But you still want to vote to stay in it? By your logic that makes you a Tory. You've become a bit of a weirdo on this thread to be honest.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Add to that 3.5 million jobs linked to EU demand when our exports to the EU are 45% and still falling whilst exports to other countries are 55% and rising, and that's without opening up more markets which is possible after leaving the EU.

They are looking at this with short-term safety without thinking of the long-term benefits.

I like the way they ask youngsters who are thinking about working abroad what they're voting for. What about people who want to stay here, have more chance of a job and a home, and the same for their offspring? All this isn't going to affect me much but it will others. Let's just hope mumsnet doesn't get the flapping mothers to sh1t it and get all spineless over a few months or year or 2 of readjusting and the odd shock. Life lasts 80 years not 12-24 months.

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They think Mums haven't.

If I were a Mum I'd probably be worried if my children were about to enter the job market.

On the other hand I'd be concerned if my Children were a decade or 2 from the job market with the UK's problems in a worse state then.

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And a great policy that is.

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Surely we'd be better of ensuring they get a better price for their produce. Why not subsidise the produce directly if it's such an unprofitable business?

p.s. there was a similar article in the Guardian but the author goes off on a bit of a tangent about corn being the problem.

You lot are still sleeping, WAKE UP... Why do you think there is a total news blackout of the rioting taking place in Paris and Calais?

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

Yep, there is truth in this but that is also partly due to the reality that there have been frequent bouts of social unrest and demonstration in France and across Europe in recent years. UK media has adopted a complacent attitude to such matters choosing to deploy bulk of attention to what has happened within The UK rather than factors from outside that are slowly influencing the problems of tomorrow. The migrant crisis is a global issue and not just consigned to EU.

sCameron quote "Being in Europe, working with our closest neighbours and partners to tackle these threats, makes Britain safer."
Laughable isn't it when you watch what is really unfolding.

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

.....or for a more balanced read about the impact on UK fishing you could read this: 'the EU has helped not harmed the UK fishing industry'

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Actually I lied because I will post one further piece of information about this campaign and it is a FACT, not conjecture!

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Net migration to UK rises to 333,000 according to this BBC report.

This headline does more damage to Dave (Mr Potato Head) Cameron's Remain campaign than any threat regarding the economy, jobs or anything else he can dream up.

Undecided voters will be galvanised into joining Out/Leave on hearing this piece of factual news as opposed to dodgy biased guesstimates.

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I'd hope so, but its not actually as clear cut as that, because it would require the government in question to pursue an anti-corporate agenda in addition to leaving the EU. The problem we, citizens of the UK, face is that as far as government and corporate interests are concerned, high working migration is a profitable business (the state generates extra revenue on a migrant workers compared to a state worker, over their working life, and corporate interests get to keep wages low).

Just leaving the EU isn't enough, because neither Labour nor the Conservatives have shown any real desire to change this (in fact for the most part both parties are pro-EU).

The downside, if the UK leaves the EU, possibly the only party that has broached this subject (and I don't trust them on it either) is UKIP. With the UK outside of the EU, UKIP loses its core philosophical basis.

Problem as well, is that are its core, UKIP is a 'Conservative Splinter Party', and very pro-Corporate interest. Likely they'd control migration more, but you'd still see high levels of cheap imported labour.

Ending working migration towards the interests of British Citizens and workers, is a major issue for any party as it will have very serious economic knock on effects (higher cost of living as wage increases are passed to the consumer, potential off shoring, a housing crash which would be disastrous for many UKIP supporters who have 'bought to let*'.

* Arguably removing that surplus of population produced by migration from the economy, will gut the rental markets, and consequently the housing market. Good news, if you don't own a house or paid off your mortgage, but otherwise its going to create a lot of negative equity and forclosure.

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