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Stirlingsays 31 May 18 4.35pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 'actually lives in France'. Oy serial poster, the post already says that. Read a post before you reply, if it is actually necessary and you can add something, before you rush into replying. You have mad posters disease. Fair enough, you did type that (cut and paste). Still, my post still illustrates that your points are bone-headed. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 May 2018 4.53pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

31 May 18 4.35pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

'actually lives in France'.

Oy serial poster, the post already says that.

Read a post before you reply, if it is actually necessary and you can add something, before you rush into replying.

You have mad posters disease.

Fair enough, you did type that (cut and paste).

Still, my post still illustrates that your points are bone-headed.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 May 2018 4.53pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 31 May 18 5.12pm
France blocks Britain's access to EU security system that identifies foreign criminals. France is blocking Britain from remaining part of an EU security system that keeps track of foreign criminals after Brexit. The database, known as the Prum Convention, keeps the public safe by tracking offenders’ DNA, fingerprints and vehicle information. Earlier this year police officials revealed that the UK used EU security information systems 539 million times over the course of a year. It was a successful operation, the 539 million checks revealed that the suspect's driving licence was out of date. -.-'

steeleye20

Croydon 31 May 18 5.12pm

France blocks Britain's access to EU security system that identifies foreign criminals.

France is blocking Britain from remaining part of an EU security system that keeps track of foreign criminals after Brexit.

The database, known as the Prum Convention, keeps the public safe by tracking offenders’ DNA, fingerprints and vehicle information.

Earlier this year police officials revealed that the UK used EU security information systems 539 million times over the course of a year.

It was a successful operation, the 539 million checks revealed that the suspect's driving licence was out of date.

-.-'

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 31 May 18 5.30pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Those pumping billions upon billions into this new technology would disagree bud. More research needed maybe? Still nothing that would enable a border to be maintained with zero physical infrastructure. Maybe one day. But nothing right now.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 31 May 18 5.30pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Those pumping billions upon billions into this new technology would disagree bud.
More research needed maybe?

Still nothing that would enable a border to be maintained with zero physical infrastructure. Maybe one day. But nothing right now.

Hrolf The Ganger 31 May 18 5.51pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 France blocks Britain's access to EU security system that identifies foreign criminals. France is blocking Britain from remaining part of an EU security system that keeps track of foreign criminals after Brexit. The database, known as the Prum Convention, keeps the public safe by tracking offenders’ DNA, fingerprints and vehicle information. Earlier this year police officials revealed that the UK used EU security information systems 539 million times over the course of a year. It was a successful operation, the 539 million checks revealed that the suspect's driving licence was out of date. -.-' Highlights wonderfully the kind of people who run the EU. Scumbags. Good riddance.

Hrolf The Ganger

31 May 18 5.51pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

France blocks Britain's access to EU security system that identifies foreign criminals.

France is blocking Britain from remaining part of an EU security system that keeps track of foreign criminals after Brexit.

The database, known as the Prum Convention, keeps the public safe by tracking offenders’ DNA, fingerprints and vehicle information.

Earlier this year police officials revealed that the UK used EU security information systems 539 million times over the course of a year.

It was a successful operation, the 539 million checks revealed that the suspect's driving licence was out of date.

-.-'

Highlights wonderfully the kind of people who run the EU. Scumbags. Good riddance.

steeleye20 Croydon 31 May 18 6.11pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Highlights wonderfully the kind of people who run the EU. Scumbags. Good riddance. Wrong you are not reading it. It is us the UK who are using the EU security information systems 539 million times over the course of a year ?????? Talk about a police state, wonder where/how it is all done, and why.

steeleye20

Croydon 31 May 18 6.11pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Highlights wonderfully the kind of people who run the EU. Scumbags. Good riddance.

Wrong you are not reading it.

It is us the UK who are using the EU security information systems 539 million times over the course of a year ??????

Talk about a police state, wonder where/how it is all done, and why.

.TUX. 01 Jun 18 7.10pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Deutsche Bank lay-off 400 US staff. Deutsche Bank recently down-graded (as good as) by the S&P. That is all. T'is now official, one of the worlds largests banks downgraded to BBB+. The rating agencies are in bed with the banks so BBB+ is the absolute best they thought they could give Deutsche Bank without going to jail. A tough week for the DB as it was ALSO revealed that it had been put on the Fed's "secret" probation list................one year ago! This really is not good news peeps. This 'institution' has upwards of 50 TRILLION DOLLARS (minimum!) of potential liabilities/exposure. Think Lehman ON STEROIDS!!!!!!!! That aside, while waiting to checkout at Sainsburys earlier there seemed to be a problem with paying with 'plastic' (not unusual) so this is just another reminder to keep whatever you don't need to keep in a bank underneath your pillow. Just in case. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

01 Jun 18 7.10pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Deutsche Bank lay-off 400 US staff.
Deutsche Bank recently down-graded (as good as) by the S&P.

