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Casual Flag Orpington 28 Jun 19 8.00am

Originally posted by ChrisGC


I'm not sure women's football is taking the limelight as much as you think it is, the standard still isn't great and pubs/ fan parks are still empty. I wouldn't be too quick to buy into the media's agenda.

Beyond wishing our girls all the best I think 99% of punters aren't any closer to paying to watch that dross.

It'll go full circle anyway and AWB represents part of that with his excellent, almost throw-back slide tackles.

As you say, as soon as the game goes full non-contact it's finished.

Yep. It’s when they say things like ‘she’s England’s 4th record top scorer behind Rooney , lineker and charlton’ that makes me uninterested.
It needs to be looked as a stand alone game , not comparing someone that probably plays for the Doncaster Bells , as breaking Peter Shiltons appearance record.

 

dreamwaverider Flag London 28 Jun 19 8.30am

Originally posted by Casual

Yep. It’s when they say things like ‘she’s England’s 4th record top scorer behind Rooney , lineker and charlton’ that makes me uninterested.
It needs to be looked as a stand alone game , not comparing someone that probably plays for the Doncaster Bells , as breaking Peter Shiltons appearance record.

All part of the deluded pc brigade that will take modern football down a road that will make thousands more fans lose interest just like you.
The women football pundits I see on sky are like robots. They are so pc it is ridiculous. Men players who speak proper English aren’t far behind them.
The game is fast being sterilised. Super clean safe super fit athletes all pc adjusted. Wonder how long it will be before a robot is playing?
I’ll give it 30 years.

 

taylors lovechild Flag 28 Jun 19 8.38am

Back before Christmas there were some people who were saying we should sell AWB if we get an offer north of 20m and I disagreed as I felt right-back is an important position in our set up. I also really wanted to see at least another season of 'spider'. However, when a club the size of United turn up and make a world record offer it is very hard for the club to say no. It is easy to start throwing insults at Parish and the board, but until we see what else happens this summer I think it is unjustified. If we end up with a cheap fix and little spending elsewhere then I think most (if not all) of us will be disgruntled, but that hasn't happened yet. For example, one rumoured replacement is the Atlanta lad (Casagne) who helped his team qualify for CL, scoring 4 goals and getting 3 assists in the process.

We are all disappointed to see AWB go, especially to United, but I'm willing to hold judgement...while also praying to whatever god there might be that Zaha stays (no amount of money is going to make that feel ok if he does leave).

 

ChrisGC Flag Wantage 28 Jun 19 9.00am

Originally posted by Man City

I don't think you can complain too much about your board selling an uncapped player for what is a world record fee for a full-back. £55m is a good deal for a player who hasn't yet played for the national team. I've watched him develop and he's brilliant at defending but unlike van Aanholt he doesn't get forward much and he'll be expected to do so at Utd. They'll want him to hit the ground running, but I think it might take him a season to adapt.

I know some of your fans will be unhappy to have sold one of your best players but presumably the club saw this coming and will have been targeting players to buy and strengthen the club overall. I'd be a bit worried that that hasn't happened yet. If the money just sits in the bank, then what's the point of that? Players on the pitch are worth a lot more than money in the bank.

Firstly, he's only uncapped because he doesn't play for a big six team, that'll change now. Secondly, it's not relevant when you're talking about potential.

Thirdly, I think you're referring to City's setup, not United's. United desperately need defensively skilled players to build a base from. Even if he is going to be used as a RWB (and nothing about Ole's history leads me to believe he will) he is a converted winger so I'm sure with his talent and pace he can adapt back into that role.

50 million is going to prove an absolute bargain and be scant consolation to us when week in week out Ward is getting skinned and we're conceding goals from the opposition's left.
AWB absolutely owned every player that ran at him when we played you, twice.

 

Man City Flag Manchester 28 Jun 19 9.29am

It's a myth that Bissaka didn't attack because of the CPFC set-up....see Van Aanholt's attacking play as proof of that.

