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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 28 Sep 15 5.50pm

Quote matt_himself at 27 Sep 2015 10.07am

Watching Corbyn on Andrew Marr, a few observations arise:

1. He uses the left won trick of avoiding answering direct questions by using emotive imagery. For example, when asked about his views on the monarchy, he avoids answering the question and for some reason says words to the effect of 'what is important? The million people going to food banks'. Answer the question;
2. He obviously supports some dubious causes. His answer to the question Marr asked him about the IRA was gutless and demonstrated a lack of desire to answer a serious question put to him;
3. How the f*** can you negotiate a political settlement with ISIS? That to me the crux of what his wrong with his politics and views. ISIS willnever negotiate. Barking;
4. Blaming NATO for Putin's invasion of Ukraine is also insane. They aren't a member of NATO and Putins drive to recapture the Soviet Union territories for Russia has nothing to do with NATO;
5. He looks incredibly uneasy being questioned and one can only think that as he has spent his life on the fringes, he has never had to answer any questions except use the rhetoric of the causes he supports. Now he is leader of the opposition he is going to be questioned and needs to understand that dismissing questions and having distain for those asking questions will only isolate him from the electorate.

I thought Corbyn was pretty good on the Marr Show. I think he was clear on the monarchy, he doesn't personally want a hereditary monarch as head of state but accepts that the majority do. I don't think he supports the IRA or their use of violence. He does support a united Ireland, something I suspect most people think is inevitable. He specifically said you cannot negotiate with ISIS. He didn't blame NATO for Ukraine, he said the blame should be shared. I don't think he looked uneasy and thought his answers were more straightforward than what we get from Cameron and what we used to get from Blair.

I also thought that McDonnell made some good points in his speech. I support a lot of the old left ideas that they represent, including nationalisation of utilities and transport, support of union rights, attacking tax evasions and avoidance, and tax-breaks for the mega-rich (particularly foreign, often corrupt, mega-rich who increasingly own swathes of the country). It is the new left aspects that put me off where they put the interests of various minorities ahead of ordinary British working people. Also their refusal to even consider reform of the welfare and NHS systems. Unilateral disarmament and neglect of the armed forces would also be extremely dangerous given the world situation.

But they are a refreshing change from the identi-kit politicians we have had for too many years. If they came out against EU membership I would vote for them.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 28 Sep 15 6.00pm

Labour's foreign policy with Corbyn at the top needs to completely ignore him.

Also, Corbyn's nuclear policy ideas are complete loony tunes.

However, I agree that Corbyn, while not the brightest bulb in the party is a decent man and frankly a breath of fresh air.

I fully support Labour going back to more left wing ideas.

The party appears happier.....Selling your soul for elections is ultimately a sour victory.

Even most Tory voters think Cameron's a lying t=sser.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Sep 15 6.06pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Sep 2015 6.00pm

I fully support Labour going back to more left wing ideas.

As one Labour MP said Labour under Corbyn are an "Early 80s Trotskyite tribute act" or words to this effect.


Edited by Willo (28 Sep 2015 6.08pm)

 
leifandersonshair Flag Newport 28 Sep 15 6.51pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 6.06pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Sep 2015 6.00pm

I fully support Labour going back to more left wing ideas.

As one Labour MP said Labour under Corbyn are an "Early 80s Trotskyite tribute act" or words to this effect.


Edited by Willo (28 Sep 2015 6.08pm)

I've never understood the denigration of someone because they held similar views to a previous political figure. 'Trotskyite, Marxist', or 'Thatcherite'. But hey, easier to sneer that someone is a 'Trotskyite throwback' or 'out of touch Thatcherite' than actually consider their policies.

Personally, I like Corbyn. Seems honest, or at least principled, not out of touch, and I agree with a lot of his policies. Not all, but a lot.