That is all.

T'is now official, one of the worlds largests banks downgraded to BBB+.
The rating agencies are in bed with the banks so BBB+ is the absolute best they thought they could give Deutsche Bank without going to jail.
A tough week for the DB as it was ALSO revealed that it had been put on the Fed's "secret" probation list................one year ago!
This really is not good news peeps. This 'institution' has upwards of 50 TRILLION DOLLARS (minimum!) of potential liabilities/exposure. Think Lehman ON STEROIDS!!!!!!!!

That aside, while waiting to checkout at Sainsburys earlier there seemed to be a problem with paying with 'plastic' (not unusual) so this is just another reminder to keep whatever you don't need to keep in a bank underneath your pillow. Just in case.

Buy Litecoin.

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 01 Jun 18 8.21pm
Originally posted by .TUX. T'is now official, one of the worlds largests banks downgraded to BBB+. The rating agencies are in bed with the banks so BBB+ is the absolute best they thought they could give Deutsche Bank without going to jail. A tough week for the DB as it was ALSO revealed that it had been put on the Fed's "secret" probation list................one year ago! This really is not good news peeps. This 'institution' has upwards of 50 TRILLION DOLLARS (minimum!) of potential liabilities/exposure. Think Lehman ON STEROIDS!!!!!!!! That aside, while waiting to checkout at Sainsburys earlier there seemed to be a problem with paying with 'plastic' (not unusual) so this is just another reminder to keep whatever you don't need to keep in a bank underneath your pillow. Just in case. That's getting towards junk. There were times when many institutional investment companies in the U&K would no invest below A-. I remember that in an investment principles. EDIT I expect everyone expects Merkel to intervene when it goes tits up but this would be bigger than Greece and could take down Italy. Edited by pefwin (01 Jun 2018 8.23pm) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 01 Jun 18 8.21pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

That's getting towards junk. There were times when many institutional investment companies in the U&K would no invest below A-.

I remember that in an investment principles.

*EDIT* I expect everyone expects Merkel to intervene when it goes tits up but this would be bigger than Greece and could take down Italy.

Edited by pefwin (01 Jun 2018 8.23pm)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

.TUX. 01 Jun 18 9.03pm
Originally posted by pefwin That's getting towards junk. There were times when many institutional investment companies in the U&K would no invest below A-. I remember that in an investment principles. EDIT I expect everyone expects Merkel to intervene when it goes tits up but this would be bigger than Greece and could take down Italy. Edited by pefwin (01 Jun 2018 8.23pm) Italy could easily take down the Euro on it's own, that's how fragile 'the bloc' is. Deutsche Bank will take down the world. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

01 Jun 18 9.03pm

Originally posted by pefwin

That's getting towards junk. There were times when many institutional investment companies in the U&K would no invest below A-.

I remember that in an investment principles.

*EDIT* I expect everyone expects Merkel to intervene when it goes tits up but this would be bigger than Greece and could take down Italy.

Edited by pefwin (01 Jun 2018 8.23pm)

Italy could easily take down the Euro on it's own, that's how fragile 'the bloc' is.

Deutsche Bank will take down the world.

Buy Litecoin.

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 01 Jun 18 9.41pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Italy could easily take down the Euro on it's own, that's how fragile 'the bloc' is. Deutsche Bank will take down the world. not so sure another world recession, but a smaller bail out than AIG. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 01 Jun 18 9.41pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Italy could easily take down the Euro on it's own, that's how fragile 'the bloc' is.

Deutsche Bank will take down the world.

not so sure another world recession, but a smaller bail out than AIG.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

.TUX. 01 Jun 18 10.01pm
Originally posted by pefwin not so sure another world recession, but a smaller bail out than AIG. Every major economic indicator shows that things today are now worse than they were in '07/08. The past 10yrs or so have improved diddly...........other than DEBT GROWTH. We are in a bubble looking for a pin. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

01 Jun 18 10.01pm

Originally posted by pefwin

not so sure another world recession, but a smaller bail out than AIG.

Every major economic indicator shows that things today are now worse than they were in '07/08.
The past 10yrs or so have improved diddly...........other than DEBT GROWTH.

We are in a bubble looking for a pin.

Buy Litecoin.

