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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 29 Nov 17 7.50pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We have had nothing but mass criticism of leave since the vote.

The entire establishment was remain and they have done nothing but continually attack since the vote.

If another vote started I'm pretty sure the 'leave' campaign would get them back. But this question is done for, by rights, over a generation......just like we had to wait for a vote on the EU again after 74.

Just for balance then, will you outline what is going well thus far.

 

tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 29 Nov 17 7.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Isn't it?

These leave voices were a fraction of MPs.

The government.....the government sent a 'remain' leaflet to my door......That's how remain the establishment is......even now the leader voted remain.

The BBC favours remain and always has.

We are constantly awash with one sided 'remain' media.....no balance.

Come on, you can't really believe that the media is pro-remain - look at the Mail, Express, Telegraph, Sun - those are the principle drivers for Leave.

You often seem to regard the way people voted as a mark of their identity, rather than a vote. There is still no real clarity on how things are going to be any better after Brexit, so is it any wonder MPs think it's better to stay?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 29 Nov 17 8.18pm

Originally posted by tome

Come on, you can't really believe that the media is pro-remain - look at the Mail, Express, Telegraph, Sun - those are the principle drivers for Leave.

You often seem to regard the way people voted as a mark of their identity, rather than a vote. There is still no real clarity on how things are going to be any better after Brexit, so is it any wonder MPs think it's better to stay?


MP's vote on what they think is best for their constituents. They are representatives. If they believe Brexit will make things worse for their constituents, they should be free to contest it.

Many think MPs are delegates where they push for the consensus of who they represent. This is not strictly true as the consensus may not necessarily be the right choice for whatever reason.

It's a fine balance because mp's need re electing, to go against consensus (even though it may be in the best interests of constituents) means potential lost votes and no seat in the next parliament.

Could you vote for something even if in your heart of hearts you don't think it's the right thing to do?


Edited by nickgusset (29 Nov 2017 8.19pm)

 

.TUX. Flag 29 Nov 17 8.27pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

privately owned?

Strange that government finances consolidate out such loans and interest payments. That would suggest it's publicly owned.

Every Central Bank is privately owned.

 


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.TUX. Flag 29 Nov 17 9.06pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Just for balance then, will you outline what is going well thus far.

Just for balance then, will you outline what is going well thus far............with Draghi's policy of keeping the bloc 'alive' with his continual printing of money (from thin-air), ie the bloc has been 'spanking the plastic' for years yet you and yours, and i include the media, never mention this fact for some reason!?
Do you live your life this way? Would you ever condone this action?
Compulsory debt DELIBERATELY inflicted by the elite upon those poorer is theft/wealth confiscation.
Sadly, many are too dumb to see it.


 


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tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 29 Nov 17 10.34pm

Originally posted by nickgusset


MP's vote on what they think is best for their constituents. They are representatives. If they believe Brexit will make things worse for their constituents, they should be free to contest it.

Many think MPs are delegates where they push for the consensus of who they represent. This is not strictly true as the consensus may not necessarily be the right choice for whatever reason.

It's a fine balance because mp's need re electing, to go against consensus (even though it may be in the best interests of constituents) means potential lost votes and no seat in the next parliament.

Could you vote for something even if in your heart of hearts you don't think it's the right thing to do?

Edited by nickgusset (29 Nov 2017 8.19pm)

Your question is short-form for why I think party politics is a problem. As a party politician, you'd have to back positions you disagree with or risking getting it from the whips.

If I was an MP, I'd always want to vote on what I think will be best for the country and the community. Problem is, I don't think either are very good at distinguishing between wants and needs.

 


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wordup Flag 29 Nov 17 10.48pm

What's a few tens of billions between friends?

 

.TUX. Flag 29 Nov 17 10.52pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Financially, things today are far worse than in 2007/08. Fact.
If you want me to put a date on a downturn then you're out of luck, nobody can, but each day we are heading closer.
I merely warn people of what is more than likely ahead based on history........and basically i don't wish for anyone here (mostly) to get screwed again. I'm nice like that.

Financial crashes, housing crashes etc etc are all on a loop. A loop that many still ignore, despite knowing the facts.
And to show that i'm far from ''doom-laden'', on the upside i've also mentioned (as you haven't) Gold, Silver and 'crypto-currency' as a hedge against a downturn. Had anyone (who can't see their way past bloody property) asked, i'd have gladly offered some advice and then they'd also be currently sitting on a 'safe' +3,700% gain since the start of the year............with no tenants, agency fees or grief.

And no, it won't stay that way.



Currently, and just for the record, 4,300%.

..........with no tenants, agency fees or grief.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 30 Nov 17 10.12am

So after rebate we pay something around £180mill per week with the benefits of that coming back across to us through cheaper goods, grants, reciprocal arrangements etc, being worth much more.

£50billion agreed divorce bill is the equivalent to nearly six years payments and as it stands with no future benefits in order to claw it all back.

Oh, and more non-eu immigration to look forward to to help fill the gaps left by our Euro friends.