There is a much simpler reason why Utd went for Bissaka and James and that's because they are in danger of breaching the Premier League's short term cost control on wages. They apply for those clubs whose revenues are flat or falling and they mean for such clubs, wage bill increases are capped at approx £150k pw or £7m per annum if you prefer. Hence Utd make Bissaka the most expensive full back in the world but on relatively low wages (compared to Man Utd players), and likewise James.

 

Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 28 Jun 19 10.00am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

He’s from Barbados.

In the sunny Caribbean sea....

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 28 Jun 19 10.07am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

In the sunny Caribbean sea....

Oh !

 


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CrazyBadger Flag Ware 28 Jun 19 10.18am

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Firstly, he's only uncapped because he doesn't play for a big six team, that'll change now. Secondly, it's not relevant when you're talking about potential.

Thirdly, I think you're referring to City's setup, not United's. United desperately need defensively skilled players to build a base from. Even if he is going to be used as a RWB (and nothing about Ole's history leads me to believe he will) he is a converted winger so I'm sure with his talent and pace he can adapt back into that role.

50 million is going to prove an absolute bargain and be scant consolation to us when week in week out Ward is getting skinned and we're conceding goals from the opposition's left.
AWB absolutely owned every player that ran at him when we played you, twice.

fed up with this idea that he's only not been a part of the Senior squad just Because he's with us, simply not justified, (in this Case)

There's Walker and TAA both before him in the pecking order, and yes, Awb is a Better defender than either of them, but he no where near their level from an attacking perspective (yet).

Add to that he's had a few opportunites in the England youth setup where he hasn't exactly shined, and you begin to see that perhaps he's not ready for a full international call up (Again yet).

He may get a call up while at ManU - and we'll never know if he would have after another season with us, but I think that it's unlikely without an injury to TAA or KW. What we do know, is that if he succeeds at ManU he will do so under a greater microscope, and under greater pressure. This will only help in when playing for england.

He's had one full year playing for F*cks sake, let him develop(shame it's not with us). The obsession in this country with rushing through youngsters does me in!

 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 28 Jun 19 10.22am

AWB in Manure gear before the transfer....

England U21 thought he was playing for someone else - (own goal in added time).

Was he forced out as a traitor, did he vote remain?

 

jimruss Flag Sidcup 28 Jun 19 10.42am

Originally posted by Man City

I don't think you can complain too much about your board selling an uncapped player for what is a world record fee for a full-back. £55m is a good deal for a player who hasn't yet played for the national team. I've watched him develop and he's brilliant at defending but unlike van Aanholt he doesn't get forward much and he'll be expected to do so at Utd. They'll want him to hit the ground running, but I think it might take him a season to adapt.

I know some of your fans will be unhappy to have sold one of your best players but presumably the club saw this coming and will have been targeting players to buy and strengthen the club overall. I'd be a bit worried that that hasn't happened yet. If the money just sits in the bank, then what's the point of that? Players on the pitch are worth a lot more than money in the bank.

That bit made me smile, I doubt we've started looking even now. We have Joel Ward, that'll be good enough for us for the season

Edited by jimruss (28 Jun 2019 10.42am)

Edited by jimruss (28 Jun 2019 10.45am)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Jun 19 10.42am

You spend your whole life supporting a club hoping to get players of the quality of AWB only to see them sold within a year.

This club has obviously reached its limits under the current regime and infrastructure. Until that changes, we will continue to sell our best players

I'm getting that Alan Mullery feeling.

 

Bangell Flag Oxford 28 Jun 19 10.51am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You spend your whole life supporting a club hoping to get players of the quality of AWB only to see them sold within a year.

This club has obviously reached its limits under the current regime and infrastructure. Until that changes, we will continue to sell our best players

I'm getting that Alan Mullery feeling.

You mean until we get purchased by a multi-billionaire?

 

Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 28 Jun 19 11.00am

Originally posted by NEILLO

Oh !

