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johnno42000 11 Jan 18 2.11pm
I voted remain. We lost but that should be the end of it. 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

johnno42000

11 Jan 18 2.11pm

I voted remain. We lost but that should be the end of it.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

Stuk Top half 11 Jan 18 2.15pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 I voted remain. We lost but that should be the end of it. It is. Farage's half vague opinion is neither here nor there. Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 11 Jan 18 2.15pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

I voted remain. We lost but that should be the end of it.

It is. Farage's half vague opinion is neither here nor there.

Optimistic as ever

Stirlingsays 11 Jan 18 3.43pm
Originally posted by pefwin 51% remain, 37% leave Remember Trump's poll numbers, remember Corbyn's poll numbers. It only matters on the day, that's when people vote how they really feel. We had the vote and we are leaving. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Jan 18 3.43pm

Originally posted by pefwin

51% remain, 37% leave

Remember Trump's poll numbers, remember Corbyn's poll numbers.

It only matters on the day, that's when people vote how they really feel.

We had the vote and we are leaving.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Mapletree Croydon 11 Jan 18 3.53pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Remember Trump's poll numbers, remember Corbyn's poll numbers. It only matters on the day, that's when people vote how they really feel. We had the vote and we are leaving. I note that, just as with the campaigns, nobody on here has defined 'leave'. What does that mean? We will still have bilateral agreements in one form or another. Inevitably it's shades of grey. Because it's all so unclear and will disrupt the economy for countless years we have surely opened Pandora's jar. And we all know the last thing that was left in the jar.

Mapletree

Croydon 11 Jan 18 3.53pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Remember Trump's poll numbers, remember Corbyn's poll numbers.

It only matters on the day, that's when people vote how they really feel.

We had the vote and we are leaving.

I note that, just as with the campaigns, nobody on here has defined 'leave'. What does that mean? We will still have bilateral agreements in one form or another. Inevitably it's shades of grey. Because it's all so unclear and will disrupt the economy for countless years we have surely opened Pandora's jar. And we all know the last thing that was left in the jar.

chelys London 11 Jan 18 3.59pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I note that, just as with the campaigns, nobody on here has defined 'leave'. What does that mean? We will still have bilateral agreements in one form or another. Inevitably it's shades of grey. Because it's all so unclear and will disrupt the economy for countless years we have surely opened Pandora's jar. And we all know the last thing that was left in the jar. Leaving means we revert to being a parliamentary democracy, making our own laws and regulations.

chelys

London 11 Jan 18 3.59pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Leaving means we revert to being a parliamentary democracy, making our own laws and regulations.

Mapletree Croydon 11 Jan 18 4.47pm
Originally posted by chelys Leaving means we revert to being a parliamentary democracy, making our own laws and regulations. Unlikely. We shall need regulations that are in line with our trading partners. We may appear to be in charge though...

Mapletree

Croydon 11 Jan 18 4.47pm

Originally posted by chelys

Leaving means we revert to being a parliamentary democracy, making our own laws and regulations.

Unlikely. We shall need regulations that are in line with our trading partners. We may appear to be in charge though...

chelys London 11 Jan 18 4.56pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Unlikely. We shall need regulations that are in line with our trading partners. We may appear to be in charge though... If we choose to adopt some regulations shared by the EU because it is in our interests, fine. Being in a self-governing parliamentary democracy we could always then choose to reverse that if it is in our interests. If we were in the EU we would have no choice but to adhere to whatever laws and regulations that their Commissioners deem fit to impose on us regardless of whether those dictats are in our interest.

chelys

London 11 Jan 18 4.56pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Unlikely. We shall need regulations that are in line with our trading partners. We may appear to be in charge though...

If we choose to adopt some regulations shared by the EU because it is in our interests, fine. Being in a self-governing parliamentary democracy we could always then choose to reverse that if it is in our interests. If we were in the EU we would have no choice but to adhere to whatever laws and regulations that their Commissioners deem fit to impose on us regardless of whether those dictats are in our interest.

Mapletree Croydon 11 Jan 18 4.58pm
Originally posted by chelys If we choose to adopt some regulations shared by the EU because it is in our interests, fine. Being in a self-governing parliamentary democracy we could always then choose to reverse that if it is in our interests. If we were in the EU we would have no choice but to adhere to whatever laws and regulations that their Commissioners deem fit to impose on us regardless of whether those dictats are in our interest. I think the economics will trump the politics 99 times out of 100. As a result our apparent ability to legislate and regulate may be just that - apparent.

Mapletree

Croydon 11 Jan 18 4.58pm

Originally posted by chelys

I think the economics will trump the politics 99 times out of 100. As a result our apparent ability to legislate and regulate may be just that - apparent.

chelys London 11 Jan 18 6.06pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I think the economics will trump the politics 99 times out of 100. As a result our apparent ability to legislate and regulate may be just that - apparent. But the key thing is that a British government and parliament will make the decisions, not unelected EU commissioners.

chelys

London 11 Jan 18 6.06pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I think the economics will trump the politics 99 times out of 100. As a result our apparent ability to legislate and regulate may be just that - apparent.

