MP's shouldn't be standing for what they believe in - They're there to represent their constituents, not to direct the electorate but to serve as a means by which their constituants, including those who didn't vote for them, engage in the democratic process.

There should be more to democracy than just making a choice between four or five people every 1800 days.

Who cares about your sensible logic Jamie, David Cameron f*cked a pig, and we should never forget that.

Edited by DanH (25 Sep 2015 11.36am)

Who cares about your sensible logic Jamie, David Cameron f*cked a pig, and we should never forget that.

Edited by DanH (25 Sep 2015 11.36am)

Trying to link eating meat with smoking is absurd.

Eating meat is not unhealthy quite the opposite.

If she genuinely believes that, she should not be shadow farming minister

If she wanted to improve animal husbandry, that would be fair enough. She doesn't, she has a personal agenda that is not shared by the majority of people she is meant to represent.

Red meat is generally not unhealthy. Like any food group too much of one at the exclusion of others IS unhealthy.

Processed meat, like all processed foods is where there is more of an issue

A Labour Government "living within it's means"?

What a laugh..... it's almost worth voting them in in 2020 for the amusement!

Watching Corbyn on Andrew Marr, a few observations arise:

1. He uses the left won trick of avoiding answering direct questions by using emotive imagery. For example, when asked about his views on the monarchy, he avoids answering the question and for some reason says words to the effect of 'what is important? The million people going to food banks'. Answer the question;
2. He obviously supports some dubious causes. His answer to the question Marr asked him about the IRA was gutless and demonstrated a lack of desire to answer a serious question put to him;
3. How the f*** can you negotiate a political settlement with ISIS? That to me the crux of what his wrong with his politics and views. ISIS willnever negotiate. Barking;
4. Blaming NATO for Putin's invasion of Ukraine is also insane. They aren't a member of NATO and Putins drive to recapture the Soviet Union territories for Russia has nothing to do with NATO;
5. He looks incredibly uneasy being questioned and one can only think that as he has spent his life on the fringes, he has never had to answer any questions except use the rhetoric of the causes he supports. Now he is leader of the opposition he is going to be questioned and needs to understand that dismissing questions and having distain for those asking questions will only isolate him from the electorate.

A few points on this topic because I think it's incredibly important, personally, and am in total support of Terry McCarthy.

1) These comments were made before she became minister, thus I think she was totally within her rights to make them.

2) This isn't just an issue of health. The meat industry accounts for more carbon emmissions than cars, and scientists reckon that if global meat consumption continues as it is, it will account for the magic 2% rise in temperatures within our lifetimes on its own. That will see large amounts of the world submerged in water, causing increased migration, death, poverty etc etc.

3) Levels of heart disease, high cholesterol, cancer and obesity are all almost directly connected with an increase in processed food consumption, and the vast majority of processed food is meat. We in Britain eat twice the amount of meat we did 40 years ago, and given the hot topic of the NHS in this country, one way to drastically reduce the burden on the NHS would be to decrease the meat intake our society partakes in. Another example of the adverse health effects of animal products: I was talking to a bloke who used to work on a dairy farm, and he said that due to the increased consumption of milk, farmers were being forced in to pumping the cows with lactative chemicals to make them produce milk three times a day in contrast to their natural two. This meant the milk was of much worse quality, and he himself said he now doesn't drink cows milk because he thinks it's so bad for you.

Education on these subjects in this country is almost non-existent, and for a minister to actually come out and say that something has to be done would be very refreshing. Education is always the best method, and given the detachment most people have from what arrives on your plate and what is actually in it, what effect it's having on the environment and, crucially, knowing something has actually been tortured and killed for you to enjoy, I say fair play to McCarthy.

A few points on this topic because I think it's incredibly important, personally, and am in total support of Kerry McCarthy.

1) These comments were made before she became minister, thus I think she was totally within her rights to make them.

2) This isn't just an issue of health. The meat industry accounts for more carbon emmissions than cars, and scientists reckon that if global meat consumption continues as it is, it will account for the magic 2% rise in temperatures within our lifetimes on its own. That will see large amounts of the world submerged in water, causing increased migration, death, poverty etc etc.

3) Levels of heart disease, high cholesterol, cancer and obesity are all almost directly connected with an increase in processed food consumption, and the vast majority of processed food is meat. We in Britain eat twice the amount of meat we did 40 years ago, and given the hot topic of the NHS in this country, one way to drastically reduce the burden on the NHS would be to decrease the meat intake our society partakes in. Another example of the adverse health effects of animal products: I was talking to a bloke who used to work on a dairy farm, and he said that due to the increased consumption of milk, farmers were being forced in to pumping the cows with lactative chemicals to make them produce milk three times a day in contrast to their natural two. This meant the milk was of much worse quality, and he himself said he now doesn't drink cows milk because he thinks it's so bad for you.

Education on these subjects in this country is almost non-existent, and for a minister to actually come out and say that something has to be done would be very refreshing. Education is always the best method, and given the detachment most people have from what arrives on your plate and what is actually in it, what effect it's having on the environment and, crucially, knowing something has actually been tortured and killed for you to enjoy, I say fair play to McCarthy.

Oh, and while we're on the topic, this is really worth a watch if you're interested in how your food is produced: [Link]

Edited by serial thriller (27 Sep 2015 10.50am)