Stirlingsays 02 Jun 18 5.36am
Originally posted by .TUX. Every major economic indicator shows that things today are now worse than they were in '07/08. The past 10yrs or so have improved diddly...........other than DEBT GROWTH. We are in a bubble looking for a pin. Aren't debt interest levels far more important than debt growth? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

02 Jun 18 5.36am

Originally posted by .TUX.

Every major economic indicator shows that things today are now worse than they were in '07/08.
The past 10yrs or so have improved diddly...........other than DEBT GROWTH.

We are in a bubble looking for a pin.

Aren't debt interest levels far more important than debt growth?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

.TUX. 04 Jun 18 9.56pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Aren't debt interest levels far more important than debt growth? Nope. When you've thrown a ton of (other peoples) money into a failing economy for around 9yrs or so and said economy is still failing.........then does anything really matter? (And why, if we own the BoE, do we charge ourselves interest?) Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

04 Jun 18 9.56pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Aren't debt interest levels far more important than debt growth?

Nope.
When you've thrown a ton of (other peoples) money into a failing economy for around 9yrs or so and said economy is still failing.........then does anything really matter?

(And why, if we own the BoE, do we charge ourselves interest?)

Buy Litecoin.

europalace Europe 05 Jun 18 8.24pm
"Brexit: Labour amendment seeks 'full access' to EU market" [Link]

europalace

Europe 05 Jun 18 8.24pm

"Brexit: Labour amendment seeks 'full access' to EU market"

[Link]

Matov 06 Jun 18 7.12am
Originally posted by europalace "Brexit: Labour amendment seeks 'full access' to EU market" [Link] Its more smoke and mirrors. Labour can state what they want but they know it is electoral suicide for them because it means that they would need to retain full movement and that loses them the north. No north, no chance of forming a Government. Labour have to placate their largely Remain voting membership whilst stressing to their Leave voting electorate, in key seats up in the North, that they intend to fully go through with Brexit. This is all part of that. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

06 Jun 18 7.12am

Originally posted by europalace

"Brexit: Labour amendment seeks 'full access' to EU market"

[Link]

Its more smoke and mirrors. Labour can state what they want but they know it is electoral suicide for them because it means that they would need to retain full movement and that loses them the north. No north, no chance of forming a Government.

Labour have to placate their largely Remain voting membership whilst stressing to their Leave voting electorate, in key seats up in the North, that they intend to fully go through with Brexit.

This is all part of that.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 06 Jun 18 8.18am
Originally posted by Matov Its more smoke and mirrors. Labour can state what they want but they know it is electoral suicide for them because it means that they would need to retain full movement and that loses them the north. No north, no chance of forming a Government. Labour have to placate their largely Remain voting membership whilst stressing to their Leave voting electorate, in key seats up in the North, that they intend to fully go through with Brexit. This is all part of that. Recent study suggests this received wisdom may not be true. May such northern voters would not vote tory. Edited by CambridgeEagle (06 Jun 2018 8.19am)

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 06 Jun 18 8.18am

Originally posted by Matov

Labour have to placate their largely Remain voting membership whilst stressing to their Leave voting electorate, in key seats up in the North, that they intend to fully go through with Brexit.

This is all part of that.

Recent study suggests this received wisdom may not be true. May such northern voters would not vote tory.

Edited by CambridgeEagle (06 Jun 2018 8.19am)

Matov 06 Jun 18 8.40am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Recent study suggests this received wisdom may not be true. May such northern voters would not vote tory. Edited by CambridgeEagle (06 Jun 2018 8.19am) Brilliant. I for one would love a new election with Rees-Mogg leading a Tory party that is committed to a full on Brexit and Corbyn leading a Labour Party that is committed to us staying in the single market and accepting the continuation of freedom of movement. Even maybe pledging a second referendum. Dream scenario. Not going to happen though. And especially since the local elections and what happened to Labour in the Midlands. Labour have to say one thing to their electorate whilst holding their hands behind their back with their fingers crossed for their membership. A tricky act to pull off but when push comes to shove, Corbyn is full on anti-EU. Far more so than May. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

06 Jun 18 8.40am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Recent study suggests this received wisdom may not be true. May such northern voters would not vote tory.

Edited by CambridgeEagle (06 Jun 2018 8.19am)

Brilliant. I for one would love a new election with Rees-Mogg leading a Tory party that is committed to a full on Brexit and Corbyn leading a Labour Party that is committed to us staying in the single market and accepting the continuation of freedom of movement. Even maybe pledging a second referendum.

Dream scenario.

Not going to happen though. And especially since the local elections and what happened to Labour in the Midlands.