But the key thing is that a British government and parliament will make the decisions, not unelected EU commissioners.

Stirlingsays 11 Jan 18 6.16pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I think the economics will trump the politics 99 times out of 100. As a result our apparent ability to legislate and regulate may be just that - apparent. I think you mean actual, not apparent. You are neglecting here the many times the UK parliament found it self at odds with the EU. Now, it's a negotiation and not a rule. Or we have world trade rules and take on the EU as a competitor. If it's not a fair negotiation it's going to be a hard Brexit and that's what May has been threatening the EU all along....that they are going to get Johnson if it doesn't work out. At the moment I think we will get Johnson and a hard Brexit......It's a game of blink first....We shall see. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jan 2018 6.18pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Jan 18 6.16pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I think the economics will trump the politics 99 times out of 100. As a result our apparent ability to legislate and regulate may be just that - apparent.

I think you mean actual, not apparent.

You are neglecting here the many times the UK parliament found it self at odds with the EU. Now, it's a negotiation and not a rule.

Or we have world trade rules and take on the EU as a competitor. If it's not a fair negotiation it's going to be a hard Brexit and that's what May has been threatening the EU all along....that they are going to get Johnson if it doesn't work out.

At the moment I think we will get Johnson and a hard Brexit......It's a game of blink first....We shall see.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jan 2018 6.18pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

matt_himself Matataland 17 Jan 18 7.09am
Watch a Labour MP fail to explain Labours Brexit policy: [Link] This lot haven’t a clue. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 17 Jan 18 7.09am

Watch a Labour MP fail to explain Labours Brexit policy:

[Link]

This lot haven’t a clue.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Oliver Bodega Bay 17 Jan 18 7.36am
Originally posted by matt_himself Watch a Labour MP fail to explain Labours Brexit policy: [Link] This lot haven’t a clue. Good job they're in opposition because the Government definitely know what they're doing. I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

Oliver

Bodega Bay 17 Jan 18 7.36am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Watch a Labour MP fail to explain Labours Brexit policy:

[Link]

This lot haven’t a clue.

Good job they're in opposition because the Government definitely know what they're doing.

I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

matt_himself Matataland 17 Jan 18 7.50am
Originally posted by Oliver Good job they're in opposition because the Government definitely know what they're doing. As much as I am sceptical that the government will deliver a clean Brexit, one where we are completely free of Brussels and ECJ interference in our affairs, they have stated that we are leaving the EU, the Customs Union and the Single Market. That is a lot clearer than Labour, whom know they are caught between a rock and hard place. Most Labour supporters & MP’s are Remainers, yet Corbyn knows that his nationalisation programme is contrary to EU law. Therefore we have an arch Remainer nominally in charge of their Brexit Policy in Kier Starmer but he is effectively a eunuch with no power, as Corbyn is being deliberately vague. Straight talking politics, it ain’t. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 17 Jan 18 7.50am

Originally posted by Oliver

Good job they're in opposition because the Government definitely know what they're doing.

As much as I am sceptical that the government will deliver a clean Brexit, one where we are completely free of Brussels and ECJ interference in our affairs, they have stated that we are leaving the EU, the Customs Union and the Single Market.

That is a lot clearer than Labour, whom know they are caught between a rock and hard place. Most Labour supporters & MP’s are Remainers, yet Corbyn knows that his nationalisation programme is contrary to EU law. Therefore we have an arch Remainer nominally in charge of their Brexit Policy in Kier Starmer but he is effectively a eunuch with no power, as Corbyn is being deliberately vague.

Straight talking politics, it ain’t.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Oliver Bodega Bay 17 Jan 18 9.49am
Originally posted by matt_himself As much as I am sceptical that the government will deliver a clean Brexit, one where we are completely free of Brussels and ECJ interference in our affairs, they have stated that we are leaving the EU, the Customs Union and the Single Market. That is a lot clearer than Labour, whom know they are caught between a rock and hard place. Most Labour supporters & MP’s are Remainers, yet Corbyn knows that his nationalisation programme is contrary to EU law. Therefore we have an arch Remainer nominally in charge of their Brexit Policy in Kier Starmer but he is effectively a eunuch with no power, as Corbyn is being deliberately vague. Straight talking politics, it ain’t. To be honest more concerned with those in power and making the decisions. We have a REMAINER PM in charge of a Brexit Government propped up by the DUP despite the fact the majority in Ulster were opposed to Brexit. The PM has always said that she wants a frictionless border and to uphold the Good Friday agreement. However a frictionless border requires either that the UK stays in the customs union, which the PM has rejected, or that Northern Ireland stays in it while mainland Britain leaves, which the DUP won’t allow. The Government doesn't seem to have any clear strategy and as you said you're sceptical that they will deliver the Brexit you want. Edited by Oliver (17 Jan 2018 9.49am) I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

Oliver

Bodega Bay 17 Jan 18 9.49am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Straight talking politics, it ain’t.

