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.TUX. 19 Jun 18 9.39pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 It's the whole system though surely, isn't it? The EU included. Yes it is. The difference being that 'the bloc' has lived on debt, as ever payable by the plebs, that only ever favours those at the top of the tree.............FROM DAY ONE. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

19 Jun 18 9.39pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It's the whole system though surely, isn't it?

The EU included.

Yes it is.
The difference being that 'the bloc' has lived on debt, as ever payable by the plebs, that only ever favours those at the top of the tree.............FROM DAY ONE.

Buy Litecoin.

Stirlingsays 19 Jun 18 9.51pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Yes it is. The difference being that 'the bloc' has lived on debt, as ever payable by the plebs, that only ever favours those at the top of the tree.............FROM DAY ONE. Which society hasn't lived on debt Tux? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

19 Jun 18 9.51pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Yes it is.
The difference being that 'the bloc' has lived on debt, as ever payable by the plebs, that only ever favours those at the top of the tree.............FROM DAY ONE.

Which society hasn't lived on debt Tux?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

.TUX. 19 Jun 18 10.32pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Which society hasn't lived on debt Tux? ''FROM DAY ONE''. Stop being a knob bud. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

19 Jun 18 10.32pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Which society hasn't lived on debt Tux?

''FROM DAY ONE''.

Stop being a knob bud.

Buy Litecoin.

steeleye20 Croydon 19 Jun 18 10.43pm
Originally posted by .TUX. ''FROM DAY ONE''. Stop being a knob bud. The only knob round here is you. 'FROM DAY ONE'

steeleye20

Croydon 19 Jun 18 10.43pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

''FROM DAY ONE''.

Stop being a knob bud.

The only knob round here is you.

'FROM DAY ONE'

.TUX. 19 Jun 18 10.49pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The only knob round here is you. 'FROM DAY ONE' Where exactly has this come from? Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

19 Jun 18 10.49pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The only knob round here is you.

'FROM DAY ONE'

Where exactly has this come from?

Buy Litecoin.

steeleye20 Croydon 19 Jun 18 10.51pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Where exactly has this come from? Your post.

steeleye20

Croydon 19 Jun 18 10.51pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Where exactly has this come from?

Your post.

.TUX. 19 Jun 18 10.56pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Your post. The one 3yrs ago regarding the effects of half a shandy on some people? Help me out here. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

19 Jun 18 10.56pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Your post.

The one 3yrs ago regarding the effects of half a shandy on some people?
Help me out here.

Buy Litecoin.

Stirlingsays 19 Jun 18 11.24pm
Originally posted by .TUX. ''FROM DAY ONE''. Stop being a knob bud. I reckon you watch too much Stefan Molyneux. Every society that has had access to numerical exchange and usary has existed on debt. Western society has nowhere to go. Technology can't be undeveloped. Knowledge can't be unlearnt. There will be crashes and there will be downturns but nothing is going to implode. Systems may alter, projects like the EU may fall, but the west will continue. Well.....I view its challenges to lay in other areas. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jun 2018 12.16am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

19 Jun 18 11.24pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

''FROM DAY ONE''.

Stop being a knob bud.

I reckon you watch too much Stefan Molyneux.

Every society that has had access to numerical exchange and usary has existed on debt.

Western society has nowhere to go. Technology can't be undeveloped. Knowledge can't be unlearnt. There will be crashes and there will be downturns but nothing is going to implode.

Systems may alter, projects like the EU may fall, but the west will continue.

Well.....I view its challenges to lay in other areas.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jun 2018 12.16am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 21 Jun 18 11.21am
Just thought that Steely might want to know. The anti-EU, anti-mass migration Swedish Democrats have surged to first place ahead of Sweden’s election in September. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

21 Jun 18 11.21am

Just thought that Steely might want to know.

