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 Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 06 May 17 10.15am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Mapletree
So who's in charge of the Supporters Against Sainsbury's campaign. This would never be happening with Lidl. I would volunteer to stand outside a local Sainsbury's with a placard, and I ain't even joking. Edited by Mapletree (06 May 2017 10.03am) Another of Corbyn's comrades !!!! Edited by Willo (06 May 2017 10.16am)
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| bexleydave Barnehurst 06 May 17 10.19am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Mapletree
Best thing for Sainsbury's would be Palace moving. Then they get their grasping little mits on half a prime housebuilding site Remind me who it was who sold all that land to Sainsbury's? If we've now suddenly decided we want bits of it back, we're either going to have pay the asking price or come up with a different plan. Most people would find the prospect of a PL football club pleading poverty beyond laughable. As I've already said, we don't hold the strongest hand here and, if we want a new stand we're going to have to either put up or shut up. Of course Sainsbury's, plus almost the entire local population, would be grateful to see us gone. We'll get no sympathy whatsoever from the general public. A good start, as already mentioned, would be for Parish to tell us what this "extortionate" amount is and what exactly it's for; then we can all make up our minds whether we agree or not. Edited by bexleydave (06 May 2017 10.20am)
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| spartakev2 Anerley 06 May 17 10.31am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by bexleydave
Remind me who it was who sold all that land to Sainsbury's? If we've now suddenly decided we want bits of it back, we're either going to have pay the asking price or come up with a different plan. Most people would find the prospect of a PL football club pleading poverty beyond laughable. As I've already said, we don't hold the strongest hand here and, if we want a new stand we're going to have to either put up or shut up. Of course Sainsbury's, plus almost the entire local population, would be grateful to see us gone. We'll get no sympathy whatsoever from the general public. A good start, as already mentioned, would be for Parish to tell us what this "extortionate" amount is and what exactly it's for; then we can all make up our minds whether we agree or not. Edited by bexleydave (06 May 2017 10.20am) This....sainsburys can ask what they want and there's b****r all we can do about it. They see the amount of money in the premiership and ask an extortionate amount. Who wouldnt.
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kenbarr  Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 06 May 17 10.51am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by bexleydave
That's an interesting question Ken. When we submitted, and had approved, plans to build a club shop/offices on part of that carpark, there was mention in the documentation of agreement being reached with Sainsbury's for the plans. I've now found the planning application: 2a states "the Crystal Palace car park is leased by Sainsbury's to the football club, and is separate from the Sainsbury's car park". So Sainsbury's own the whole thing, therefore "sliver" it may be, but it's a sizeable sliver.
Thanks, Bex. I think this is a matter of how much money Palace ownership is willing to pay Sainsbury's, as many posters have said. Given the only gain for Sainsbury's is financial, as they can't use the car park for themselves, squeezing every last quid for their co-operation is not good business on their part. Perhaps the next step is buy the car park from them with the implied "suggestion" that they will suffer a PR hit from angry Palace supporters. The flip side of all this is perhaps the surrounding homeowners have gotten to Sainsbury's and threatened a boycott if they agreed to allow Palace to rebuild and expand the Main Stand.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 May 17 10.56am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by kenbarr
Thanks, Bex. I think this is a matter of how much money Palace ownership is willing to pay Sainsbury's, as many posters have said. Given the only gain for Sainsbury's is financial, as they can't use the car park for themselves, squeezing every last quid for their co-operation is not good business on their part. Perhaps the next step is buy the car park from them with the implied "suggestion" that they will suffer a PR hit from angry Palace supporters. The flip side of all this is perhaps the surrounding homeowners have gotten to Sainsbury's and threatened a boycott if they agreed to allow Palace to rebuild and expand the Main Stand. We are surrounded by homes.