Labour have to say one thing to their electorate whilst holding their hands behind their back with their fingers crossed for their membership. A tricky act to pull off but when push comes to shove, Corbyn is full on anti-EU. Far more so than May.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Stirlingsays 06 Jun 18 9.08am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Recent study suggests this received wisdom may not be true. May such northern voters would not vote tory. Edited by CambridgeEagle (06 Jun 2018 8.19am) If Labour went pro remain, it's likely that a percent would likely not vote Labour or not vote. Voting Tory is questionable....however, in general, people don't like being lied to. 'Received wisdom' said that remain would win. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2018 9.10am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

06 Jun 18 9.08am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Recent study suggests this received wisdom may not be true. May such northern voters would not vote tory.

Edited by CambridgeEagle (06 Jun 2018 8.19am)

If Labour went pro remain, it's likely that a percent would likely not vote Labour or not vote. Voting Tory is questionable....however, in general, people don't like being lied to.

'Received wisdom' said that remain would win.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2018 9.10am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 06 Jun 18 9.17am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If Labour went pro remain, it's likely that a percent would likely not vote Labour or not vote. Voting Tory is questionable....however, in general, people don't like being lied to. 'Received wisdom' said that remain would win. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2018 9.10am) Yes all good points. I just think that it's dangerous to assume either way! Would backing remain be worse electorally than their current strategy, which doesn't seem to be polling particularly well? I found the study interesting as it was pointing out the large majorities for Labour in many Leave voting areas were perhaps not particularly in danger even if Labour changed tack on the EU. But it's all crystal ball gazing to an extent! Don't forget there are marginals where Tories sit which backed remain...

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 06 Jun 18 9.17am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If Labour went pro remain, it's likely that a percent would likely not vote Labour or not vote. Voting Tory is questionable....however, in general, people don't like being lied to.

'Received wisdom' said that remain would win.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2018 9.10am)

Yes all good points. I just think that it's dangerous to assume either way! Would backing remain be worse electorally than their current strategy, which doesn't seem to be polling particularly well? I found the study interesting as it was pointing out the large majorities for Labour in many Leave voting areas were perhaps not particularly in danger even if Labour changed tack on the EU. But it's all crystal ball gazing to an extent! Don't forget there are marginals where Tories sit which backed remain...

Matov 06 Jun 18 10.17am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Yes all good points. I just think that it's dangerous to assume either way! Would backing remain be worse electorally than their current strategy, which doesn't seem to be polling particularly well? I found the study interesting as it was pointing out the large majorities for Labour in many Leave voting areas were perhaps not particularly in danger even if Labour changed tack on the EU. But it's all crystal ball gazing to an extent! Don't forget there are marginals where Tories sit which backed remain... The issue for me is a potential snap election in October and fought specifically on the Brexit issue because it would be triggered by May stepping down for a variety of reasons (interesting claims about David Davis being at serious odds with Downing street officials). With freedom of movement at the very heart of the entire issue. I suspect that most voters are turned off by technicalities about border issues in Ireland or worries about trade-marks and so on. They either don't care or have nothing invested in the outcomes. But the ability of 400 million people to decide whether they want to come and go to the UK, that is a issue that people can understand. And if Labour want to be taken seriously in their claims about wanting full access to the single market, then accepting freedom of movement, with all that entails, lay at the crux of it. At the moment they are essentially getting away with fudging the issue but in the full glare of a GE campaign, and one without that moron May at the heart of it, would force them to be far more transparent. Edited by Matov (06 Jun 2018 10.20am) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

06 Jun 18 10.17am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

The issue for me is a potential snap election in October and fought specifically on the Brexit issue because it would be triggered by May stepping down for a variety of reasons (interesting claims about David Davis being at serious odds with Downing street officials).

With freedom of movement at the very heart of the entire issue. I suspect that most voters are turned off by technicalities about border issues in Ireland or worries about trade-marks and so on. They either don't care or have nothing invested in the outcomes.

But the ability of 400 million people to decide whether they want to come and go to the UK, that is a issue that people can understand.

And if Labour want to be taken seriously in their claims about wanting full access to the single market, then accepting freedom of movement, with all that entails, lay at the crux of it.

At the moment they are essentially getting away with fudging the issue but in the full glare of a GE campaign, and one without that moron May at the heart of it, would force them to be far more transparent.

Edited by Matov (06 Jun 2018 10.20am)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov 06 Jun 18 10.19am
Doh! Edited by Matov (06 Jun 2018 10.19am) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

06 Jun 18 10.19am

Doh!

Edited by Matov (06 Jun 2018 10.19am)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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