with every other foreign language just say the Irish PM.

What he said however is irrelevant. His foreign minister's comments were even more stupid.

Optimistic as ever

hedgehog50 Croydon 17 Nov 17 5.13pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The taoiseach (Irish PM) was scathing about UK politicians who he said had backed Brexit without real thought to the consequences of leaving. “It’s 18 months since the referendum. It’s 10 years since people who wanted a referendum started agitating for one,” he said. “Sometimes it doesn’t seem like they have thought all this through. That must be the understatement of the year....... This from a 'leader' whose minor country would be bankrupt is it wasn't for billions of pounds in bailouts from the UK. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 17 Nov 17 5.13pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

“Sometimes it doesn’t seem like they have thought all this through.

That must be the understatement of the year.......

This from a 'leader' whose minor country would be bankrupt is it wasn't for billions of pounds in bailouts from the UK.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Badger11 Beckenham 17 Nov 17 5.19pm
I maybe wrong(it happens a lot) but my understanding of the Irish border problem is this: The UK wants a frictionless border, in other words carry on as now. The downside of this is that in theory people could fly to the Republic and sneak across the border into the UK. The UK says that this is not an issue and we can handle it. The EU also doesn't want a hard border however their concern is money or rather their fear that cheap UK goods will be smuggled across the border into the Republic. So the EU wants the North of Ireland to remain in the single market / customs Union to stop this. Now of course the EU is dressing this up as defending Ireland's rights / Good Friday agreement. We should tell the EU this is their problem to solve rather than them imposing EU restrictions on part of the UK. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 17 Nov 17 5.19pm

I maybe wrong(it happens a lot) but my understanding of the Irish border problem is this:

The UK wants a frictionless border, in other words carry on as now. The downside of this is that in theory people could fly to the Republic and sneak across the border into the UK. The UK says that this is not an issue and we can handle it.

The EU also doesn't want a hard border however their concern is money or rather their fear that cheap UK goods will be smuggled across the border into the Republic. So the EU wants the North of Ireland to remain in the single market / customs Union to stop this. Now of course the EU is dressing this up as defending Ireland's rights / Good Friday agreement.

We should tell the EU this is their problem to solve rather than them imposing EU restrictions on part of the UK.

One more point

Kermit8 Hevon 17 Nov 17 5.54pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I maybe wrong(it happens a lot) but my understanding of the Irish border problem is this: The UK wants a frictionless border, in other words carry on as now. The downside of this is that in theory people could fly to the Republic and sneak across the border into the UK. The UK says that this is not an issue and we can handle it. The EU also doesn't want a hard border however their concern is money or rather their fear that cheap UK goods will be smuggled across the border into the Republic. So the EU wants the North of Ireland to remain in the single market / customs Union to stop this. Now of course the EU is dressing this up as defending Ireland's rights / Good Friday agreement. We should tell the EU this is their problem to solve rather than them imposing EU restrictions on part of the UK. Yes, indeed, all that and more.. "The Good Friday Agreement of 1998 relied heavily on membership of the European Union, with free movement between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland a key part of that. Brexit will upset this delicate balance of power in the region and risk, as John Major has warned, the return of the "hard men" to Northern Ireland. "People regard the peace process, that was very hard-earned [as certain]," he warned earlier this year. "People shouldn't regard it as a given. It is uncertain, it is under stress, it is fragile." As Irish columnist Fintan O'Toole wrote, Brexit means that "English nationalists have planted a bomb under the settlement that brought peace to Northern Ireland." Business Insider Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 17 Nov 17 5.54pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I maybe wrong(it happens a lot) but my understanding of the Irish border problem is this:

We should tell the EU this is their problem to solve rather than them imposing EU restrictions on part of the UK.

Yes, indeed, all that and more..

"The Good Friday Agreement of 1998 relied heavily on membership of the European Union, with free movement between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland a key part of that.

Brexit will upset this delicate balance of power in the region and risk, as John Major has warned, the return of the "hard men" to Northern Ireland.