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

pompeyeagle Flag Relocated to Shropshire 28 Jun 19 11.19am

I’ve no problems with us selling AWB. It’s just a fact of life that on the rare occasions that we do unearth a little gem a bigger club is going to come and snap them up. It’s not like we didn’t get what he was worth, in fact I would say we got well above what we could have expected for a player with one full season’s experience. It’s a miracle in my opinion that Wilf is still with us. If it hadn’t been for his experience with Man. Utd he would have been long gone. My only concern would be what Roy does with the money. What we don’t need is any more Jachs, Rakips or Sorloths.

 

gambler Flag Kent 28 Jun 19 11.36am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You spend your whole life supporting a club hoping to get players of the quality of AWB only to see them sold within a year.

This club has obviously reached its limits under the current regime and infrastructure. Until that changes, we will continue to sell our best players

I'm getting that Alan Mullery feeling.

You spend your whole life supporting a club hoping they'll win something.

But some supporters would rather premier league survival over a cup win.

What's the difference hrolf?

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Jun 19 12.29pm

Originally posted by gambler

You spend your whole life supporting a club hoping they'll win something.

But some supporters would rather premier league survival over a cup win.

What's the difference hrolf?

As would I, but it's more about a sense of progress.

We have done well in the last 5 years but that has come to a grinding halt as the club concedes defeat in any effort to rise above mid table.

Supporting a football team is about passion and not pragmatism. In this case, I believe that the board's pragmatism is not in line with improving the playing side.

It is either about desperation or profit.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Jun 2019 12.30pm)

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 28 Jun 19 12.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

As would I, but it's more about a sense of progress.

We have done well in the last 5 years but that has come to a grinding halt as the club concedes defeat in any effort to rise above mid table.

Supporting a football team is about passion and not pragmatism. In this case, I believe that the board's pragmatism is not in line with improving the playing side.

It is either about desperation or profit.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Jun 2019 12.30pm)

You are quite right.

However, let us look at this in the cold light of day.

If somebody were to offer you 50 millions for a guy who is an excellent footballer you would think they were nuts and flee with the money surely.

Reluctantly joining the money camp.

Yes, steeleye is corruptible....

:'( :'( :'( :'(

 

Stirlingsays Flag 28 Jun 19 1.08pm

When Zaha goes that will be our two best players gone.

I'm not criticising it as such as only the future will inform us as to the wisedom.

Also, keeping a player at a club against their wishes can bring its own problems and we don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

Anyway when Zaha goes that will be truly the start of a new era at the club......probably bring in a new style of football and everything will look different.

Things are going to be changing.....and as life rules, change will be s***e for some and beneficial for others.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jun 2019 1.09pm)

 


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Painter Flag Croydon 28 Jun 19 1.29pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You spend your whole life supporting a club hoping to get players of the quality of AWB only to see them sold within a year.

This club has obviously reached its limits under the current regime and infrastructure. Until that changes, we will continue to sell our best players

I'm getting that Alan Mullery feeling.

There hasn’t been a period in your time supporting Palace, that we haven’t sold our players.

They get offered £50m, player declares his love of Man Utd and produces pictures of himself as a kid in a Utd kit. Do you refuse to sell and let the player run his contract down and walk away for nothing or take the money.

Don’t try and blame the current regime, it’s nothing new, it’s business.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Jun 19 2.09pm

Originally posted by Painter

There hasn’t been a period in your time supporting Palace, that we haven’t sold our players.

They get offered £50m, player declares his love of Man Utd and produces pictures of himself as a kid in a Utd kit. Do you refuse to sell and let the player run his contract down and walk away for nothing or take the money.

Don’t try and blame the current regime, it’s nothing new, it’s business.

I am blaming the current regime because it was their decision and one that sends the team backward.

More to the point, I am left wondering why one should waste emotion on a Saturday for a club that sells possibly the best defender it has ever had inside a year.
What is the point in suffering endlessly? I have already spent an entire lifetime in false hope.

 

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