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.TUX. Flag 17 Dec 17 1.47pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No. We haven't left yet. All I hear is bulls*** scaremongering by the w***ers of the Remain camp.

And I am still delighted that we are leaving.

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 17 Dec 17 4.53pm

I am pleased we are remaining as that is what we are doing.

The PM was applauded after her remain presentation at the summit.

We could go back in 3 months for more talks but why bother as we are giving more away each time for no reason.

Can you leave but remain? Very much so and that's the end game here.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 17 Dec 17 5.27pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I am pleased we are remaining as that is what we are doing.

The PM was applauded after her remain presentation at the summit.

We could go back in 3 months for more talks but why bother as we are giving more away each time for no reason.

Can you leave but remain? Very much so and that's the end game here.

It's a bit early for the weed isn't it?

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 17 Dec 17 5.51pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Every predication made by Remain has not come true. The predictions of immediate economic implosion turned out to be false. Millions of jobs were going to go, yet we have the lowest unemployment in generations

I and 17m others voted not to go into a Federal Europe which, by stealth, would happen.

Labelling us as being irrational for not wanting to be undemocratically subsumed into a superstate is arrogant and false.

26 EU countries on the road to a kind of hell and us, the one to differ, on the road to redemption, you mean? That could also be seen as arrogant and false.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 17 Dec 17 8.06pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

26 EU countries on the road to a kind of hell and us, the one to differ, on the road to redemption, you mean? That could also be seen as arrogant and false.

Where did I say that? Why twist words like that?

What I said was that the British people voted against being part of a Federal Superstate. That is the democratic will of the people and must be respected. It is clear that the establishment cannot be trusted on the EU and has led countries to this point by stealth, bullying or ignoring democracy.

What makes you think the 26 countries in the EU want a Federal Superstate? The Eastern Europeans don’t, nor do the Nordics or the likes of Greece. What makes you think they are aligned?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Dec 17 8.16pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Where did I say that? Why twist words like that?

What I said was that the British people voted against being part of a Federal Superstate. That is the democratic will of the people and must be respected. It is clear that the establishment cannot be trusted on the EU and has led countries to this point by stealth, bullying or ignoring democracy.

What makes you think the 26 countries in the EU want a Federal Superstate? The Eastern Europeans don’t, nor do the Nordics or the likes of Greece. What makes you think they are aligned?

Whats the power of veto all about or for then?

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 17 Dec 17 8.32pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Where did I say that? Why twist words like that?

What I said was that the British people voted against being part of a Federal Superstate. That is the democratic will of the people and must be respected. It is clear that the establishment cannot be trusted on the EU and has led countries to this point by stealth, bullying or ignoring democracy.

What makes you think the 26 countries in the EU want a Federal Superstate? The Eastern Europeans don’t, nor do the Nordics or the likes of Greece. What makes you think they are aligned?

Some of the British people. A tiny majority and I'm not as sure all of them would have been as au fait with the intricacies of potential EU evolution as you seem to be. There were a variety of reasons they voted Leave with immigration, money, and sovereignty all being mentioned consistently backed up with general resentment.

You can't speak for them as say "They voted against being part of a Federal Superstate" just because that was your main reason for doing so. It's disingenuous. You don't know why exactly they voted Leave because there wasn't one overriding issue.

 


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.TUX. Flag 17 Dec 17 8.42pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Some of the British people. A tiny majority and I'm not as sure all of them would have been as au fait with the intricacies of potential EU evolution as you seem to be. There were a variety of reasons they voted Leave with immigration, money, and sovereignty all being mentioned consistently backed up with general resentment.

You can't speak for them as say "They voted against being part of a Federal Superstate" just because that was your main reason for doing so. It's disingenuous. You don't know why exactly they voted Leave because there wasn't one overriding issue.

Which should tell you all you need to know.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Dec 17 8.53pm

The EU27’s chief negotiator, however, cast doubt on Sunday as to whether the government would be allowed sufficient flexibility to strike such a deal on Sunday. In an interview with Prospect magazine, Michel Barnier said:

“They have to realise there won’t be any cherry picking. We won’t mix up the various scenarios to create a specific one and accommodate their wishes, mixing, for instance, the advantages of the Norwegian model, member of the single market, with the simple requirements of the Canadian one. No way. They have to face the consequences of their own decision.”

Barnier also reiterated the EU’s insistence that detailed talks on a future trade deal will only begin after Brexit. Davis has insisted the substance of a trade deal could be in place within the next 12 months.

“The actual negotiations on the future relationship will only begin once the UK leaves the EU,” he said.

Tory rebels urge Theresa May to form cross-party alliance for soft Brexit

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Gonna be a rocky road. The article points towards the idea of a cross party soft Brexit remain in the single market types caucus .

There s just too many variables to even guess what the final outcome will be. But if there were a range of reasons for voting for Brexit, not all leavers will get the Brexit means Brexit they thought they were voting for.
Still, you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Edited by nickgusset (17 Dec 2017 8.55pm)

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 17 Dec 17 8.56pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Which should tell you all you need to know.

Explain.

Yes, I know the EU has its faults, but for all that overall, in the last four decades, in all its incarnations it has served us and Europe well generally considering the state of the place back in the 50's.