To be honest more concerned with those in power and making the decisions.

We have a REMAINER PM in charge of a Brexit Government propped up by the DUP despite the fact the majority in Ulster were opposed to Brexit. The PM has always said that she wants a frictionless border and to uphold the Good Friday agreement. However a frictionless border requires either that the UK stays in the customs union, which the PM has rejected, or that Northern Ireland stays in it while mainland Britain leaves, which the DUP won’t allow.

The Government doesn't seem to have any clear strategy and as you said you're sceptical that they will deliver the Brexit you want.

Edited by Oliver (17 Jan 2018 9.49am)

matt_himself Matataland 17 Jan 18 10.40am
Originally posted by Oliver To be honest more concerned with those in power and making the decisions. We have a REMAINER PM in charge of a Brexit Government propped up by the DUP despite the fact the majority in Ulster were opposed to Brexit. The PM has always said that she wants a frictionless border and to uphold the Good Friday agreement. However a frictionless border requires either that the UK stays in the customs union, which the PM has rejected, or that Northern Ireland stays in it while mainland Britain leaves, which the DUP won’t allow. The Government doesn't seem to have any clear strategy and as you said you're sceptical that they will deliver the Brexit you want. Edited by Oliver (17 Jan 2018 9.49am) The only part I disagree with you on is the NI border. There are plenty of open borders around the world, where countries co-exist, in terms of security and trade. What is required is compromise. The customs issue can be flexible on both sides, as can security and with technology, an effective system can be implemented. What will complicate matters is good, old fashioned pig headed ness. Both the EU and the UK can be flexible, whether there is the political desire to do so remains to be seen. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 17 Jan 18 10.40am

Originally posted by Oliver

To be honest more concerned with those in power and making the decisions.

The Government doesn't seem to have any clear strategy and as you said you're sceptical that they will deliver the Brexit you want.

Edited by Oliver (17 Jan 2018 9.49am)

The only part I disagree with you on is the NI border.

There are plenty of open borders around the world, where countries co-exist, in terms of security and trade. What is required is compromise. The customs issue can be flexible on both sides, as can security and with technology, an effective system can be implemented.

What will complicate matters is good, old fashioned pig headed ness. Both the EU and the UK can be flexible, whether there is the political desire to do so remains to be seen.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Aray South London 17 Jan 18 1.44pm
Hard to see how a frictionless border is feasible in NI as the effective border would then be between Britain and the isle of Ireland - the DUP is unlikely to support that.

Aray

South London 17 Jan 18 1.44pm

Hard to see how a frictionless border is feasible in NI as the effective border would then be between Britain and the isle of Ireland - the DUP is unlikely to support that.

Oliver Bodega Bay 17 Jan 18 4.35pm
So much for taking back control of our borders I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

Oliver

Bodega Bay 17 Jan 18 4.35pm

So much for taking back control of our borders

Stuk Top half 17 Jan 18 5.39pm
Originally posted by Oliver So much for taking back control of our borders We had a free travel arrangement between the UK and Ireland long before the EU had free movement. Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 17 Jan 18 5.39pm

Originally posted by Oliver

So much for taking back control of our borders

We had a free travel arrangement between the UK and Ireland long before the EU had free movement.

Optimistic as ever

corkery Cork City 17 Jan 18 10.41pm
Originally posted by Aray Hard to see how a frictionless border is feasible in NI as the effective border would then be between Britain and the isle of Ireland - the DUP is unlikely to support that. It will be impossible to have a border in Ireland. There are 500 roads and large parts of the border region are lawless. There is no UK or Irish presence in South Armagh. We'll never die

corkery

Cork City 17 Jan 18 10.41pm

Originally posted by Aray

Hard to see how a frictionless border is feasible in NI as the effective border would then be between Britain and the isle of Ireland - the DUP is unlikely to support that.

It will be impossible to have a border in Ireland. There are 500 roads and large parts of the border region are lawless. There is no UK or Irish presence in South Armagh.

We'll never die

Oliver Bodega Bay 18 Jan 18 7.34am
Originally posted by Stuk We had a free travel arrangement between the UK and Ireland long before the EU had free movement. Potentially part of our border with the EU will effectively be the Southern Ireland border. I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

Oliver

Bodega Bay 18 Jan 18 7.34am

Originally posted by Stuk

We had a free travel arrangement between the UK and Ireland long before the EU had free movement.

Potentially part of our border with the EU will effectively be the Southern Ireland border.

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