And, crucially, his career path hasn't been the typical- graduate from Oxbridge, political researcher or other soft insider job for a few years, safe seat in Parliament then groomed for the top by never ever actually saying anything, just smiling at the right times, always voting with your Party, and the occasional puff piece by a friendly journo about what a great leader so and so would make.

 
Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Sep 15 6.59pm

Quote leifandersonshair at 28 Sep 2015 6.51pm

I've never understood the denigration of someone because they held similar views to a previous political figure. 'Trotskyite, Marxist', or 'Thatcherite'. But hey, easier to sneer that someone is a 'Trotskyite throwback' or 'out of touch Thatcherite' than actually consider their policies.

It would appear that this Labour figure HAS considered Corbyn's policies and formulated a judgement accordingly.


 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 28 Sep 15 7.50pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 6.59pm

Quote leifandersonshair at 28 Sep 2015 6.51pm

I've never understood the denigration of someone because they held similar views to a previous political figure. 'Trotskyite, Marxist', or 'Thatcherite'. But hey, easier to sneer that someone is a 'Trotskyite throwback' or 'out of touch Thatcherite' than actually consider their policies.

It would appear that this Labour figure HAS considered Corbyn's policies and formulated a judgement accordingly.



McDonnell has assembled a team of top economic advisors. Gideon has aa 2:11 in something non economic. I know who I'd trust more.

 
Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Sep 15 7.57pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Sep 2015 7.50pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 6.59pm

Quote leifandersonshair at 28 Sep 2015 6.51pm

I've never understood the denigration of someone because they held similar views to a previous political figure. 'Trotskyite, Marxist', or 'Thatcherite'. But hey, easier to sneer that someone is a 'Trotskyite throwback' or 'out of touch Thatcherite' than actually consider their policies.

It would appear that this Labour figure HAS considered Corbyn's policies and formulated a judgement accordingly.



McDonnell has assembled a team of top economic advisors. Gideon has aa 2:11 in something non economic. I know who I'd trust more.

And I know who I trust more !


 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 28 Sep 15 8.01pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 7.57pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Sep 2015 7.50pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 6.59pm

Quote leifandersonshair at 28 Sep 2015 6.51pm

I've never understood the denigration of someone because they held similar views to a previous political figure. 'Trotskyite, Marxist', or 'Thatcherite'. But hey, easier to sneer that someone is a 'Trotskyite throwback' or 'out of touch Thatcherite' than actually consider their policies.

It would appear that this Labour figure HAS considered Corbyn's policies and formulated a judgement accordingly.



McDonnell has assembled a team of top economic advisors. Gideon has aa 2:11 in something non economic. I know who I'd trust more.

And I know who I trust more !



You trust those who take from those that need it most. You trust those that are increasing the deficit.

 
elgrande Flag bedford 28 Sep 15 8.07pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Sep 2015 8.01pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 7.57pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Sep 2015 7.50pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 6.59pm

Quote leifandersonshair at 28 Sep 2015 6.51pm

I've never understood the denigration of someone because they held similar views to a previous political figure. 'Trotskyite, Marxist', or 'Thatcherite'. But hey, easier to sneer that someone is a 'Trotskyite throwback' or 'out of touch Thatcherite' than actually consider their policies.

It would appear that this Labour figure HAS considered Corbyn's policies and formulated a judgement accordingly.



McDonnell has assembled a team of top economic advisors. Gideon has aa 2:11 in something non economic. I know who I'd trust more.

And I know who I trust more !



You trust those who take from those that need it most. You trust those that are increasing the deficit.


And Labour want to bring in thousands of "Refugees" and house them before the people already here and needing housing.

Who's taking from the ones who need it more.

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 28 Sep 15 8.24pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Sep 2015 8.01pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 7.57pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Sep 2015 7.50pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 6.59pm

Quote leifandersonshair at 28 Sep 2015 6.51pm

I've never understood the denigration of someone because they held similar views to a previous political figure. 'Trotskyite, Marxist', or 'Thatcherite'. But hey, easier to sneer that someone is a 'Trotskyite throwback' or 'out of touch Thatcherite' than actually consider their policies.

