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Kermit8 Hevon 29 Apr 17 9.25am
Originally posted by matt_himself I am not following you. Please clarify. Do you agree that Muslims supporting the abhorrent criminalisation of homosexuality is no different to West African Christians supporting it too? Or is it ok for the latter because you go to their church? you did say you visit their place of worship a while back. And if it is not 'OK' in your eyes then I am assuming you are not too timid to say so. What has been their reaction? Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2017 9.26am) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 29 Apr 17 9.25am

Originally posted by matt_himself

I am not following you. Please clarify.

Do you agree that Muslims supporting the abhorrent criminalisation of homosexuality is no different to West African Christians supporting it too? Or is it ok for the latter because you go to their church? you did say you visit their place of worship a while back.

And if it is not 'OK' in your eyes then I am assuming you are not too timid to say so. What has been their reaction?

Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2017 9.26am)

Big chest and massive boobs

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matt_himself Matataland 29 Apr 17 9.47am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Do you agree that Muslims supporting the abhorrent criminalisation of homosexuality is no different to West African Christians supporting it too? Or is it ok for the latter because you go to their church? you did say you visit their place of worship a while back. And if it is not 'OK' in your eyes then I am assuming you are not too timid to say so. What has been their reaction? Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2017 9.26am) I see. It's you deflecting. You are not even doing it very well because you have to explain your deflection tactics. Funnily enough, when I have been to a West African church, the subject of so called 'LGBT' rights hasn't come up in conversation. Now why don't you answer what I put to you. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 29 Apr 17 9.47am

Originally posted by Kermit8

And if it is not 'OK' in your eyes then I am assuming you are not too timid to say so. What has been their reaction?

Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2017 9.26am)

I see. It's you deflecting. You are not even doing it very well because you have to explain your deflection tactics.

Funnily enough, when I have been to a West African church, the subject of so called 'LGBT' rights hasn't come up in conversation.

Now why don't you answer what I put to you.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 17 9.58am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Do you agree that Muslims supporting the abhorrent criminalisation of homosexuality is no different to West African Christians supporting it too? Or is it ok for the latter because you go to their church? you did say you visit their place of worship a while back. And if it is not 'OK' in your eyes then I am assuming you are not too timid to say so. What has been their reaction? Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2017 9.26am) It's exactly the same when anyone says it but I do feel as a human being that, reasonable or not, things seem more unacceptable when they come people, some of whom are trying to kill you. I also find it very odd that you spend so much time defending a group of people with which you have nothing in common. Aside from the usual level of consideration one human shows to another, what is your problem? A psychologist would probably say that it says more about your mental state that any Muslim.

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Apr 17 9.58am

Originally posted by Kermit8

And if it is not 'OK' in your eyes then I am assuming you are not too timid to say so. What has been their reaction?

Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2017 9.26am)

It's exactly the same when anyone says it but I do feel as a human being that, reasonable or not, things seem more unacceptable when they come people, some of whom are trying to kill you.
I also find it very odd that you spend so much time defending a group of people with which you have nothing in common. Aside from the usual level of consideration one human shows to another, what is your problem?

A psychologist would probably say that it says more about your mental state that any Muslim.

matt_himself Matataland 29 Apr 17 10.16am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It's exactly the same when anyone says it but I do feel as a human being that, reasonable or not, things seem more unacceptable when they come people, some of whom are trying to kill you. I also find it very odd that you spend so much time defending a group of people with which you have nothing in common. Aside from the usual level of consideration one human shows to another, what is your problem? A psychologist would probably say that it says more about your mental state that any Muslim. I believe this is the result of a few things with Michael. Firstly, he has backed himself into a corner has to keep up this defence when debating that anyone whom disagrees with him is a 'racist' or a '-phobe'. This appears to arise from his decision to cut himself out of multicultural society and live in a white only enclave, one where the only foreigners are expected to live an 'Uncle Tom' existence, performing the tasks that the indigenous population don't want to do, and are expected to be grateful for the crumbs and patronising attitude they receive in return. He appears to suffer from guilt over this. There is also another reason, which is that Michael doesn't appear to like to be argued with or his 'authority' threatened. It's funny that this is something predominant in males whom have experienced the teaching World. Those of us whom haven't done the so-called 'hardest job in the World' (which is a patronising and incorrect position to hold) are beneath him and his ilks intelligence in their eyes and we say is automatically received with their contempt. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 29 Apr 17 10.16am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A psychologist would probably say that it says more about your mental state that any Muslim.

