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DanH Flag SW2 19 May 16 3.08pm

Jacob Rees-Mogg is a sniveling little vole faced turd who was the kind of kid at school who would grass you up to the teacher at every opportunity.

The c*nt.

 

JohnyBoy Flag 19 May 16 3.10pm

Originally posted by johnfirewall

All guesses at best.

Even the last part which would be quite easy to substantiate is incorrect.

What the hell is the debt figure based on? Presumably another guess on Gilt ratings.

We can dismiss all the economists, imf, BofE, OECD forecasts as 'guesses' and just stick our fingers in our ears but surely this is like Nero playing the fiddle while Rome burns. I promise you, if all of the above concluded that we would be better off in the event if brexit, i would vote to leave.
Re the debt figure. Currently its 6% of public spending. The forecasts (which is what the financial markets work around) suggest that gdp would be reduced, sterling would decline especially versus the dollar. What do you think will happen at the next treasury auction? If you have worked in the same bond markets as i have you would surely agree that a less favourable economic outlook would require higher yields .i.e what we have to pay to the bondholders for lending us money would go up. With this rising and the amount available for other public services reducing due to a reduced gdp, the % of public expenditure going to service debt would logically rise.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 19 May 16 3.25pm

One hears the arguments from the 'City of London', and the anxieties that have been expressed.

These arguments were raised many years ago, when many of the very same "Remainers" prophesied disaster for the City of London if we failed to join the darned Euro. They said all the banks would flee to Frankfurt. In actual fact Canary Wharf alone is now far bigger than the Frankfurt financial centre and has kept growing since the crash of 2008.
I could go on and on........

Anyway I am reaching for my "Soapbox" so perhaps it is best if I allow others to debate this issue.In all honesty, my wife has had enough of me "Preaching" to her and going on about the EU Referendum incessantly !

 

DanH Flag SW2 19 May 16 3.31pm

I honestly feel so sorry for your wife.

 

Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 19 May 16 3.43pm

Originally posted by DanH

I honestly feel so sorry for your wife.

That's a bit patronising, isn't it?

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

JohnyBoy Flag 19 May 16 3.45pm

Originally posted by Willo

One hears the arguments from the 'City of London', and the anxieties that have been expressed.

These arguments were raised many years ago, when many of the very same "Remainers" prophesied disaster for the City of London if we failed to join the darned Euro. They said all the banks would flee to Frankfurt. In actual fact Canary Wharf alone is now far bigger than the Frankfurt financial centre and has kept growing since the crash of 2008.
I could go on and on........

Anyway I am reaching for my "Soapbox" so perhaps it is best if I allow others to debate this issue.In all honesty, my wife has had enough of me "Preaching" to her and going on about the EU Referendum incessantly !

The euro is very different with respect Willo. There was never a consensus (as the leave campaign seem to be suggesting) that we should join, infact i remember the BofE was against joining, at the time being criticised as having a conflict of interest as it would have also taken away monetary policy from the MPC, which is its main function. I recall that the politicians were split and said it would only be considered if 5 key economic conditions were met, one of which was fiscal and monetary discipline including public deficits by euro members i.e. it was never gonna happen.
Businesses and economists were similarly split, but imo i think this is a smokescreen, we are not in the euro, we have control of our own monetary policy, we will not be required to bail out Greece or any euro member should they need it and there is little chance of that changing over the long term.

 

DanH Flag SW2 19 May 16 3.46pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

That's a bit patronising, isn't it?


All meant in jest m'dear.

 

Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 19 May 16 4.19pm

Originally posted by DanH


All meant in jest m'dear.

Remainder.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 19 May 16 5.46pm

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

I have to say this one made me laugh or cry maybe, but perhaps we should pay attention to our mums rather than angry white disestablishment male types who see no value in education who, if they manage to get their misinformation believed would make us all as miserable as them....but anti-intellectualism really isnt that cool is it when you consider what the leave vote really is about
Higher enemployment
Higher inflation
Higher interest rates
Falling property prices
Reduced funding for public services (including NHS, pensions, education, defence, welfare and transport)
We would lose the right to live, work and retire abroad (except if you are rich enough)
Increased risk of terrorism (according to MI6)
Reduced investment/jobs from foreign companies (e.g what Bloomberg and Fujitsu have said this morning.)
Reduced workers rights e.g. paternity leave
£4300 worse off per household (assuming average 2 adult family earning £23.5k pa)
Customs duties re-introduced
Co-ordinated defence/peace policy which has helped Europe achieve the longest period of peace since roman times.
Higher debt servicing costs (currently 6% of public spending likely rising to 9-10%)
Co-ordinated environmental policy (pollution has no boundaries)
A say in the rules and regulations we would still have to comply with if we want to continue to trade with europe.
Trade tarrifs re-introduced (probably at WTO levels 15-20%)
Against the advice of all major independent institutions (imf, oecd, world bank, treasury, atleast 90% of economists, all living PM's and former PM's, all major political parties except UKIP, DUP & respect party)

Are remain voters all really little mummys boys?? Really?? Or is it just fanciful thinking by those leave voters on there downers that an immigrant free Britain would bring some kind of depressed utopia....and they think if they throw in a little bit of name-calling that we will come round to their irrational way of thinking...Really?