It would appear that this Labour figure HAS considered Corbyn's policies and formulated a judgement accordingly.



McDonnell has assembled a team of top economic advisors. Gideon has aa 2:11 in something non economic. I know who I'd trust more.

And I know who I trust more !



You trust those who take from those that need it most. You trust those that are increasing the deficit.


The Shadow Chancellor said to the Guardian, as per previous post, that he would vote for the Tories Fiscal Charter. He also said he would reject austerity, increase spending yet reduce the deficit.

As I asked yesterday, how will this happen? At face value, it doesn't appear to add up.

 

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chris123 Flag hove actually 28 Sep 15 8.31pm

Quote matt_himself at 28 Sep 2015 8.24pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Sep 2015 8.01pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 7.57pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Sep 2015 7.50pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 6.59pm

Quote leifandersonshair at 28 Sep 2015 6.51pm

I've never understood the denigration of someone because they held similar views to a previous political figure. 'Trotskyite, Marxist', or 'Thatcherite'. But hey, easier to sneer that someone is a 'Trotskyite throwback' or 'out of touch Thatcherite' than actually consider their policies.

It would appear that this Labour figure HAS considered Corbyn's policies and formulated a judgement accordingly.



McDonnell has assembled a team of top economic advisors. Gideon has aa 2:11 in something non economic. I know who I'd trust more.

And I know who I trust more !



You trust those who take from those that need it most. You trust those that are increasing the deficit.


The Shadow Chancellor said to the Guardian, as per previous post, that he would vote for the Tories Fiscal Charter. He also said he would reject austerity, increase spending yet reduce the deficit.

As I asked yesterday, how will this happen? At face value, it doesn't appear to add up.


And when someone works it out, do tell Greece.

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 28 Sep 15 8.37pm

Quote chris123 at 28 Sep 2015 8.31pm

Quote matt_himself at 28 Sep 2015 8.24pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Sep 2015 8.01pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 7.57pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Sep 2015 7.50pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 6.59pm

Quote leifandersonshair at 28 Sep 2015 6.51pm

I've never understood the denigration of someone because they held similar views to a previous political figure. 'Trotskyite, Marxist', or 'Thatcherite'. But hey, easier to sneer that someone is a 'Trotskyite throwback' or 'out of touch Thatcherite' than actually consider their policies.

It would appear that this Labour figure HAS considered Corbyn's policies and formulated a judgement accordingly.



McDonnell has assembled a team of top economic advisors. Gideon has aa 2:11 in something non economic. I know who I'd trust more.

And I know who I trust more !



You trust those who take from those that need it most. You trust those that are increasing the deficit.


The Shadow Chancellor said to the Guardian, as per previous post, that he would vote for the Tories Fiscal Charter. He also said he would reject austerity, increase spending yet reduce the deficit.

As I asked yesterday, how will this happen? At face value, it doesn't appear to add up.


And when someone works it out, do tell Greece.


The shadow Chancellor only said he supported it in that he wants it rid of by 2020. Nothing more other than he'd go about it a different way.

 
Catfish Flag Burgess Hill 28 Sep 15 8.45pm

Can anyone give an example of when a country has spent its way out of a slump? The only instances I can think of where a government has tried to manipulate the economy by artificially promoting growth it has resulted in a sterling crisis and devaluation.

 

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legaleagle Flag 28 Sep 15 9.02pm

USA under FDR in the 1930's...that's why he's revered as one of the all time great US presidents...

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 28 Sep 15 9.04pm

I'm sure I read that for every pound spent on building houses is worth nearly treble that for the economy.

 
sydtheeagle Flag England 28 Sep 15 10.03pm

Quote legaleagle at 28 Sep 2015 9.02pm

USA under FDR in the 1930's...that's why he's revered as one of the all time great US presidents...