I believe this is the result of a few things with Michael.

Firstly, he has backed himself into a corner has to keep up this defence when debating that anyone whom disagrees with him is a 'racist' or a '-phobe'.

This appears to arise from his decision to cut himself out of multicultural society and live in a white only enclave, one where the only foreigners are expected to live an 'Uncle Tom' existence, performing the tasks that the indigenous population don't want to do, and are expected to be grateful for the crumbs and patronising attitude they receive in return. He appears to suffer from guilt over this.

There is also another reason, which is that Michael doesn't appear to like to be argued with or his 'authority' threatened. It's funny that this is something predominant in males whom have experienced the teaching World. Those of us whom haven't done the so-called 'hardest job in the World' (which is a patronising and incorrect position to hold) are beneath him and his ilks intelligence in their eyes and we say is automatically received with their contempt.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 17 10.33am
Originally posted by matt_himself I believe this is the result of a few things with Michael. Firstly, he has backed himself into a corner has to keep up this defence when debating that anyone whom disagrees with him is a 'racist' or a '-phobe'. This appears to arise from his decision to cut himself out of multicultural society and live in a white only enclave, one where the only foreigners are expected to live an 'Uncle Tom' existence, performing the tasks that the indigenous population don't want to do, and are expected to be grateful for the crumbs and patronising attitude they receive in return. He appears to suffer from guilt over this. There is also another reason, which is that Michael doesn't appear to like to be argued with or his 'authority' threatened. It's funny that this is something predominant in males whom have experienced the teaching World. Those of us whom haven't done the so-called 'hardest job in the World' (which is a patronising and incorrect position to hold) are beneath him and his ilks intelligence in their eyes and we say is automatically received with their contempt. He seems to select pieces of reality and history that suit his mindset and ignore what doesn't. I always wonder with such people if the moral superiority and ideological rigidity they display would remain if a loved one was harmed in a terrorist attack. If it did, I'm not sure if that would deserve respect or contempt.

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Apr 17 10.33am

Originally posted by matt_himself

I believe this is the result of a few things with Michael.

Firstly, he has backed himself into a corner has to keep up this defence when debating that anyone whom disagrees with him is a 'racist' or a '-phobe'.

He seems to select pieces of reality and history that suit his mindset and ignore what doesn't.

I always wonder with such people if the moral superiority and ideological rigidity they display would remain if a loved one was harmed in a terrorist attack.

If it did, I'm not sure if that would deserve respect or contempt.

Kermit8 Hevon 29 Apr 17 10.48am
Originally posted by matt_himself I see. It's you deflecting. You are not even doing it very well because you have to explain your deflection tactics. Funnily enough, when I have been to a West African church, the subject of so called 'LGBT' rights hasn't come up in conversation. Now why don't you answer what I put to you. So you freely associate with religious types who believe that homosexuality is a crime and punishable by...well, who knows? So it's ok when your social acquaintances think it too? [Link] Personally, i would never associate freely with such types but it's your life. Your choices. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 29 Apr 17 10.48am

Originally posted by matt_himself

I see. It's you deflecting. You are not even doing it very well because you have to explain your deflection tactics.

Funnily enough, when I have been to a West African church, the subject of so called 'LGBT' rights hasn't come up in conversation.

Now why don't you answer what I put to you.

So you freely associate with religious types who believe that homosexuality is a crime and punishable by...well, who knows?

So it's ok when your social acquaintances think it too? [Link]

Personally, i would never associate freely with such types but it's your life. Your choices.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Apr 17 10.50am
All this deflecting. Looks like head teachers may call for some action against cuts in schools at the NAHT conference this weekend. Fertile ground for persuading people not to vote Tory when they find out what's going on at their kids and grandkids school.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 29 Apr 17 10.50am

All this deflecting.

