This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
The Brexit Thread (LOCKED)
Visit the current forum | Forum Rules
 fed up eagle  Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 19 May 16 7.26pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Cucking Funt
So information from the Remain camp is 'statistics' but if it originates from the Brexit side it's 'propaganda'? The Remain camp are using scare stories too, like the one about Europe going to war. Now while I agree that the EU has probably helpedkeep the peace between France and Germany but how us leaving is going to start a war is beyond me.
|
|
| DivingIsNotGood se25 19 May 16 7.42pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by JohnyBoy
I am an economist actually, and its a simple sum, i've stated which sources i used....what you choose to believe is up to you but if i were you i would be very wary of leave propoganda I do not believe 1.2billion percent that the UK would be 1.2bn net better off a week. We are already thousands worse off than we were 20 years ago with the rise in the cost of living, wage freezes.
VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again |
|
| DivingIsNotGood se25 19 May 16 7.48pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by legaleagle
No war if we leave,agreed. But,undoubtedly,there are still flashpoints in Europe where war is possible (and horrendous atrocities happened not too long ago) and EU membership (or the carrot of it) helps in reducing that as a possibility;ie former Yugoslavia. So,in that sense the bigger and stronger a united EU setting an example,the better... In terms of security,it would seem there is a good argument EU membership is beneficial to mutual cooperation/liaison but its not the case it would disappear completely if we left. How did the EU combat these terrorist networks operating across EU borders that have carried out two large-scale terrorist attacks on European capitals within months of each other, highlighting the weaknesses of both domestic and international intelligence services? What security
VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again |
|
| JohnyBoy 19 May 16 8.01pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by becky
And a different referendum or does brexit mean we will be leaving the imf?
|
|
| JohnyBoy 19 May 16 8.07pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by fed up eagle
The Remain camp are using scare stories too, like the one about Europe going to war. Now while I agree that the EU has probably helpedkeep the peace between France and Germany but how us leaving is going to start a war is beyond me. I do agree with you on this one, implying impending war was OTT and i think backfired on the remain campaign....although the principle that inderdependent trading nations has helped forge 70 years of european peace and prosperity (the longest since roman times) i do believe
|
|
| JohnyBoy 19 May 16 8.11pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood
I do not believe 1.2billion percent that the UK would be 1.2bn net better off a week. We are already thousands worse off than we were 20 years ago with the rise in the cost of living, wage freezes. I agree we will see a housing market correction at some point, as for the rest of your forecasts, we will agree to differ
|
|
| JohnyBoy 19 May 16 8.36pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by becky
As a slightly different take on the issue, projections, 'facts' and figures aside, ask yourself this question....... imagining that the situation was reversed and we were voting to join the EU or not, based on what we actually KNOW about the organisation, it's operations and organisation, it's waste and unaccountability, would you vote to join or stay out? It may help some of the undecided among you to take another look at the situation from a different perspective. Honestly Becky, i would vote to join...i would however have to look at the figures/stats to arrive at this judgement, which i think are compelling
|
|
 becky over the moon 19 May 16 8.40pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by JohnyBoy
Honestly Becky, i would vote to join...i would however have to look at the figures/stats to arrive at this judgement, which i think are compelling Yeh, I think we've all got that message
A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers |
|
| JohnyBoy 19 May 16 8.44pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by becky
Yeh, I think we've all got that message So can i count on all of you to vote remain then?
|
|
| becky over the moon 19 May 16 8.46pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by JohnyBoy
So can i count on all of you to vote remain then? I voted not to go in last time, and I'll vote to come out this ......
A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers |
|
| JohnyBoy 19 May 16 8.50pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by becky
I voted not to go in last time, and I'll vote to come out this ...... I sense that you are definitely warming to all the positives of remaining though....