Not to mention the post-war economic boom, a time of massive investment in infrastructure, widespread nationalisation and the creation of the NHS.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 28 Sep 15 10.08pm

Quote elgrande at 28 Sep 2015 8.07pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Sep 2015 8.01pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 7.57pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Sep 2015 7.50pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 6.59pm

Quote leifandersonshair at 28 Sep 2015 6.51pm

I've never understood the denigration of someone because they held similar views to a previous political figure. 'Trotskyite, Marxist', or 'Thatcherite'. But hey, easier to sneer that someone is a 'Trotskyite throwback' or 'out of touch Thatcherite' than actually consider their policies.

It would appear that this Labour figure HAS considered Corbyn's policies and formulated a judgement accordingly.



McDonnell has assembled a team of top economic advisors. Gideon has aa 2:11 in something non economic. I know who I'd trust more.

And I know who I trust more !



You trust those who take from those that need it most. You trust those that are increasing the deficit.


And Labour want to bring in thousands of "Refugees" and house them before the people already here and needing housing.

Who's taking from the ones who need it more.

Well the Conservatives want to being in 20,000 before the next election, and UKIPs Nigel Farage also supports taking in of refuges.


 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 28 Sep 15 10.10pm

Quote matt_himself at 28 Sep 2015 8.24pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Sep 2015 8.01pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 7.57pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Sep 2015 7.50pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 6.59pm

Quote leifandersonshair at 28 Sep 2015 6.51pm

I've never understood the denigration of someone because they held similar views to a previous political figure. 'Trotskyite, Marxist', or 'Thatcherite'. But hey, easier to sneer that someone is a 'Trotskyite throwback' or 'out of touch Thatcherite' than actually consider their policies.

It would appear that this Labour figure HAS considered Corbyn's policies and formulated a judgement accordingly.



McDonnell has assembled a team of top economic advisors. Gideon has aa 2:11 in something non economic. I know who I'd trust more.

And I know who I trust more !



You trust those who take from those that need it most. You trust those that are increasing the deficit.


The Shadow Chancellor said to the Guardian, as per previous post, that he would vote for the Tories Fiscal Charter. He also said he would reject austerity, increase spending yet reduce the deficit.

As I asked yesterday, how will this happen? At face value, it doesn't appear to add up.

Increased taxation I believe is their idea. That rather than just take it from the people most dependent on government services, the cost would be born across the spectrum of society, even including companies that avoid paying corporation tax.


 

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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elgrande Flag bedford 28 Sep 15 10.13pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Sep 2015 10.08pm

Quote elgrande at 28 Sep 2015 8.07pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Sep 2015 8.01pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 7.57pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Sep 2015 7.50pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 6.59pm

Quote leifandersonshair at 28 Sep 2015 6.51pm

I've never understood the denigration of someone because they held similar views to a previous political figure. 'Trotskyite, Marxist', or 'Thatcherite'. But hey, easier to sneer that someone is a 'Trotskyite throwback' or 'out of touch Thatcherite' than actually consider their policies.

It would appear that this Labour figure HAS considered Corbyn's policies and formulated a judgement accordingly.



McDonnell has assembled a team of top economic advisors. Gideon has aa 2:11 in something non economic. I know who I'd trust more.

And I know who I trust more !



You trust those who take from those that need it most. You trust those that are increasing the deficit.


And Labour want to bring in thousands of "Refugees" and house them before the people already here and needing housing.

Who's taking from the ones who need it more.

Well the Conservatives want to being in 20,000 before the next election, and UKIPs Nigel Farage also supports taking in of refuges.



Not saying there is anything wrong with it Jamie,just look after the needy here first.

 

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 28 Sep 15 10.13pm

Quote Willo at 28 Sep 2015 6.06pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Sep 2015 6.00pm

I fully support Labour going back to more left wing ideas.

As one Labour MP said Labour under Corbyn are an "Early 80s Trotskyite tribute act" or words to this effect.


Edited by Willo (28 Sep 2015 6.08pm)

Clearly one who'd never had any experience of Trotsky...

 

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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