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| bexleydave Barnehurst 06 May 17 11.24am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by kenbarr
Thanks, Bex. I think this is a matter of how much money Palace ownership is willing to pay Sainsbury's, as many posters have said. Given the only gain for Sainsbury's is financial, as they can't use the car park for themselves, squeezing every last quid for their co-operation is not good business on their part. Perhaps the next step is buy the car park from them with the implied "suggestion" that they will suffer a PR hit from angry Palace supporters. The flip side of all this is perhaps the surrounding homeowners have gotten to Sainsbury's and threatened a boycott if they agreed to allow Palace to rebuild and expand the Main Stand. If we don't like the price of a "sliver" Ken, I doubt we're going to like what the price would be for the whole car park. I don't think sticking out for the price they want will do Sainsbury's the slightest harm whatsoever; you must have a pretty good idea what 'the man on the Clapham omnibus' thinks about PL football clubs? A few thousand upset Palace fans (and we don't even know exactly what we're upset about yet) really isn't going to bother Sainsbury's. It's a take it or leave it deal for them. They will still receive whatever it is we pay them under the lease and they'll still own the land in the event we do decide to move on at some point. I really do think we need to either put up or shut up on this one. We want something they've got and they're not bothered whether they sell it to us or not; that's not exactly a position of strength for us.
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| Mapletree Croydon 06 May 17 3.14pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Sometimes you think you are being funny but you are deeply unpleasant. My point is that, as Ken pointed out, pressure coming from locals may mitigate to some extent the monopolistic situation in which Sainsbury's finds itself. The only way to pressurise it into reducing its demands and speeding the development process is by hitting it in the pocket.
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| kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 06 May 17 4.33pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by bexleydave
If we don't like the price of a "sliver" Ken, I doubt we're going to like what the price would be for the whole car park. I don't think sticking out for the price they want will do Sainsbury's the slightest harm whatsoever; you must have a pretty good idea what 'the man on the Clapham omnibus' thinks about PL football clubs? A few thousand upset Palace fans (and we don't even know exactly what we're upset about yet) really isn't going to bother Sainsbury's. It's a take it or leave it deal for them. They will still receive whatever it is we pay them under the lease and they'll still own the land in the event we do decide to move on at some point. I really do think we need to either put up or shut up on this one. We want something they've got and they're not bothered whether they sell it to us or not; that's not exactly a position of strength for us. By sliver, does that mean the land needed to build? It's hard to follow these things from far away,
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 May 17 4.39pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Mapletree
Sometimes you think you are being funny but you are deeply unpleasant. My point is that, as Ken pointed out, pressure coming from locals may mitigate to some extent the monopolistic situation in which Sainsbury's finds itself. The only way to pressurise it into reducing its demands and speeding the development process is by hitting it in the pocket. I wasn't intending it to be funny ! Nor did I intend any offence. As for "Deeply unpleasant", I know the feeling given the treatment afforded to me on here by those who incessantly make risible allegations about me. Edited by Willo (06 May 2017 4.40pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 06 May 17 4.43pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Willo
I wasn't intending it to be funny ! Nor did I intend any offence. As for "Deeply unpleasant", I know the feeling given the treatment afforded to me on here by those who incessantly make risible allegations about me. Edited by Willo (06 May 2017 4.40pm) Despite long having been convinced you are in fact an alter ego of Ken Livingstone, I don't think you will find that I have made any allegations against you, risible or otherwise.
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| bexleydave Barnehurst 06 May 17 4.45pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by kenbarr
By sliver, does that mean the land needed to build? It's hard to follow these things from far away, I think it's a safe bet to assume so, particularly as Parish is claiming that our plans are being held up because we're being asked to stump up an "extortionate" price for this supposed "sliver". If we actually knew what we're being asked to pay for what, we'd all be able to give an informed opinion on whether we're being shafted or not.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 May 17 4.47pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Mapletree
Despite long having been convinced you are in fact an alter ego of Ken Livingstone, I don't think you will find that I have made any allegations against you, risible or otherwise. Now that IS a risible allegation ! Livinstone and I are "Poles apart" politically !
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