The anti-EU, anti-mass migration Swedish Democrats have surged to first place ahead of Sweden’s election in September.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 21 Jun 18 12.48pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Just thought that Steely might want to know. The anti-EU, anti-mass migration Swedish Democrats have surged to first place ahead of Sweden’s election in September. I think a coalition be it of centre-left or right will prevail. The Swedish 'democrats' have neo-fascist roots and kept out of government so far by the others with the PR voting system.

steeleye20

Croydon 21 Jun 18 12.48pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Just thought that Steely might want to know.

The anti-EU, anti-mass migration Swedish Democrats have surged to first place ahead of Sweden’s election in September.

I think a coalition be it of centre-left or right will prevail.

The Swedish 'democrats' have neo-fascist roots and kept out of government so far by the others with the PR voting system.

steeleye20 Croydon 21 Jun 18 12.50pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I think a coalition be it of centre-left or right will prevail. The Swedish 'democrats' have neo-fascist roots and kept out of government so far by the others with the PR voting system. The 'democrats' polled 14%, having 'surged' it would still be only 18% still enough for concern.

steeleye20

Croydon 21 Jun 18 12.50pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I think a coalition be it of centre-left or right will prevail.

The Swedish 'democrats' have neo-fascist roots and kept out of government so far by the others with the PR voting system.

The 'democrats' polled 14%, having 'surged' it would still be only 18% still enough for concern.

Stirlingsays 21 Jun 18 1.09pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I think a coalition be it of centre-left or right will prevail. The Swedish 'democrats' have neo-fascist roots and kept out of government so far by the others with the PR voting system. You think a right wing party will combine with a left wing one to keep another right wing party out? Coalitions against the largest party are not good for democracy. Any party who is anti high immigration is called neo fascist by the far left. Like I said Steely....anti EU parties are on the rise in the EU. The EU isn't popular and for good reason. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jun 2018 1.11pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

21 Jun 18 1.09pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I think a coalition be it of centre-left or right will prevail.

The Swedish 'democrats' have neo-fascist roots and kept out of government so far by the others with the PR voting system.

You think a right wing party will combine with a left wing one to keep another right wing party out? Coalitions against the largest party are not good for democracy.

Any party who is anti high immigration is called neo fascist by the far left.

Like I said Steely....anti EU parties are on the rise in the EU.

The EU isn't popular and for good reason.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jun 2018 1.11pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 21 Jun 18 1.45pm
News story today about Naz Shah having to come to the commons to vote in a wheelchair because she is ill. She was not paired with a Tory MP. This was the EU debate. Normally parties would pair sick MPs so 1 sick Labour MP would agree not to vote and so would 1 sick Tory. Personally I think all MPs are sick but that's another story. Apparently both parties are blaming each other no surprise there then. My point is that this is stupid and dates back to when MP's retired for months back to their country estates. Making them turn up to vote in person forced them to attend parliament. They should have a process to allow MPS to request an "off-site" vote in these circumstance. Ministers are often out of the country so they cannot vote another stupid convention. We allow people who left this country 15 years ago to vote but not the Foreign Secretary who is representing our country abroad? Hopefully The Speaker will take note and suggest a reform. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 21 Jun 18 1.45pm

News story today about Naz Shah having to come to the commons to vote in a wheelchair because she is ill. She was not paired with a Tory MP. This was the EU debate.

Normally parties would pair sick MPs so 1 sick Labour MP would agree not to vote and so would 1 sick Tory. Personally I think all MPs are sick but that's another story. Apparently both parties are blaming each other no surprise there then.

My point is that this is stupid and dates back to when MP's retired for months back to their country estates. Making them turn up to vote in person forced them to attend parliament. They should have a process to allow MPS to request an "off-site" vote in these circumstance. Ministers are often out of the country so they cannot vote another stupid convention. We allow people who left this country 15 years ago to vote but not the Foreign Secretary who is representing our country abroad?

Hopefully The Speaker will take note and suggest a reform.