Looks like head teachers may call for some action against cuts in schools at the NAHT conference this weekend.
Fertile ground for persuading people not to vote Tory when they find out what's going on at their kids and grandkids school.

matt_himself Matataland 29 Apr 17 11.00am
Originally posted by Kermit8 So you freely associate with religious types who believe that homosexuality is a crime and punishable by...well, who knows? So it's ok when your social acquaintances think it too? [Link] Personally, i would never associate freely with such types but it's your life. Your choices. You really have hit a low with the above. Supposition, deflection and desperation, plus a lame attempt to insult me, label me as 'crypto homophobe' and also label all Christian West African immigrants as 'homophobes'. If I labelled a whole group of people in the manner you have done, you would be unleashing your faux outrage and using it as evidence of my 'little England' attitudes. I think this site, and the position you have backed yourself into, has got to you. Maybe you should take a break from it and assess what you are saying. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 29 Apr 17 11.00am

Originally posted by Kermit8

So you freely associate with religious types who believe that homosexuality is a crime and punishable by...well, who knows?

So it's ok when your social acquaintances think it too? [Link]

Personally, i would never associate freely with such types but it's your life. Your choices.

You really have hit a low with the above.

Supposition, deflection and desperation, plus a lame attempt to insult me, label me as 'crypto homophobe' and also label all Christian West African immigrants as 'homophobes'. If I labelled a whole group of people in the manner you have done, you would be unleashing your faux outrage and using it as evidence of my 'little England' attitudes.

I think this site, and the position you have backed yourself into, has got to you. Maybe you should take a break from it and assess what you are saying.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 17 11.07am
Originally posted by nickgusset All this deflecting. Looks like head teachers may call for some action against cuts in schools at the NAHT conference this weekend. Fertile ground for persuading people not to vote Tory when they find out what's going on at their kids and grandkids school. You live in a bubble of socialist rhetoric. Labour's policies will just create debt for children and grandchildren. Corbyn's type of policies have never worked anywhere ever. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Apr 2017 11.08am)

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Apr 17 11.07am

Originally posted by nickgusset

All this deflecting.

You live in a bubble of socialist rhetoric.

Labour's policies will just create debt for children and grandchildren. Corbyn's type of policies have never worked anywhere ever.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Apr 2017 11.08am)

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Apr 17 11.12am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You live in a bubble of socialist rhetoric. Labour's policies will just create debt for children and grandchildren. Corbyn's type of policies have never worked anywhere ever. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Apr 2017 11.08am) Hrolf I couldn't agree more. I was just going make a rare foray into a political debate on HOL to post this very message ! I think I will leave it at this and allow others to debate otherwise it will only go one way with the focus on 'Yours Truly' rather than the matter under discussion.Over to you chaps and chapesses !

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Apr 17 11.12am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You live in a bubble of socialist rhetoric.

Labour's policies will just create debt for children and grandchildren. Corbyn's type of policies have never worked anywhere ever.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Apr 2017 11.08am)

Hrolf

I couldn't agree more.

I was just going make a rare foray into a political debate on HOL to post this very message !

I think I will leave it at this and allow others to debate otherwise it will only go one way with the focus on 'Yours Truly' rather than the matter under discussion.Over to you chaps and chapesses !

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Apr 17 11.13am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You live in a bubble of socialist rhetoric. Labour's policies will just create debt for children and grandchildren. Corbyn's type of policies have never worked anywhere ever. . Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Apr 2017 11.08am) You obviously ignore the spiralling debt caused by austerity. Care to explain why you think investment and job creation will lead to more debt when Keynesian economics shows a positive return on these types of investments.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 29 Apr 17 11.13am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You live in a bubble of socialist rhetoric.

Labour's policies will just create debt for children and grandchildren. Corbyn's type of policies have never worked anywhere ever.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Apr 2017 11.08am)

You obviously ignore the spiralling debt caused by austerity.
Care to explain why you think investment and job creation will lead to more debt when Keynesian economics shows a positive return on these types of investments.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Apr 17 11.14am
[Link] Just leaving this here.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 29 Apr 17 11.14am

[Link]

Just leaving this here.