You been called up yet? No, me neither. You enjoying the cleaner river and sea? Yep, me too. Do you think our relatives from the 1950's and 1960's would gasp in awe about our general standard of living today with all the mod cons and the amazing variety of choice in foodstuffs we have? Yes, me too. And not many of them had been on a plane or abroad. 'What do you mean Rome for £99 return?' That's the same as £9 back in '65' Fantastic'.

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 17 Dec 17 9.11pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Explain.

Yes, I know the EU has its faults, but for all that overall, in the last four decades, in all its incarnations it has served us and Europe well generally considering the state of the place back in the 50's.

You been called up yet? No, me neither. You enjoying the cleaner river and sea? Yep, me too. Do you think our relatives from the 1950's and 1960's would gasp in awe about our general standard of living today with all the mod cons and the amazing variety of choice in foodstuffs we have? Yes, me too. And not many of them had been on a plane or abroad. 'What do you mean Rome for £99 return?' That's the same as £9 back in '65' Fantastic'.

Lol - you are presuming that by not joining the EU Britain would have been in a time warp.
The truth is nobody knows what Britain would be like now had we of not joined.
The EU don't have the monopoly on cheap flights. These are available throughout the world and the EU are not responsible for the variety of foodstuffs sold here either as you say.

 


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.TUX. Flag 17 Dec 17 9.39pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Explain.

Yes, I know the EU has its faults, but for all that overall, in the last four decades, in all its incarnations it has served us and Europe well generally considering the state of the place back in the 50's.

You been called up yet? No, me neither. You enjoying the cleaner river and sea? Yep, me too. Do you think our relatives from the 1950's and 1960's would gasp in awe about our general standard of living today with all the mod cons and the amazing variety of choice in foodstuffs we have? Yes, me too. And not many of them had been on a plane or abroad. 'What do you mean Rome for £99 return?' That's the same as £9 back in '65' Fantastic'.

I will when i stop laughing at the above.

Edit: Tom beat me to it.

Edited by .TUX. (17 Dec 2017 9.40pm)

 


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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 17 Dec 17 9.52pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Explain.

Yes, I know the EU has its faults, but for all that overall, in the last four decades, in all its incarnations it has served us and Europe well generally considering the state of the place back in the 50's.

You been called up yet? No, me neither. You enjoying the cleaner river and sea? Yep, me too. Do you think our relatives from the 1950's and 1960's would gasp in awe about our general standard of living today with all the mod cons and the amazing variety of choice in foodstuffs we have? Yes, me too. And not many of them had been on a plane or abroad. 'What do you mean Rome for £99 return?' That's the same as £9 back in '65' Fantastic'.

Most of this due to the free market economy for all its faults.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 17 Dec 17 9.59pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

I will when i stop laughing at the above.

Edit: Tom beat me to it.

Edited by .TUX. (17 Dec 2017 9.40pm)

Your laughter is in the absence of any argument.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 18 Dec 17 3.00am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Explain.

Yes, I know the EU has its faults, but for all that overall, in the last four decades, in all its incarnations it has served us and Europe well generally considering the state of the place back in the 50's.

You been called up yet? No, me neither. You enjoying the cleaner river and sea? Yep, me too. Do you think our relatives from the 1950's and 1960's would gasp in awe about our general standard of living today with all the mod cons and the amazing variety of choice in foodstuffs we have? Yes, me too. And not many of them had been on a plane or abroad. 'What do you mean Rome for £99 return?' That's the same as £9 back in '65' Fantastic'.

Classic Kermit.

 


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.TUX. Flag 18 Dec 17 6.24am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Your laughter is in the absence of repeating any argument.

EFA

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 18 Dec 17 6.30am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Explain.

Yes, I know the EU has its faults, but for all that overall, in the last four decades, in all its incarnations it has served us and Europe well generally considering the state of the place back in the 50's.

You been called up yet? No, me neither. You enjoying the cleaner river and sea? Yep, me too. Do you think our relatives from the 1950's and 1960's would gasp in awe about our general standard of living today with all the mod cons and the amazing variety of choice in foodstuffs we have? Yes, me too. And not many of them had been on a plane or abroad. 'What do you mean Rome for £99 return?' That's the same as £9 back in '65' Fantastic'.

I am going to have a horrible week at work and this has cheered me up no end.

Thank you Michael. Thank you.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 18 Dec 17 8.15am

Glad to be of help Matthew.

Lots of faux laughter from the harem of Hard Brexiteers I see but not much in the way of rebuttal.

I do believe you lot have truly lost the plot. God help us if you get your way.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 18 Dec 17 9.46am

 

matt_himself Flag Matataland 18 Dec 17 9.49am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Glad to be of help Matthew.

Lots of faux laughter from the harem of Hard Brexiteers I see but not much in the way of rebuttal.

I do believe you lot have truly lost the plot. God help us if you get your way.

Rebuttal - you appear to be giving the EU credit for world peace and all consumer science developments since 1945.

Seeing as how the EU has only existed since 1992, that is preposterous. Even if the EU had existed since 1945, that would be preposterous as well.

You appear to be confusing dreams and reality to defend your uptopian vision of the EU.

 


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