Johny(mummies)Boy please watch this, the man behind it is our very own Jeremy Hoskins [Link]

 


VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

JohnyBoy Flag 19 May 16 5.58pm

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

Johny(mummies)Boy please watch this, the man behind it is our very own Jeremy Hoskins [Link]

I have responded to this already, please see my post on previous page at 2:13pm today concluding that we are net better off by £1.2b a week with £14b additional funding for the NHS if we remain

 

DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 19 May 16 6.13pm

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

I have responded to this already, please see my post on previous page at 2:13pm today concluding that we are net better off by £1.2b a week with £14b additional funding for the NHS if we remain

Please share with everyone where you have sourced these figures from. You seriously believe the UK is £1.2b a week better off staying in the EU?

 


VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

JohnyBoy Flag 19 May 16 6.23pm

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

Please share with everyone where you have sourced these figures from. You seriously believe the UK is £1.2b a week better off staying in the EU?

Thought i did this already. Source: Treasury says avg uk household will be worse off by £4,300 pa. There are 19million households in uk. 4,300×19,000,0000 = £81billion which equals 1.57billion per week. Minus £350m = £1.2billion net better off. Additionally gdp growth could be 9.5% reduced in event of brexit source IMF. translated into public spending a 9.5% reduction in health budget = 14billion less spent on the Nhs.

 

corkery Flag Cork City 19 May 16 6.34pm

Why are Irish people allowed vote? Ye can't vote in our referenda. There must be 100k Irish in the UK.

 


We'll never die

Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 19 May 16 6.36pm

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

Thought i did this already. Source: Treasury says avg uk household will be worse off by £4,300 pa. There are 19million households in uk. 4,300×19,000,0000 = £81billion which equals 1.57billion per week. Minus £350m = £1.2billion net better off. Additionally gdp growth could be 9.5% reduced in event of brexit source IMF. translated into public spending a 9.5% reduction in health budget = 14billion less spent on the Nhs.

I'm not sure that HM Treasury can be relied upon as a disinterested source, especially as, historically, they don't have a particularly impressive track record in their forecasts.

I'd view any info from a Government source with considerable suspicion.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 19 May 16 6.45pm

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

Thought i did this already. Source: Treasury says avg uk household will be worse off by £4,300 pa. There are 19million households in uk. 4,300×19,000,0000 = £81billion which equals 1.57billion per week. Minus £350m = £1.2billion net better off. Additionally gdp growth could be 9.5% reduced in event of brexit source IMF. translated into public spending a 9.5% reduction in health budget = 14billion less spent on the Nhs.

No, forgot the monopoly fake printed figures the government has confused you with. Tell us which economist or politician has stated we would be £1.2billion net a week better off.
It's a ludicrous claim, and you know it.

BTW there are 27million households and the £4300 is scaremonger pseudo figure from Eurocrats.
If you read this [Link] you will see we are actually nearly £1000 a year better off

 


VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

JohnyBoy Flag 19 May 16 6.56pm

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

No, forgot the monopoly fake printed figures the government has confused you with. Tell us which economist or politician has stated we would be £1.2billion net a week better off.
It's a ludicrous claim, and you know it.

BTW there are 27million households and the £4300 is scaremonger pseudo figure from Eurocrats.
If you read this [Link] you will see we are actually nearly £1000 a year better off

I am an economist actually, and its a simple sum, i've stated which sources i used....what you choose to believe is up to you but if i were you i would be very wary of leave propoganda

 

JohnyBoy Flag 19 May 16 7.02pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I'm not sure that HM Treasury can be relied upon as a disinterested source, especially as, historically, they don't have a particularly impressive track record in their forecasts.

I'd view any info from a Government source with considerable suspicion.

Again you are welcome to believe what you want cucking, i do that too all the time but at the same time if there was a blazing fire and they told you it was all fine and safe to return, i'm sure you would be the first to criticise them when you got burned.
The treasury has still got the most information on the uk economy with departments dedicated to 'as accurate as possible' forecasts, it would surely be foolish to dismiss them out of hand

 

Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 19 May 16 7.04pm

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

I am an economist actually, and its a simple sum, i've stated which sources i used....what you choose to believe is up to you but if i were you i would be very wary of leave propoganda

So information from the Remain camp is 'statistics' but if it originates from the Brexit side it's 'propaganda'?

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

JohnyBoy Flag 19 May 16 7.18pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

So information from the Remain camp is 'statistics' but if it originates from the Brexit side it's 'propaganda'?

It is propoganda when they use "350m more spent on the Nhs" because they know 350m sounds like a hell of a lot of money to average Joe, and the nhs is emotionally important but when it doesnt put the figure into context i.e less than 1% of gov spending or what the cost of exit would be e.g 1.2b pw then it does become misleading propoganda

 

becky Flag over the moon 19 May 16 7.22pm

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

The euro is very different with respect Willo. There was never a consensus (as the leave campaign seem to be suggesting) that we should join, infact i remember the BofE was against joining, at the time being criticised as having a conflict of interest as it would have also taken away monetary policy from the MPC, which is its main function. I recall that the politicians were split and said it would only be considered if 5 key economic conditions were met, one of which was fiscal and monetary discipline including public deficits by euro members i.e. it was never gonna happen.
Businesses and economists were similarly split, but imo i think this is a smokescreen, we are not in the euro, we have control of our own monetary policy, we will not be required to bail out Greece or any euro member should they need it and there is little chance of that changing over the long term.


Not through being part of the Eurozone, I agree, but we ARE bailing them (and everyone else in trouble) out through member ship of the IMF - same horse, different colour!

 


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