The EU knows nothing about democracy – are you serious? What about all the unelected EU commissioners and officials? What about the referendums they have forced countries to re-run when the vote didn't go their way?

The UK did perfectly well with rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities before the EU even existed. And I hardly think the EU are great at acting out the list above anyway.

That is ridiculous the EU has not forced the UK to re-run its referendum.

As the UK did perfectly well as you say then it is an ideal member.

Yeah and the people of those countries after given time to see what they were really voting for, rather than knee jerk based on fake media, decided to change their minds. That is true democrasy where people can change their minds when they have more information or education. The brexit vote showed that many were tricked into voting for something that they regret now the true facts are available on exactly what they would actually be voting for.

Why are so many 'brexiteers' so frightened about a 2nd referendum, which after all will be nearly 3 years after the 1st one, not 3 weeks or 3 months? Surely it will only allow the people to 'speak' again as they did 2 years ago? There is no reason whatsoever to deny the citizens of the UK to review their decision now they have a view on what leaving the EU might entail, facts that they certainly never had 2 years ago.

Edited by europalace (22 Jun 2018 8.40am)

Most people don't vote for a certain political party based on a single reason, in this case in/out of EU. Therefore they will always typically vote for one of the largest two parties, conservatives or labour. Therefore your argument fails on all accounts.

You show the typical 'head in sand' attitude that I expected as a reply. The view that 'brexit' will be a 'success' no matter what, even if it's in reality a complete disaster unfortunately plagues many.

I don't need any mandate as I'm not a UK citizen thankfully and not caught up in the huge mess that 50% of the population has plunged it into. However, I still have the right to comment about what I (and many, many others) can see from outside of your UK centric bubble.

As an example of what nobody could have seen 2 years ago, this might not impact you personally but it will affect the UK significantly, especially the knock on effect for all of the 3rd party suppliers:

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Edited by europalace (22 Jun 2018 9.27am)

What is your opinion on senior civil servants out of interest?

Do you realise that the real direction of the EU legislation comes from the Council rather than the Commission?

Haha! It's only when the vote doesn't go the EU's way when a second referendum is called. Never the other way round is it?

Do you think the recent Irish abortion referendum should be run again? There's no chance of it happening because the elitists got their way.

Erm... Project fear actually "tricked" many people into voting for remain.

Polling suggests that people haven't really changed their minds much but a lot of my remain friends just want us to get on with it and leave now. I don't think there's much appetite for the campaigns to run again. Shame Theresa May is making such a balls of it.

Edited by Penge Eagle (22 Jun 2018 12.47pm)

Indeed they do. The EU dont like people voting against their dictatorship.

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Happy second anniversary of the public making the brave decision to define our own future.

We have to ensure that the government gives us what we voted for, a future free of the EU, ECJ, unelected commissioners and federalist creep.

Remainers need to let the government get on with this. Remainers lost the argument and if democracy is comprised, thus will be the most dangerous outcome for the UK. Two elections and a referendum were won on the promise of a referendum or promises by the major parties to enact Brexit. Project fear is well and truly running, funded by establishment figures. Remainers are a tool of the establishment, brainwashed into believing that sucking the UK into the EU is some sort of stance against ‘bigotry’. Arguing that the 17 million whom voted to leave the EU as being ‘racist’, ‘little Englander’ or ‘driven by nostalgia’ is a falsehood and a derogatory insult of the highest order.

The EU’s bullying tactics, particularly over Ireland, are expected and if it is a no deal, so be it. The UK is strong and has allies outside of the bloc. The EU needs to address its fundamental flaws, rather than blaming ‘mationalism’ for its problems.

Engaging with the world, making trade deals on our terms, being an equal rather than a vassal state and embracing much needed technological and trade reform are the rewards of Brexit. We must take this opportunity.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

I say this with love to the Remainers. The reason you lost the referendum is because you failed to convince enough people of your arguments. Now that may be the fault of the politicians that led the Remain campaign but that is the position you are in.

The Remain campaign need to start explaining better the benefits of staying in the EU. They also need to clarify what the UK's position would be. The EU has now made it clear that we are leaving and that if we change our mind it will be on their terms. In other words the status quo is not an option. Now this may be a negotiating tactic but the EU are saying we would have to join the euro and the rebate would be out of the window. The Remain camp have to address this rather then pretend it is steady as we go.

I hear a lot of pro EU politicians saying we need a 2nd referendum but they are not telling the people that changing our mind will lead to another set of negotiations and the possibility that the deal we get is not the same as what we have now..

Until the Remain camp can present a vision of the UK in the EU I think they will continue to be frustrated and will not achieve the level of support they require.

The argument about lack of vision also applies to the Brexit camp. We have won the battle now we need to win the war. PM May has so far failed to give the public a vision of the UK post Brexit and that frustrates me.

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