"People regard the peace process, that was very hard-earned [as certain]," he warned earlier this year.

"People shouldn't regard it as a given. It is uncertain, it is under stress, it is fragile."

As Irish columnist Fintan O'Toole wrote, Brexit means that "English nationalists have planted a bomb under the settlement that brought peace to Northern Ireland."

Business Insider

Big chest and massive boobs

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hedgehog50 Croydon 17 Nov 17 7.06pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Yes, indeed, all that and more.. "The Good Friday Agreement of 1998 relied heavily on membership of the European Union, with free movement between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland a key part of that. Brexit will upset this delicate balance of power in the region and risk, as John Major has warned, the return of the "hard men" to Northern Ireland. "People regard the peace process, that was very hard-earned [as certain]," he warned earlier this year. "People shouldn't regard it as a given. It is uncertain, it is under stress, it is fragile." As Irish columnist Fintan O'Toole wrote, Brexit means that "English nationalists have planted a bomb under the settlement that brought peace to Northern Ireland." Business Insider Scaremongering Remainer nonsense. [Grovelling apologies to scaremongers, Remainers, Mr. O'Toole, John Major and peddlers of nonsense in general.] Edited by hedgehog50 (17 Nov 2017 7.36pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 17 Nov 17 7.06pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Yes, indeed, all that and more..

"The Good Friday Agreement of 1998 relied heavily on membership of the European Union, with free movement between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland a key part of that.

As Irish columnist Fintan O'Toole wrote, Brexit means that "English nationalists have planted a bomb under the settlement that brought peace to Northern Ireland."

Business Insider

Scaremongering Remainer nonsense. [Grovelling apologies to scaremongers, Remainers, Mr. O'Toole, John Major and peddlers of nonsense in general.]

Edited by hedgehog50 (17 Nov 2017 7.36pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

corkery Cork City 17 Nov 17 7.53pm
They couldn't control the border with 5,000 soldiers, 30 EU customs officers are not going to be able to do much. We'll never die

corkery

Cork City 17 Nov 17 7.53pm

They couldn't control the border with 5,000 soldiers, 30 EU customs officers are not going to be able to do much.

We'll never die

Kermit8 Hevon 17 Nov 17 8.44pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Scaremongering Remainer nonsense. [Grovelling apologies to scaremongers, Remainers, Mr. O'Toole, John Major and peddlers of nonsense in general.] Edited by hedgehog50 (17 Nov 2017 7.36pm) I understand the intricacies of Brexit may be hard for some to take on board in a cerebral way. Apologies to those who cannot help lowering their intellect when it involves Johnny Foreigner and no offence intended. Edited by Kermit8 (17 Nov 2017 8.46pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 17 Nov 17 8.44pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Scaremongering Remainer nonsense. [Grovelling apologies to scaremongers, Remainers, Mr. O'Toole, John Major and peddlers of nonsense in general.]

Edited by hedgehog50 (17 Nov 2017 7.36pm)

I understand the intricacies of Brexit may be hard for some to take on board in a cerebral way.

Apologies to those who cannot help lowering their intellect when it involves Johnny Foreigner and no offence intended.

Edited by Kermit8 (17 Nov 2017 8.46pm)

Big chest and massive boobs

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hedgehog50 Croydon 17 Nov 17 8.57pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 I understand the intricacies of Brexit may be hard for some to take on board in a cerebral way. Apologies to those who cannot help lowering their intellect when it involves Johnny Foreigner and no offence intended. Edited by Kermit8 (17 Nov 2017 8.46pm) Are you calling me stupid? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 17 Nov 17 8.57pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

I understand the intricacies of Brexit may be hard for some to take on board in a cerebral way.

Apologies to those who cannot help lowering their intellect when it involves Johnny Foreigner and no offence intended.

Edited by Kermit8 (17 Nov 2017 8.46pm)

Are you calling me stupid?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Hrolf The Ganger 17 Nov 17 9.32pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 No "we" didn't. 51.8% did and that after that they had been cajoled and lied to by the Brexit campaign leaders as Ken rightly points out. FFS. As if the Remain camp didn't lie their arses off.