One more point

Stuk Top half 21 Jun 18 2.24pm
Originally posted by Badger11 News story today about Naz Shah having to come to the commons to vote in a wheelchair because she is ill. She was not paired with a Tory MP. This was the EU debate. Normally parties would pair sick MPs so 1 sick Labour MP would agree not to vote and so would 1 sick Tory. Personally I think all MPs are sick but that's another story. Apparently both parties are blaming each other no surprise there then. My point is that this is stupid and dates back to when MP's retired for months back to their country estates. Making them turn up to vote in person forced them to attend parliament. They should have a process to allow MPS to request an "off-site" vote in these circumstance. Ministers are often out of the country so they cannot vote another stupid convention. We allow people who left this country 15 years ago to vote but not the Foreign Secretary who is representing our country abroad? Hopefully The Speaker will take note and suggest a reform. Maybe if she wasn't such an odious individual she wouldn't have had to, but more likely is that Labour didn't ask for this in advance. They had no problem doing it for another Labour MP by her own admission: Posting on Twitter today, Ms Smith, 33, said: 'Thank you NHS for being there when we need it. For me that was an unexpected hospital trip yesterday. 'I’ve been advised not to travel so won’t be able to reach Westminster to vote today. I appreciate the Government pairing me with a Tory MP so it won’t change the result of votes.' Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 21 Jun 18 2.24pm

Originally posted by Badger11

News story today about Naz Shah having to come to the commons to vote in a wheelchair because she is ill. She was not paired with a Tory MP. This was the EU debate.

Hopefully The Speaker will take note and suggest a reform.

Maybe if she wasn't such an odious individual she wouldn't have had to, but more likely is that Labour didn't ask for this in advance.

They had no problem doing it for another Labour MP by her own admission:

Posting on Twitter today, Ms Smith, 33, said: 'Thank you NHS for being there when we need it. For me that was an unexpected hospital trip yesterday.

'I’ve been advised not to travel so won’t be able to reach Westminster to vote today. I appreciate the Government pairing me with a Tory MP so it won’t change the result of votes.'

Optimistic as ever

steeleye20 Croydon 21 Jun 18 3.06pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You think a right wing party will combine with a left wing one to keep another right wing party out? Coalitions against the largest party are not good for democracy. Any party who is anti high immigration is called neo fascist by the far left. Like I said Steely....anti EU parties are on the rise in the EU. The EU isn't popular and for good reason. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jun 2018 1.11pm) You think a right wing party will combine with a left wing one to keep another right wing party out? Coalitions against the largest party are not good for democracy. Definitely not Sweden does have government where the voters are represented, coalitions work very well IMO they are best at countering fascism in Europe. Of course the EU is unpopular, in my view unjustifiably but as Mrs T said, we need Brussels to take the blame. There has already been considerable tightening on immigration in the EU, there has been none here in fact after we leave it is forecast to increase. Just a few thoughts.

steeleye20

Croydon 21 Jun 18 3.06pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You think a right wing party will combine with a left wing one to keep another right wing party out? Coalitions against the largest party are not good for democracy.

Any party who is anti high immigration is called neo fascist by the far left.

Like I said Steely....anti EU parties are on the rise in the EU.

The EU isn't popular and for good reason.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jun 2018 1.11pm)

You think a right wing party will combine with a left wing one to keep another right wing party out? Coalitions against the largest party are not good for democracy.

Definitely not Sweden does have government where the voters are represented, coalitions work very well IMO they are best at countering fascism in Europe.

Of course the EU is unpopular, in my view unjustifiably but as Mrs T said, we need Brussels to take the blame.

There has already been considerable tightening on immigration in the EU, there has been none here in fact after we leave it is forecast to increase.

Just a few thoughts.

Badger11 Beckenham 21 Jun 18 3.22pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 You think a right wing party will combine with a left wing one to keep another right wing party out? Coalitions against the largest party are not good for democracy. Definitely not Sweden does have government where the voters are represented, coalitions work very well IMO they are best at countering fascism in Europe. Of course the EU is unpopular, in my view unjustifiably but as Mrs T said, we need Brussels to take the blame. There has already been considerable tightening on immigration in the EU, there has been none here in fact after we leave it is forecast to increase. Just a few thoughts. I am not a fan of coalitions they can work but it can also mean the tail wagging the dog. Plenty of Labour supporters are not happy with the Tory - DUP deal and complained about the extra 1bn that Northern Ireland got. Well that's what happens when a smaller party is in the driving seat they extract concessions. On the reverse side the Lib Dems gave up free student loans to pull up a chair at the big table and look what happened to them for breaking their manifesto committment. On balance and for all it's faults I prefer first past the post even when it's a party I didn't vote for. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 21 Jun 18 3.22pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

You think a right wing party will combine with a left wing one to keep another right wing party out? Coalitions against the largest party are not good for democracy.