|
|
| crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 19 May 16 9.02pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Indeed it matters not what the ES said, nor (evidently) the chief speechwriter for New Labour said of the policy. All that matters is Nigel Farage repeated (almost verbatim) those same words. That then permits people like you to not only dogpile onto him, but conveniently conflate "diversity" with "there is a black women sat next to you". This is exactly why Labour was, and remains fcuked. Election results have demonstrated they have alienated their core vote, and the North are abandoning Labour in droves. Who needs to shoot off your foot, when you've stepped on a landmine. Finally, to the point. I've not watched a single debate in this run up, where remain have been polled as winning it. Point me to some - I've been disappointed with their level of debate this far, as have the audience. Is the Mirror debate online in full yet? To the chagrin of the Mirror it was polled as a leave victory, but presumably under a somewhat select audience. I would be really interested to see the Remain argument put forward in debate well enough that it had swayed the audience. If you know of one, link appreciated. If you insist on labouring the point; the journalist in question was not Labour's chief speech writer, he worked for Jack Straw for a short time in 2001/2, a very temporary position it seems. He was the Standard journalist who ran the story, having reverted to his former career. He also has pointed out how the mail and telegraph distorted what he actually said and used it to fit their agenda, not unusual among journalists I'm sure you'll agree. Farage chose to repeat those distortions, but attributed them to Mandelson, which was foolish at best. The "out" panel chose to include someone who wasn't old male and white, and seem to be surprised that she took offence at Farage's remarks. How that is "dogpiling"(sic) I'm not too sure, as the phrase has little logical meaning. In any event, Farage will probably continue to alienate far more people than he will attract. He clearly needs to gain the support of waverers, who are essential if he wants to achieve his objective. That doesn't seem to be happening, quelle surprise!
I used to be immortal |
|
| Hoof Hearted 20 May 16 9.21am | |
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by DanH
Jacob Rees-Mogg is a sniveling little vole faced turd who was the kind of kid at school who would grass you up to the teacher at every opportunity. The c*nt. Careful Dan.... Kermit doesn't like Character Assassinations on here.
|
|
| Hoof Hearted 20 May 16 9.28am | |
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by JohnyBoy
We can dismiss all the economists, imf, BofE, OECD forecasts as 'guesses' and just stick our fingers in our ears but surely this is like Nero playing the fiddle while Rome burns. I promise you, if all of the above concluded that we would be better off in the event if brexit, i would vote to leave.
All the eminent economists back then were predicting meltdown if we didn't adopt the Euro.... "Britain would be in the Economic Slow Lane" they shouted at the top of their voices. We ignored them by sticking our fingers in our ears and fiddled away.... the Pound was voted in and our economy is now outstripping the Eurozone very comfortably indeed. Ladies and Gentlemen... stick your fingers in your ears, take your violin in hand and begin fiddling.... then vote LEAVE on June 23rd. Edited by Hoof Hearted (20 May 2016 9.31am)
|
|
| Hoof Hearted 20 May 16 9.35am | |
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by corkery
Why are Irish people allowed vote? Ye can't vote in our referenda. There must be 100k Irish in the UK. I imagine Cameron has calculated that the majority of Irish voters will back his campaign?
|
|
Supreme Leader  pyongyang 20 May 16 9.35am |
|
|---|---|
|
A great movie on Brexit, it explains alot. [Link]
They hate us cos they ain't us. |
|
| JohnyBoy 20 May 16 9.43am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
All the eminent economists back then were predicting meltdown if we didn't adopt the Euro.... "Britain would be in the Economic Slow Lane" they shouted at the top of their voices. We ignored them by sticking our fingers in our ears and fiddled away.... the Pound was voted in and our economy is now outstripping the Eurozone very comfortably indeed. Ladies and Gentlemen... stick your fingers in your ears, take your violin in hand and begin fiddling.... then vote LEAVE on June 23rd. Edited by Hoof Hearted (20 May 2016 9.31am) I dont think its me thats re-writing history Hoof, the truth is the BofE never supported euro entry, the treasury remained largely silent and put the case for both sides, the IMF remained independent and the politicians (pm and chancellor) said it it would only be considered if 5 economic conditions were met....thats what happened but like i say its irrelevant to this debate, we are not, and were never even close to joining the euro..and we will retain for the long term our own monetary policy...its like saying no-one should ever vote conservative because the considered the poll tax, its simply irrelevant
|
|
| Hoof Hearted 20 May 16 9.57am | |
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by JohnyBoy
I dont think its me thats re-writing history Hoof, the truth is the BofE never supported euro entry, the treasury remained largely silent and put the case for both sides, the IMF remained independent and the politicians (pm and chancellor) said it it would only be considered if 5 economic conditions were met....thats what happened but like i say its irrelevant to this debate, we are not, and were never even close to joining the euro..and we will retain for the long term our own monetary policy...its like saying no-one should ever vote conservative because the considered the poll tax, its simply irrelevant I said the majority of "Eminent Economists", not the IMF, BofE, Treasury and politicians Johnny. It is relevant because those eminent economists are sticking their nibs in now and predicting the same Armageddon. Just like betting on the Derby, people need to know the form of the runners and riders.
|
|
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2025 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.