This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
Visit the current forum | Forum Rules
| nickgusset |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
We have had nothing but mass criticism of leave since the vote. The entire establishment was remain and they have done nothing but continually attack since the vote. If another vote started I'm pretty sure the 'leave' campaign would get them back. But this question is done for, by rights, over a generation......just like we had to wait for a vote on the EU again after 74. Just for balance then, will you outline what is going well thus far.
|
|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Isn't it? These leave voices were a fraction of MPs. The government.....the government sent a 'remain' leaflet to my door......That's how remain the establishment is......even now the leader voted remain. The BBC favours remain and always has. We are constantly awash with one sided 'remain' media.....no balance. Come on, you can't really believe that the media is pro-remain - look at the Mail, Express, Telegraph, Sun - those are the principle drivers for Leave. You often seem to regard the way people voted as a mark of their identity, rather than a vote. There is still no real clarity on how things are going to be any better after Brexit, so is it any wonder MPs think it's better to stay?
|
|
| nickgusset |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by tome
Come on, you can't really believe that the media is pro-remain - look at the Mail, Express, Telegraph, Sun - those are the principle drivers for Leave. You often seem to regard the way people voted as a mark of their identity, rather than a vote. There is still no real clarity on how things are going to be any better after Brexit, so is it any wonder MPs think it's better to stay?
Many think MPs are delegates where they push for the consensus of who they represent. This is not strictly true as the consensus may not necessarily be the right choice for whatever reason. It's a fine balance because mp's need re electing, to go against consensus (even though it may be in the best interests of constituents) means potential lost votes and no seat in the next parliament. Could you vote for something even if in your heart of hearts you don't think it's the right thing to do?
|
|
| .TUX. |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
privately owned? Strange that government finances consolidate out such loans and interest payments. That would suggest it's publicly owned. Every Central Bank is privately owned.
Buy Litecoin. |
|
| .TUX. |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by nickgusset
Just for balance then, will you outline what is going well thus far. Just for balance then, will you outline what is going well thus far............with Draghi's policy of keeping the bloc 'alive' with his continual printing of money (from thin-air), ie the bloc has been 'spanking the plastic' for years yet you and yours, and i include the media, never mention this fact for some reason!?
Buy Litecoin. |
|
|
Originally posted by nickgusset
Many think MPs are delegates where they push for the consensus of who they represent. This is not strictly true as the consensus may not necessarily be the right choice for whatever reason. It's a fine balance because mp's need re electing, to go against consensus (even though it may be in the best interests of constituents) means potential lost votes and no seat in the next parliament. Could you vote for something even if in your heart of hearts you don't think it's the right thing to do? Edited by nickgusset (29 Nov 2017 8.19pm) Your question is short-form for why I think party politics is a problem. As a party politician, you'd have to back positions you disagree with or risking getting it from the whips. If I was an MP, I'd always want to vote on what I think will be best for the country and the community. Problem is, I don't think either are very good at distinguishing between wants and needs.
|
|
| wordup |
|
|---|---|
|
What's a few tens of billions between friends?
|
|
| .TUX. |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by .TUX.
Financially, things today are far worse than in 2007/08. Fact. Financial crashes, housing crashes etc etc are all on a loop. A loop that many still ignore, despite knowing the facts. And no, it won't stay that way.
Currently, and just for the record, 4,300%. ..........with no tenants, agency fees or grief.
Buy Litecoin. |
|
|
Originally posted by nickgusset
What was the point of a referendum then if the MPs are going to disregard the result
|
|
|
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
What was the point of a referendum then if the MPs are going to disregard the result This referendum was advisory, not binding on the government.
|
|
|
Originally posted by steeleye20
This referendum was advisory, not binding on the government. It certainly wasn't sold to the public as such.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses. |
|
|
Originally posted by .TUX.
Every Central Bank is privately owned. By...? Certainly not how it's treated in the accounts of UK plc.
|
|
|
Originally posted by topcat
It certainly wasn't sold to the public as such. That's just another in the long list of problems associated with it. Number one for me is that it was not a vote for anything, just against the EU. Until there is a mandate as to what alternatives were available, we shouldn't have had a vote. Or at least, it should have been the first in a series - ie, is there an appetite to leave? Well, that could have been the first vote. At which point the government sets up task forces to see what that could look like before starting the process on any of them. Puts the options to the people - stay, go on these terms. Would have been better for everyone I think.
|
|
| nickgusset |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by topcat
It certainly wasn't sold to the public as such. The public were sold a lot of bs
|
|
|
Originally posted by tome
That's just another in the long list of problems associated with it. Number one for me is that it was not a vote for anything, just against the EU. Until there is a mandate as to what alternatives were available, we shouldn't have had a vote. Or at least, it should have been the first in a series - ie, is there an appetite to leave? Well, that could have been the first vote. At which point the government sets up task forces to see what that could look like before starting the process on any of them. Puts the options to the people - stay, go on these terms. Would have been better for everyone I think. I think you are correct but the government was so anti Brexit that I'm not sure that we could have trusted them to set up an impartial task force. Even now, we are only hearing of the negative aspects of Brexit but I suppose this will always be the case until we know what, if any, positives there are. I hope that in 10 years time, we will be outside the EU, looking at it getting more and more political and bureaucratic (and expensive) and thinking thank feck that we are out of that and that £50 billion was cheap.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses. |
|
|
Originally posted by topcat
I think you are correct but the government was so anti Brexit that I'm not sure that we could have trusted them to set up an impartial task force. Even now, we are only hearing of the negative aspects of Brexit but I suppose this will always be the case until we know what, if any, positives there are. I hope that in 10 years time, we will be outside the EU, looking at it getting more and more political and bureaucratic (and expensive) and thinking thank feck that we are out of that and that £50 billion was cheap. It's a catch 22 for fervent Leavers. A healthy and prosperous EU will be beneficial to us and a not so much one (so that the UK can say 'Brexit' was the right way) will be detrimental to our economy assuming reciprocal trade deals are done and dusted then. Ideally, it will go well for both. Well that's what we should all be hoping.
Big chest and massive boobs |
|
|
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Has anyone noticed that Brexit has basically turned our government into (even more) pandering sycophants? In desperation to get a deal with countries like the US, out leaders are forced into doing nothing more than simpering to nations across the world, with offers which will involve a selling off of our sovereignty and our dignity in order to achieve some sort of trade deal, which in most cases will be stacked in the favour of the other side. This is no better demonstrated by May's complete inability to properly rebuke Trump following his racist tweeting and his subsequent slap down of our PM. The fact that she won't revoke his offer of a state visit and that she even made it in the first place is a sign of how insipid and weak our government has become. It's embarrassing and looks weak.
When the Queen goes on a "Head of State" visit, and she's been on a few - I'd always thought that reciprocal invitations were extended by the Queen too.
|
|
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2025 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.