'Leading Brexiters who accuse civil servants of sabotaging Britain’s exit from the EU are adopting dangerous tactics similar to those of rightwing German nationalists between the two world wars, a former head of the civil service has warned'.

Who is going to be the scapegoat for the looming brexit disaster?

The scramble has already started.

Yep. The main caveat left wing leave voters have, aside from immigration, is keeping workers' rights. Ironic that immigration is driving wages down when some politicians claim it isn't, but hearing it from the ground, it most certainly is.

COYP

I disagree with you....unless a soft Brexit is similarly soft on EU immigration......in which case Ukip will make its return.

While the problem of worker's wages is multi faceted there is no doubt that a reduction in low skilled immigration will eventually lead to less downward pressure. That's just following the logic of supply and demand.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

You’re twisting words.

I am not willing to except anything other than a clean Brexit but you seem to have the notion that negotiation means showing your hand all at once. That is not how things are done.

Don’t let off Corbyn. If you are criticising the government, saying that ‘it is not the job of the opposition to have Brexit policies’ is rubbish. They must have a policy and their policy is non existent. You know he has been ideologically opposed to the EU his whole political life. Why would he change now?

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"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Their policy is a jobs first Brexit however that is achieved. I believe Corbyn is ambivalent towards the EU and is mainly concerned with delivering lower inequality and more secure better paid jobs for the many.

Brexit will be anything other than clean with the current government. I'm surprised you don't see that.

You are fixated about Brexit but it hasn't happened.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

'a group of states that have agreed to charge the same import duties as each other and usually to allow free trade between themselves'.

That is a customs union.

What is there not to like, it appears what we are negotiating to get anyway.

It means whatever solution is best for protecting jobs in the UK, enhancing working conditions and workers' rights, lowering inequality and improving productivity across the UK. It also means providing well funded and good quality public services and improved infrastructure, plus increased access to education and training to equip people for work in a modern digital and high tech economy. To invest in British industries and provide jobs in industries that drive productivity and exports.

Not slash and burn and and pretend it will all be merriment and laughter once the borders and closed and we've signed trade deals with Djibouti and Outer Mongolia to be able to sell them the things we no longer manufacture.

The Tories put the horse before the cart and seem to think by signing any trade deal we'll magically increase exports by 40%. It's like saying if you make someone a member of the Royal Society they will then be a great scientist, even though all they have right now is a B in biology A-level.

Edited by CambridgeEagle (06 Feb 2018 9.55am)

Edited by CambridgeEagle (06 Feb 2018 12.10pm)

I'm afraid that is the view of a number of Brexiters. I'm willing to retract that part of the statement though. The points will be no less true. You are just using it as an excuse not to engage with the serious problems being created by the government.

I said I would retract that part of my post. I will go and edit now, and then you can respond to the rest of it, of which that was only a minor point.

I agree the current government is acting contrary to the interests of the the majority on many many policies, including on pursuing a muddled and feeble Breixt strategy.