Hrolf The Ganger

17 Nov 17 9.32pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

No "we" didn't. 51.8% did and that after that they had been cajoled and lied to by the Brexit campaign leaders as Ken rightly points out.

FFS. As if the Remain camp didn't lie their arses off.

simlaboy coulsdon 17 Nov 17 9.35pm
Exactly what intricacies do you have to take on board to disembark from a sinking ship ?

simlaboy

coulsdon 17 Nov 17 9.35pm

Exactly what intricacies do you have to take on board to disembark from a sinking ship ?

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 18 Nov 17 12.49am
Quick reminder that the EU has FIVE Presidents Jean-Claude Juncker Donald Tusk Jeroen Dijsselbloem Mario Draghi and Martin Schulz You did not and cannot vote for any of them. Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 18 Nov 17 12.49am

Quick reminder that the EU has FIVE Presidents
Jean-Claude Juncker
Donald Tusk
Jeroen Dijsselbloem
Mario Draghi and
Martin Schulz
You did not and cannot vote for any of them.

Pro USA & Israel

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Nov 17 12.54am
Originally posted by Jimenez Quick reminder that the EU has FIVE Presidents Jean-Claude Juncker Donald Tusk Jeroen Dijsselbloem Mario Draghi and Martin Schulz You did not and cannot vote for any of them. Don't disagree with you. But pointing out what's bad about the EU doesn't really mask the fact there doesn't appear to be a cogent plan on the manner of leaving. That's my worry. If it still doesn't look good a couple of months away from the Brexit date, what then?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 18 Nov 17 12.54am

Originally posted by Jimenez

Quick reminder that the EU has FIVE Presidents
Jean-Claude Juncker
Donald Tusk
Jeroen Dijsselbloem
Mario Draghi and
Martin Schulz
You did not and cannot vote for any of them.

Don't disagree with you. But pointing out what's bad about the EU doesn't really mask the fact there doesn't appear to be a cogent plan on the manner of leaving.
That's my worry. If it still doesn't look good a couple of months away from the Brexit date, what then?

Kermit8 Hevon 18 Nov 17 8.02am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Are you calling me stupid? Is a racehorse that wears blinkers any less bright than those around him? Of course not. It's just that he has a narrow view foisted upon him when on the racecourse. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 18 Nov 17 8.02am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Are you calling me stupid?

Is a racehorse that wears blinkers any less bright than those around him? Of course not. It's just that he has a narrow view foisted upon him when on the racecourse.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Kermit8 Hevon 18 Nov 17 8.07am
Originally posted by Jimenez Quick reminder that the EU has FIVE Presidents Jean-Claude Juncker Donald Tusk Jeroen Dijsselbloem Mario Draghi and Martin Schulz You did not and cannot vote for any of them. A 27 country trading bloc is a big machine to operate. I didn't vote for any of the Conservatve PMs since the eighties here either. Just got to suck it up. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 18 Nov 17 8.07am

Originally posted by Jimenez

Quick reminder that the EU has FIVE Presidents
Jean-Claude Juncker
Donald Tusk
Jeroen Dijsselbloem
Mario Draghi and
Martin Schulz
You did not and cannot vote for any of them.

A 27 country trading bloc is a big machine to operate. I didn't vote for any of the Conservatve PMs since the eighties here either. Just got to suck it up.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Kermit8 Hevon 18 Nov 17 8.24am
Originally posted by simlaboy Exactly what intricacies do you have to take on board to disembark from a sinking ship ? First make sure the little lifeboat has supplies and isn't already infected with woodworm and rot if you are not going to stay to help plug the holes to keep the big ship afloat with its still abundant larder. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 18 Nov 17 8.24am

Originally posted by simlaboy

Exactly what intricacies do you have to take on board to disembark from a sinking ship ?

First make sure the little lifeboat has supplies and isn't already infected with woodworm and rot if you are not going to stay to help plug the holes to keep the big ship afloat with its still abundant larder.

Big chest and massive boobs

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