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Originally posted by Cpfc1861
Taking the knee is a symbol of black lives matter I see there banners all over stadiums on pins it is for that movement. No it isn't. If you haven't heard Gareth Southgate on this subject I suggest you find his interview and weigh his words carefully. This issue is not about what anyone here thinks of the letters BLM, in whatever form they appear. That's your business. The FA, clubs and players have made it crystal clear that they have no interest in BLM the political movement and their sole interest is promoting attention on the concept that "black lives matter". It's really simple. This is only about what the players think about it and the fans showing them respect. Even if they disagree.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No it isn't. If you haven't heard Gareth Southgate on this subject I suggest you find his interview and weigh his words carefully. This issue is not about what anyone here thinks of the letters BLM, in whatever form they appear. That's your business. The FA, clubs and players have made it crystal clear that they have no interest in BLM the political movement and their sole interest is promoting attention on the concept that "black lives matter". It's really simple. This is only about what the players think about it and the fans showing them respect. Even if they disagree. Southgate is a puppet and will say whatever the FA tell him
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No it isn't. If you haven't heard Gareth Southgate on this subject I suggest you find his interview and weigh his words carefully. This issue is not about what anyone here thinks of the letters BLM, in whatever form they appear. That's your business. The FA, clubs and players have made it crystal clear that they have no interest in BLM the political movement and their sole interest is promoting attention on the concept that "black lives matter". It's really simple. This is only about what the players think about it and the fans showing them respect. Even if they disagree. If it’s possible to support the message without endorsing the organisation then why isn’t it possible support the message while disavowing the gesture?
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This hypocritical attempt at an analogy cannot be taken seriously. If you cannot see why I am certainly not going to point it out. My word that response is thick. You obviously don’t see why so I’m not going to point it out to you.
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
What I don’t understand in all this is that it is plainly obvious the taking of a knee has become divisive amongst the people. But do they stop it? No of course they don’t because just like some on hear they don’t listen to the majority, they pamper to the minority. There are lots of far better ways of getting racial equality across than this subservient kneeling. Even AJ now agrees, or in truth has probably been advised. But nevertheless he has decided to redouble his efforts on racial equality from a different standpoint. It’s time footballers did the same. As for that mouthpiece Southgate, he would probably field the women’s team if he was told to by the FA so I wouldn’t trust anything he says. You're missing the point taking the knee is all about inclusivity and social harmony. The sooner you lot recognise this and obey my orders the happier we'll all be.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
If it’s possible to support the message without endorsing the organisation then why isn’t it possible support the message while disavowing the gesture? I would add that the players can say what they want however the BLM symbol is bold and clear, in grounds and on shirts. It’s a bit like having the Labour Party advertised all over the ground and then saying it’s not a political gesture it’s because we agree with their policy on Brexit, or Immigration etc. In short, just because the players have decided that supporting the letters BLM and kneeling is okay doesn’t mean it isn’t a political gesture to the BLM movement. I fail to see how you could ever remove the link between the two. It is free advertising for a horrible organisation and I bet they are loving it. Kick politics out of sport should be the real slogan.
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Originally posted by Badger11
You're missing the point taking the knee is all about inclusivity and social harmony. The sooner you lot recognise this and obey my orders the happier we'll all be. Yep, and whilst you’re down there!
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Southgate is a puppet and will say whatever the FA tell him In this matter he IS the FA's spokesperson. So if you want to argue with the FA then fine. Just don't take it out on the players!
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
If it’s possible to support the message without endorsing the organisation then why isn’t it possible support the message while disavowing the gesture? Back around the circle we go. Taking the knee was not started by BLM the political movement. The gesture has been adopted to show solidarity with the idea. A simple act of brotherhood.
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
My word that response is thick. You obviously don’t see why so I’m not going to point it out to you. Oh I am happy to admit that I don't have any idea why you consider my response "thick". Maybe one of your "friends" here would like to point out to you why your analogy is so inappropriate. Or perhaps they cannot see it either.
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
I would add that the players can say what they want however the BLM symbol is bold and clear, in grounds and on shirts. It’s a bit like having the Labour Party advertised all over the ground and then saying it’s not a political gesture it’s because we agree with their policy on Brexit, or Immigration etc. In short, just because the players have decided that supporting the letters BLM and kneeling is okay doesn’t mean it isn’t a political gesture to the BLM movement. I fail to see how you could ever remove the link between the two. It is free advertising for a horrible organisation and I bet they are loving it. Kick politics out of sport should be the real slogan. A couple of weeks ago I tuned into LBC on a late after/early Saturday evening. I think they have a regular left or left of centre guest who was debating Brexit at the time if I remember correctly. She claimed everything was political from the moment you make breakfast in the morning. She’d be in a bit of a corner on this.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Back around the circle we go. Taking the knee was not started by BLM the political movement. The gesture has been adopted to show solidarity with the idea. A simple act of brotherhood. Kaepernick’s original protest was to kneel while everyone else was standing for the National anthem to show his contempt not to show his fraternity with his white teammates. Exactly the opposite in fact.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Kaepernick’s original protest was to kneel while everyone else was standing for the National anthem to show his contempt not to show his fraternity with his white teammates. Exactly the opposite in fact. Indeed. This is where it has been taken out of context. The reason BLM adopted it is I reckon far more to do with the kneeling on the neck of Floyd.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This hypocritical attempt at an analogy cannot be taken seriously. If you cannot see why I am certainly not going to point it out. because you dont know either??
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Originally posted by the silurian
because you dont know either?? If somebody who spends most days continuously persisting with long, waffling, argumentative, incoherent posts for the sake of attention seeking says that they are 'not going to bother' articulating their disagreement with your statement it can only be the highest possible acknowledgement of validity.
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Southgate is a puppet and will say whatever the FA tell him 100% this
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
If somebody who spends most days continuously persisting with long, waffling, argumentative, incoherent posts for the sake of attention seeking says that they are 'not going to bother' articulating their disagreement with your statement it can only be the highest possible acknowledgement of validity. You forgot to say getting increasingly rude towards posters who don’t conform to his view of the world
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
If somebody who spends most days continuously persisting with long, waffling, argumentative, incoherent posts for the sake of attention seeking says that they are 'not going to bother' articulating their disagreement with your statement it can only be the highest possible acknowledgement of validity. There is not an ounce of validity in your analogy. I kind of hoped you would be able to see why yourself. It's really not that difficult but here it is. Your hypothetical "National Front" and nazi style salute would, if attempted, be seen by everyone for what it was, as it would be seen in the context of THIS situation. If it had happened without the existence of the "black lives matter" gestures, and the subsequent attempts to link them to the BLM political movement, then you would have a perfectly valid point. One that actually supports the one that says there is no connection between "black lives matter" gestures by the players and the politics of the BLM organisation. But it cannot so happen. The players are making the gesture so that context exists and cannot be brushed aside just because you want to. The players and FA have made their position very clear. Booing them taking the knee is disrespecting the players and NOT protesting about a political movement. Those that do it, or defend those who do, should be ashamed of themselves.
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