Edited by Kermit8 (30 Nov 2017 10.12am)

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 30 Nov 17 10.22am

Originally posted by nickgusset


MP's vote on what they think is best for their constituents. They are representatives. If they believe Brexit will make things worse for their constituents, they should be free to contest it.

What was the point of a referendum then if the MPs are going to disregard the result

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 30 Nov 17 10.31am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

What was the point of a referendum then if the MPs are going to disregard the result

This referendum was advisory, not binding on the government.

 

topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 30 Nov 17 10.38am

Originally posted by steeleye20

This referendum was advisory, not binding on the government.

It certainly wasn't sold to the public as such.

 


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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 30 Nov 17 10.44am

Originally posted by .TUX.

Every Central Bank is privately owned.

By...?

Certainly not how it's treated in the accounts of UK plc.

 

tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 30 Nov 17 11.19am

Originally posted by topcat

It certainly wasn't sold to the public as such.

That's just another in the long list of problems associated with it.

Number one for me is that it was not a vote for anything, just against the EU. Until there is a mandate as to what alternatives were available, we shouldn't have had a vote.

Or at least, it should have been the first in a series - ie, is there an appetite to leave? Well, that could have been the first vote. At which point the government sets up task forces to see what that could look like before starting the process on any of them. Puts the options to the people - stay, go on these terms.

Would have been better for everyone I think.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 17 11.27am

Originally posted by topcat

It certainly wasn't sold to the public as such.

The public were sold a lot of bs

 

topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 30 Nov 17 11.40am

Originally posted by tome

That's just another in the long list of problems associated with it.

Number one for me is that it was not a vote for anything, just against the EU. Until there is a mandate as to what alternatives were available, we shouldn't have had a vote.

Or at least, it should have been the first in a series - ie, is there an appetite to leave? Well, that could have been the first vote. At which point the government sets up task forces to see what that could look like before starting the process on any of them. Puts the options to the people - stay, go on these terms.

Would have been better for everyone I think.

I think you are correct but the government was so anti Brexit that I'm not sure that we could have trusted them to set up an impartial task force.

Even now, we are only hearing of the negative aspects of Brexit but I suppose this will always be the case until we know what, if any, positives there are.

I hope that in 10 years time, we will be outside the EU, looking at it getting more and more political and bureaucratic (and expensive) and thinking thank feck that we are out of that and that £50 billion was cheap.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 30 Nov 17 11.45am

Originally posted by topcat

I think you are correct but the government was so anti Brexit that I'm not sure that we could have trusted them to set up an impartial task force.

Even now, we are only hearing of the negative aspects of Brexit but I suppose this will always be the case until we know what, if any, positives there are.

I hope that in 10 years time, we will be outside the EU, looking at it getting more and more political and bureaucratic (and expensive) and thinking thank feck that we are out of that and that £50 billion was cheap.

It's a catch 22 for fervent Leavers. A healthy and prosperous EU will be beneficial to us and a not so much one (so that the UK can say 'Brexit' was the right way) will be detrimental to our economy assuming reciprocal trade deals are done and dusted then.

Ideally, it will go well for both. Well that's what we should all be hoping.

 


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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 01 Dec 17 12.00pm

Has anyone noticed that Brexit has basically turned our government into (even more) pandering sycophants? In desperation to get a deal with countries like the US, out leaders are forced into doing nothing more than simpering to nations across the world, with offers which will involve a selling off of our sovereignty and our dignity in order to achieve some sort of trade deal, which in most cases will be stacked in the favour of the other side.

This is no better demonstrated by May's complete inability to properly rebuke Trump following his racist tweeting and his subsequent slap down of our PM. The fact that she won't revoke his offer of a state visit and that she even made it in the first place is a sign of how insipid and weak our government has become.

It's embarrassing and looks weak.


If we were staying in the EU her, Boris and Gove might not have had to be such a sycophants, climbing over one another to blow smoke up Trump's a*se.

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 01 Dec 17 12.26pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Has anyone noticed that Brexit has basically turned our government into (even more) pandering sycophants? In desperation to get a deal with countries like the US, out leaders are forced into doing nothing more than simpering to nations across the world, with offers which will involve a selling off of our sovereignty and our dignity in order to achieve some sort of trade deal, which in most cases will be stacked in the favour of the other side.

This is no better demonstrated by May's complete inability to properly rebuke Trump following his racist tweeting and his subsequent slap down of our PM. The fact that she won't revoke his offer of a state visit and that she even made it in the first place is a sign of how insipid and weak our government has become.

It's embarrassing and looks weak.


If we were staying in the EU her, Boris and Gove might not have had to be such a sycophants, climbing over one another to blow smoke up Trump's a*se.

When the Queen goes on a "Head of State" visit, and she's been on a few - I'd always thought that reciprocal invitations were extended by the Queen too.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 01 Dec 17 12.58pm

Remainers will try anything to reverse Brexit. Anything. Ban the president from a low key visit, trade deals, engineer shyte deals with the EU or anyone else. Exaggerate anything else they can find. Anything.

Whenever anyone wants to stop something these days it's usually because they're remain.

 


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