.TUX. 29 Apr 17 11.57am
Originally posted by Sportyteacher Your response regarding the economy is based upon speculation rather than referring to fact. Granted that Brown was a disaster as PM and should never had sold gold reserves at bargain basement price and that he did also admit that he should've regulated the banks albeit three months before 2010 General Election (long after the damage had been done); but what Osborne has achieved certainly eclipses all of the aforementioned. As mentioned before (yet some still choose to blame Brown/Labour), Brown was politely asked to sell the gold. The effect of dumping this much gold on the market forced the price down thus, surprise surprise, aiding a large (American) bank to 'straighten-out' it's books by buying at a far cheaper price than before. In effect it was another bail-out for the parasitical financial system............again paid for by us. Whoever had been in power at the time would also have been ''politely asked'' and would also have had no option but to sell. Cunds. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

29 Apr 17 11.57am

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Your response regarding the economy is based upon speculation rather than referring to fact. Granted that Brown was a disaster as PM and should never had sold gold reserves at bargain basement price and that he did also admit that he should've regulated the banks albeit three months before 2010 General Election (long after the damage had been done); but what Osborne has achieved certainly eclipses all of the aforementioned.

As mentioned before (yet some still choose to blame Brown/Labour), Brown was politely asked to sell the gold. The effect of dumping this much gold on the market forced the price down thus, surprise surprise, aiding a large (American) bank to 'straighten-out' it's books by buying at a far cheaper price than before.
In effect it was another bail-out for the parasitical financial system............again paid for by us.
Whoever had been in power at the time would also have been ''politely asked'' and would also have had no option but to sell.

Cunds.

Buy Litecoin.

steeleye20 Croydon 29 Apr 17 11.59am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You live in a bubble of socialist rhetoric. Labour's policies will just create debt for children and grandchildren. Corbyn's type of policies have never worked anywhere ever. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Apr 2017 11.08am) A you know already the tories have created more debt since 2010 than all previous labour governments this is the truth.

steeleye20

Croydon 29 Apr 17 11.59am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You live in a bubble of socialist rhetoric.

Labour's policies will just create debt for children and grandchildren. Corbyn's type of policies have never worked anywhere ever.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Apr 2017 11.08am)

A you know already the tories have created more debt since 2010 than all previous labour governments this is the truth.

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 29 Apr 17 12.12pm
Originally posted by Willo Hrolf I couldn't agree more. I was just going make a rare foray into a political debate on HOL to post this very message ! I think I will leave it at this and allow others to debate otherwise it will only go one way with the focus on 'Yours Truly' rather than the matter under discussion.Over to you chaps and chapesses ! Fifth or sixth time you've said that now? the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 29 Apr 17 12.12pm

Originally posted by Willo

Hrolf

I couldn't agree more.

I was just going make a rare foray into a political debate on HOL to post this very message !

I think I will leave it at this and allow others to debate otherwise it will only go one way with the focus on 'Yours Truly' rather than the matter under discussion.Over to you chaps and chapesses !

Fifth or sixth time you've said that now?

the dignified don't even enter in the game

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Apr 17 12.23pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Fifth or sixth time you've said that now? More like running away when confronted with facts and figures that back up how the Tories are f***ing up our green and pleasant.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 29 Apr 17 12.23pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Fifth or sixth time you've said that now?

More like running away when confronted with facts and figures that back up how the Tories are f***ing up our green and pleasant.

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 17 12.25pm
Originally posted by nickgusset You obviously ignore the spiralling debt caused by austerity. Care to explain why you think investment and job creation will lead to more debt when Keynesian economics shows a positive return on these types of investments. There is no spiraling debt beyond the interest payments on all the money that Labour borrowed. What will they invest with? More borrowed money which means even more repayment in the future. I hope you don't run your family budget like you would run the country You really talk some s***e. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Apr 2017 12.25pm)

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Apr 17 12.25pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

There is no spiraling debt beyond the interest payments on all the money that Labour borrowed.
What will they invest with? More borrowed money which means even more repayment in the future.

I hope you don't run your family budget like you would run the country

You really talk some s***e.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Apr 2017 12.25pm)

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 17 12.28pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 A you know already the tories have created more debt since 2010 than all previous labour governments this is the truth. No. What they did was stop borrowing and start paying the debt. That is what the figures show. Just because you keep parroting something doesn't make it true.

