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Invalid user 2019 Flag 20 Nov 19 10.42am

Leaving aside your own party preference, who do you think performed best overall in tonight’s debate?"

Boris Johnson - 51%
Jeremy Corbyn - 49%

@yougov

 

Stirlingsays Flag 20 Nov 19 10.45am

The presenter was quite poor.

I found both of them appealed to their base and that nothing said within made much difference.

The audience questions were really crap as well.....very little actual serious policy talk.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Nov 19 10.56am

The Lib Dems are moaning they were left out of last night's debate, mind you I saw an article yesterday which claims that the more the public get to know Jo Swinson the more they dislike her.

She is running a presidential style campaign so that's not going to help if the public don't like the messenger.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 20 Nov 19 11.08am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I am a Tory and always have been but whilst I think that Boris makes a better orator than Corbyn I do have concerns about his substance as it doesn't seem to extend beyond his catchphrase "get Brexit done"

I couldn't bring myself to vote for Corbyn, Swinson is a nutjob that seems clueless about the real world and the Greens can't even run Brighton Council successfully let alone a country so it looks like I will have to vote for Boris by default

I agree and it has parallels with May and ‘strong and stable’. But Boris has far more in him than May and enough to beat Corbyn with his protest persona. If Boris was fighting Corbyn when May did then it might be a different matter. Against Blair he’d be beaten before day 1 and it would be a close thing vs David Miliband or similar, if his brother and the unions didn’t stab him in the front.

We are blessed with the worst leaders. All of them for a decade, and then there was Brown and Blair. None are very strong apart from Corbyn in one election and Sturgeon promising one policy of freedom to decide their future, with the EU doing it for them instead of the U.K. No wonder people don’t vote. It’s right in front of us now we’ve got to the point of all of them being a real disappointment.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 20 Nov 19 11.10am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The presenter was quite poor.

I found both of them appealed to their base and that nothing said within made much difference.

The audience questions were really crap as well.....very little actual serious policy talk.

ITV innit. The BBC1 Fiona Bruce programme was better. 40 mins. Farage got a real grilling from the audience. Did well I thought. I liked the ‘Well done’’ starts to his answers when an audience member went OTT at him and mostly got it wrong.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Nov 19 11.24am

A new take on electoral fraud

[Link]


I'm not convinced that this is actual fraud but the key question that the paper fails to ask and the council fails to clarify is how did these people get on the electoral roll if they haven't registered?

It's a one on one process, one form for one person. So how did hundreds of people who did not complete forms get enrolled? Where did the council staff get the information to make this mistake?

I think this is more cock up than conspiracy but it still should be explained.

 


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W12 20 Nov 19 12.02pm

Originally posted by Badger11

A new take on electoral fraud

[Link]


I'm not convinced that this is actual fraud but the key question that the paper fails to ask and the council fails to clarify is how did these people get on the electoral roll if they haven't registered?

It's a one on one process, one form for one person. So how did hundreds of people who did not complete forms get enrolled? Where did the council staff get the information to make this mistake?

I think this is more cock up than conspiracy but it still should be explained.

How is that not fraud?

How do you "accidentally" register someone to vote who hasn't asked to vote?

As we can see from what happened in Peterborough the issue of electoral fraud is now a major one that could change the entire direction of the country.

Labour is doing it's level best to sweep this under the carpet.

 

Matov Flag 20 Nov 19 12.16pm

Originally posted by Badger11

The Lib Dems are moaning they were left out of last night's debate, mind you I saw an article yesterday which claims that the more the public get to know Jo Swinson the more they dislike her.

Had dinner last night with some relatives who are the most apolitical people I know and her name was mentioned in context of coming across as a 'dreadful' woman.

Although to be fair in a conversation at work the general consensus was that if you could stick Priti Patels head on Swinson's body then you might have a half-decent looking politician. Neither rock my boat but each to their own.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 20 Nov 19 12.19pm

Originally posted by W12

How is that not fraud?

How do you "accidentally" register someone to vote who hasn't asked to vote?

As we can see from what happened in Peterborough the issue of electoral fraud is now a major one that could change the entire direction of the country.

Labour is doing it's level best to sweep this under the carpet.

