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 Stirlingsays  15 Feb 21 11.55am |
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Obviously I think the Democrats are the opposite in many ways to the values I believe in.....that said half the GOP is as well. However, in a very large way the party holding power is of secondary importance as the world has felt very dangerous from when Obama was in....Obama's foreign policy was foolish and ineffective but I don't blame him for the worsening world threats....that's a consequence of economic globalists feeding tigers for their own personal gain over decades and political misjudgements....aka I remember Chris Patten saying utter hopeful tripe about China back during the Hong Kong exchange. North Korea, Iran, China, Russia.....and it's only recently that the middle east seems to be calming down as a war threat....something Trump deserves credit for. Not that I agree that what has happened to the common garden Palestinian resembles any sort of justice in any sort of way.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Feb 21 6.59pm |
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The "whataboutery" that routinely surfaces on here in seeking to establish some kind of equivalence between the BLM protests that deteriorated into riots last year and the events on Jan 6th really needs to be called out for the hypocrisy that it truly is. It resonates of the awful defence that Trump's team made last week when they completely failed to address the actual allegations and simply attempted to divert attention. Let's be clear. Rioting is always to be condemned and never excused, even in exceptional circumstances when the motivations are understood. There is though a huge difference between riots which result from a spillover from a legitimate protest, whatever the cost in lives or damage might be, and a deliberate attempt to interfere with the process of democracy through direct action, whatever the comparative lack of damage might be. These are not equivalent actions and to try to excuse the events of Jan 6th by reference to them is to adopt Trumpian tactics. The events of Jan 6th need to be examined for what they were, how they arose and what the consequences are, and will be. The only things to be connected to them is what prior actions led to them happening. Those things were what the impeachment prosecution team laid out and which were ignored by the defence. Ignored because there is no defence, as so robustly confirmed by Mitch McConnell. The fat lady has sung her opening stanza very well but failed to convince a highly compromised audience. However, the crescendo has not even begun to warm up yet. Several States are preparing cases alleging election interference which will be tried in the open but decided in secret by those whose only loyalty is to the truth. This isn't over yet and it won't be until the spectre of Trump has been consigned to the history books and we can return to decency and normality.
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| Lombardinho London 15 Feb 21 7.38pm |
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| Spiderman Horsham 15 Feb 21 9.30pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The "whataboutery" that routinely surfaces on here in seeking to establish some kind of equivalence between the BLM protests that deteriorated into riots last year and the events on Jan 6th really needs to be called out for the hypocrisy that it truly is. It resonates of the awful defence that Trump's team made last week when they completely failed to address the actual allegations and simply attempted to divert attention. Let's be clear. Rioting is always to be condemned and never excused, even in exceptional circumstances when the motivations are understood. There is though a huge difference between riots which result from a spillover from a legitimate protest, whatever the cost in lives or damage might be, and a deliberate attempt to interfere with the process of democracy through direct action, whatever the comparative lack of damage might be. These are not equivalent actions and to try to excuse the events of Jan 6th by reference to them is to adopt Trumpian tactics. The events of Jan 6th need to be examined for what they were, how they arose and what the consequences are, and will be. The only things to be connected to them is what prior actions led to them happening. Those things were what the impeachment prosecution team laid out and which were ignored by the defence. Ignored because there is no defence, as so robustly confirmed by Mitch McConnell. The fat lady has sung her opening stanza very well but failed to convince a highly compromised audience. However, the crescendo has not even begun to warm up yet. Several States are preparing cases alleging election interference which will be tried in the open but decided in secret by those whose only loyalty is to the truth. This isn't over yet and it won't be until the spectre of Trump has been consigned to the history books and we can return to decency and normality. I am sure the business owners who saw their businesses burned and looted in the US wholeheartely agree with you.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Feb 21 9.37pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I am sure the business owners who saw their businesses burned and looted in the US wholeheartely agree with you. There is no reason at all as to why they wouldn't is there? We all have the utmost sympathy for all those who are affected by the actions of criminal mobs but they are just as capable as anyone else is determining the difference between what happened to them and what went on at the Capitol.
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| Spiderman Horsham 15 Feb 21 9.42pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There is no reason at all as to why they wouldn't is there? We all have the utmost sympathy for all those who are affected by the actions of criminal mobs but they are just as capable as anyone else is determining the difference between what happened to them and what went on at the Capitol. What ever the cost in lives and damage may be! I can hear them now “ at least me losing my livelihood pales into insignificance compared to those awful people that invaded the White House”
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 15 Feb 21 10.29pm |
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Originally posted by Lombardinho
Do behave
Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons. |
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Teddy Eagle  15 Feb 21 10.47pm |
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The impeachment sweepstakes are off and running.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Feb 21 10.35am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
What ever the cost in lives and damage may be! I can hear them now “ at least me losing my livelihood pales into insignificance compared to those awful people that invaded the White House” Of course it doesn't "pale into insignificance" on a personal level, but anyone who is fair-minded, intelligent and objective will be able to understand the difference between the two. Whatever their personal situation might be.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 16 Feb 21 10.41am |
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Democrats announce independent commission into the DC riots Shouldn't they have done that first and then impeached Trump if the commission found grounds?
One more point |
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| Spiderman Horsham 16 Feb 21 11.19am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course it doesn't "pale into insignificance" on a personal level, but anyone who is fair-minded, intelligent and objective will be able to understand the difference between the two. Whatever their personal situation might be.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Feb 21 11.33am |
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You would get extraordinarily long odds of that horse making it to the post, let alone winning. Trying to conflate what Kamala Harris did to support a charity with Trump's behaviour will look totally ridiculous to anyone who isn't a fully paid-up member of Trump's base. Graham is just staking his own claim to the succession.
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