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Apr 17 12.28pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

A you know already the tories have created more debt since 2010 than all previous labour governments this is the truth.

No. What they did was stop borrowing and start paying the debt. That is what the figures show.

Just because you keep parroting something doesn't make it true.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Apr 17 12.43pm
Originally posted by nickgusset More like running away when confronted with facts and figures that back up how the Tories are f***ing up our green and pleasant. Total and utter hogwash on both scores. Archetypal left-wing bilge. I have lost count of the number of times I have got into protracted and fiesty political debate over the years much to the disgust of my dear wife who has seen me in a 'Hissy Fit' as I have defended my dear Conservatives to the hilt.I am certainly NOT a milquetoast who shies away from arguing my case. In the interests of HOL, I decide NOT to get into any political debate because as sure as night follows day it will desintegrate into a debate about "Yours Truly" rather than the matter under discussion.My wife agrees that this is best NOT only for me but for HOL.Brimstone and gladitorial hostility would take the place of mature and reasoned debate. My goodness I could really go "To town" about the shambolic Corbyn and his left-wing comrades and all the 'Placards and protestors' brigade.What a pathetic opposition ! In actual fact I'm NOT even going to bother to browse this 'Thread' any more so all the barbs against me and the Conservatives will remain unseen. Edited by Willo (29 Apr 2017 12.50pm)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Apr 17 12.43pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

More like running away when confronted with facts and figures that back up how the Tories are f***ing up our green and pleasant.

Total and utter hogwash on both scores.
Archetypal left-wing bilge.

I have lost count of the number of times I have got into protracted and fiesty political debate over the years much to the disgust of my dear wife who has seen me in a 'Hissy Fit' as I have defended my dear Conservatives to the hilt.I am certainly NOT a milquetoast who shies away from arguing my case.

In the interests of HOL, I decide NOT to get into any political debate because as sure as night follows day it will desintegrate into a debate about "Yours Truly" rather than the matter under discussion.My wife agrees that this is best NOT only for me but for HOL.Brimstone and gladitorial hostility would take the place of mature and reasoned debate.
My goodness I could really go "To town" about the shambolic Corbyn and his left-wing comrades and all the 'Placards and protestors' brigade.What a pathetic opposition !

In actual fact I'm NOT even going to bother to browse this 'Thread' any more so all the barbs against me and the Conservatives will remain unseen.

Edited by Willo (29 Apr 2017 12.50pm)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Apr 17 1.16pm
Originally posted by Willo Total and utter hogwash on both scores. Archetypal left-wing bilge. I have lost count of the number of times I have got into protracted and fiesty political debate over the years much to the disgust of my dear wife who has seen me in a 'Hissy Fit' as I have defended my dear Conservatives to the hilt.I am certainly NOT a milquetoast who shies away from arguing my case. In the interests of HOL, I decide NOT to get into any political debate because as sure as night follows day it will desintegrate into a debate about "Yours Truly" rather than the matter under discussion.My wife agrees that this is best NOT only for me but for HOL.Brimstone and gladitorial hostility would take the place of mature and reasoned debate. My goodness I could really go "To town" about the shambolic Corbyn and his left-wing comrades and all the 'Placards and protestors' brigade.What a pathetic opposition ! In actual fact I'm NOT even going to bother to browse this 'Thread' any more so all the barbs against me and the Conservatives will remain unseen. Edited by Willo (29 Apr 2017 12.50pm) Ostrich. Fair play for the word of the day though. Before you go, how do you answer the charge that it is irrefutable that this Tory lot have created more debt since 2010 than all labour governments combined?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 29 Apr 17 1.16pm

Originally posted by Willo

Total and utter hogwash on both scores.
Archetypal left-wing bilge.

In actual fact I'm NOT even going to bother to browse this 'Thread' any more so all the barbs against me and the Conservatives will remain unseen.

Edited by Willo (29 Apr 2017 12.50pm)

Ostrich.
Fair play for the word of the day though.

Before you go, how do you answer the charge that it is irrefutable that this Tory lot have created more debt since 2010 than all labour governments combined?

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