Plymouth City Council did it in the last general election adding all the students to their list of voters even though the students had voted at home. There was trouble in the student area of Plymouth as all the students voted Labour due to the promise of student fees being abolished which of course we all know never happened. It was a Corbyn lie as he always does and the Tory MP got kicked out to let Luke Pollard in who has done nothing since he took office. A very mouthy bloke in fact. he is not rated down here in Plymouth. Just likes doing photo shoots as does Tudor Evans the leader of our council who is also Labour.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Nov 19 12.23pm

Originally posted by W12

How is that not fraud?

How do you "accidentally" register someone to vote who hasn't asked to vote?

As we can see from what happened in Peterborough the issue of electoral fraud is now a major one that could change the entire direction of the country.

Labour is doing it's level best to sweep this under the carpet.

The occasional mistake I can understand e.g. a typo but you are correct a mistake on this level needs to be explained.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Nov 19 12.24pm

Originally posted by susmik

Plymouth City Council did it in the last general election adding all the students to their list of voters even though the students had voted at home. There was trouble in the student area of Plymouth as all the students voted Labour due to the promise of student fees being abolished which of course we all know never happened. It was a Corbyn lie as he always does and the Tory MP got kicked out to let Luke Pollard in who has done nothing since he took office. A very mouthy bloke in fact. he is not rated down here in Plymouth. Just likes doing photo shoots as does Tudor Evans the leader of our council who is also Labour.

You obviously have a greater handle on this that the rest of us. Was this not investigated by the Electoral Commission? Did the other parties not complain?

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 20 Nov 19 12.41pm

Originally posted by susmik

Plymouth City Council did it in the last general election adding all the students to their list of voters even though the students had voted at home. There was trouble in the student area of Plymouth as all the students voted Labour due to the promise of student fees being abolished which of course we all know never happened. It was a Corbyn lie as he always does and the Tory MP got kicked out to let Luke Pollard in who has done nothing since he took office. A very mouthy bloke in fact. he is not rated down here in Plymouth. Just likes doing photo shoots as does Tudor Evans the leader of our council who is also Labour.

How could you know this?

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 20 Nov 19 12.47pm

Originally posted by Badger11

You obviously have a greater handle on this that the rest of us. Was this not investigated by the Electoral Commission? Did the other parties not complain?

Looking at the news story, the commission agreed that the Plymouth council broke the rules following complaints from other candidates.

 

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 20 Nov 19 12.57pm

Originally posted by Badger11

You obviously have a greater handle on this that the rest of us. Was this not investigated by the Electoral Commission? Did the other parties not complain?

You obviously do not follow electoral issues as it WAS picked up by the Commission at the time and it was front page news in national newspapers. Students now have to vote in their own areas and NOT in their university area. You need to check on things before you try to be clever and shoot someone down especially when you know FA about the subject.

 


Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 20 Nov 19 1.01pm

Originally posted by Badger11

You obviously have a greater handle on this that the rest of us. Was this not investigated by the Electoral Commission? Did the other parties not complain?

Just to educate you a bit further: [Link]

 


Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

W12 20 Nov 19 1.05pm

Originally posted by Badger11

You obviously have a greater handle on this that the rest of us. Was this not investigated by the Electoral Commission? Did the other parties not complain?

Because like every other institution it's run by people with the same bias and agenda.

[Link]

 

W12 20 Nov 19 1.15pm

Originally posted by W12

Because like every other institution it's run by people with the same bias and agenda.

[Link]

"Out of the 33,998 ballot papers counted, 9,898 were postal votes"

[Link]

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 20 Nov 19 1.18pm

Originally posted by susmik

You obviously do not follow electoral issues as it WAS picked up by the Commission at the time and it was front page news in national newspapers. Students now have to vote in their own areas and NOT in their university area. You need to check on things before you try to be clever and shoot someone down especially when you know FA about the subject.

Made me laugh.

You probably want to have a re-read of Badger’s post.

 

elgrande Flag bedford 20 Nov 19 1.55pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Looking at the news story, the commission agreed that the Plymouth council broke the rules following complaints from other candidates.

And I heard on the wireless this morning,they have done it again.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Nov 19 1.57pm

Originally posted by susmik

You obviously do not follow electoral issues as it WAS picked up by the Commission at the time and it was front page news in national newspapers. Students now have to vote in their own areas and NOT in their university area. You need to check on things before you try to be clever and shoot someone down especially when you know FA about the subject.

I think you may have misread my post or I may not have made my self clear. I was not being sarcastic I was genuinely asking as you appear to be from that area so I was bowing to your local knowledge.

Peace and love.

 


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