Definitely not Sweden does have government where the voters are represented, coalitions work very well IMO they are best at countering fascism in Europe.

Of course the EU is unpopular, in my view unjustifiably but as Mrs T said, we need Brussels to take the blame.

There has already been considerable tightening on immigration in the EU, there has been none here in fact after we leave it is forecast to increase.

Just a few thoughts.

I am not a fan of coalitions they can work but it can also mean the tail wagging the dog. Plenty of Labour supporters are not happy with the Tory - DUP deal and complained about the extra 1bn that Northern Ireland got. Well that's what happens when a smaller party is in the driving seat they extract concessions.

On the reverse side the Lib Dems gave up free student loans to pull up a chair at the big table and look what happened to them for breaking their manifesto committment.

On balance and for all it's faults I prefer first past the post even when it's a party I didn't vote for.

One more point

Stirlingsays 21 Jun 18 7.45pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 You think a right wing party will combine with a left wing one to keep another right wing party out? Coalitions against the largest party are not good for democracy. Definitely not Sweden does have government where the voters are represented, coalitions work very well IMO they are best at countering fascism in Europe. Of course the EU is unpopular, in my view unjustifiably but as Mrs T said, we need Brussels to take the blame. There has already been considerable tightening on immigration in the EU, there has been none here in fact after we leave it is forecast to increase. Just a few thoughts. There are no anti EU fascist parties in Europe. Not that I'm aware of anyway. Fascism is authoritarian and anti democratic......You know....Seeing as you like the EU I would have thought you were a bit up for that. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

21 Jun 18 7.45pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

You think a right wing party will combine with a left wing one to keep another right wing party out? Coalitions against the largest party are not good for democracy.

Definitely not Sweden does have government where the voters are represented, coalitions work very well IMO they are best at countering fascism in Europe.

Of course the EU is unpopular, in my view unjustifiably but as Mrs T said, we need Brussels to take the blame.

There has already been considerable tightening on immigration in the EU, there has been none here in fact after we leave it is forecast to increase.

Just a few thoughts.

There are no anti EU fascist parties in Europe. Not that I'm aware of anyway.

Fascism is authoritarian and anti democratic......You know....Seeing as you like the EU I would have thought you were a bit up for that.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 21 Jun 18 8.41pm
Stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities. A functioning market economy and the capacity to cope with competition and market forces in the EU. That is what you have to satisfy to be in the EU.

steeleye20

Croydon 21 Jun 18 8.41pm

Stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities.

A functioning market economy and the capacity to cope with competition and market forces in the EU.

That is what you have to satisfy to be in the EU.

Stirlingsays 21 Jun 18 8.56pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities. A functioning market economy and the capacity to cope with competition and market forces in the EU. That is what you have to satisfy to be in the EU. Only so the Germans can sell you stuff and know they will get paid for it. What the EU really requires is that you bend the knee. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

21 Jun 18 8.56pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities.

A functioning market economy and the capacity to cope with competition and market forces in the EU.

That is what you have to satisfy to be in the EU.

Only so the Germans can sell you stuff and know they will get paid for it.

What the EU really requires is that you bend the knee.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 21 Jun 18 9.08pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Only so the Germans can sell you stuff and know they will get paid for it. What the EU really requires is that you bend the knee. Stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities. The whole reason for the europpean project was that such a thing would never happen again.

steeleye20

Croydon 21 Jun 18 9.08pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Only so the Germans can sell you stuff and know they will get paid for it.

What the EU really requires is that you bend the knee.

Stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities.

The whole reason for the europpean project was that such a thing would never happen again.

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