I looked at the guys behind him during that little speech. Even though Pence is a little crazy himself I'd give a penny for his true thoughts.....though he knows that he's only there because of Trump. Still, how no one at least smiles.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It was part of his campaign schtick, that when he was in office he'd change the libel laws and sue all the "fake news" merchants (pointing to the press contingent).

It's bluster, pure and simple, because the 1st amendment says, amongst other things: "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press". Only the courts can change the treatment of libel, and only within the constrains of this amendment and the centuries of legal precedent therefrom.

Libel is actually a libertarian paradise: we are all free to say what we want but we're not free from legal action by anyone inappropriately harmed by what we say.

Edited by Ray in Houston (08 Jan 2018 8.17pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

The Trump gorilla channel was a spoof.

As to the "freedom to offend" that you hold dear, there is nothing to stop anyone from being offensive. However, if you do say what you feel, you have to allow everyone else to say what they feel about what you said. You don't get to pontificate into a vacuum.

So, offend away, by STFU about oppression when someone calls you on it. Because expecting protection from a backlash to your offensive comments is expecting suppression of free speech. It's a door that swings both ways.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

So we're supposed to stop making jokes now because some people don't get them? And you call progressives out for suppressing thought!

Edited by Ray in Houston (08 Jan 2018 8.57pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

How do you feel about the mysterious goings on of the HOL over the last 24 hours?

But all topics where people try and start to discuss it are deleted. Bit militant innit?

Doing a good job if you want to try and drive long standing posters away.

Are you 'literally' still shaking?

All that was hyperbolic......as for scary...haven't you noticed the state of the world? Look at what he's walked into with NK, ISIS, Russia in Syria and China building up.....the previous incumbents had hardly been doing a good job.

But I agree....he's ego is up there worthy or ridicule.....a lot of the very rich are like that.....and as we know, he isn't interested in being liked but is obsessed with being criticized....he has a chip the size of Liverpool.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2018 2.24pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I don't want this rather good thread deleted so after this I don't really want to comment further.

I regard it as a difficult situation. I've asked for compromise but I like the mods who have been attacked and I realise that we don't see the sh1t that they have to deal with behind the scenes.....all giving their time voluntary to work on this site.

It is a shame that we have had some flounces from good posters but the criticisms directed at mods by some has reached hyperbolic levels. I imagine at least some of our malcontents are at the bbs now. Hopefully at some point people like Jamie will come back.

News and politics will carry on at the Hol and the left will be represented.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2018 2.38pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I made a representation. And that's even though he said he regretted 'fighting for me' and that the original charge was true and that I was a racist: that charge hurt and that mattered to me.

Lets not get this thread deleted by carrying this on.....I'm hoping for 100 pages.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2018 3.03pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I think he's going to try to build it. I think he might have to beat Opran to finish it though.

Milo built a small one in the desert.....a most amusing video.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)