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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 01 Jul 18 4.02pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Hard Brexit it is. Let’s see the EU negotiating for their £39bn and not actin as hostile, petulant children.

Looks like they’re gearing up for a soft Brexit.

 

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.TUX. Flag 01 Jul 18 8.50pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Looks like they’re gearing up for a soft Brexit.

Whatever...zzzzzzzzzz.
How has our lives, let alone those we've spawned, improved while being in the EU?
All i see is public/private debt at record levels, the middle classes being shafted and dismal prospects for our young (along with many other countries).

Is this progress?

 

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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 01 Jul 18 9.07pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Whatever...zzzzzzzzzz.
How has our lives, let alone those we've spawned, improved while being in the EU?
All i see is public/private debt at record levels, the middle classes being shafted and dismal prospects for our young (along with many other countries).

Is this progress?

Too young to remember life outside of the EU to be honest. I just think that there is a lot more benefit to working closely together as a bigger entity. And a lot more to think about than just economics in terms of us prospering/failing to prosper with not being a member. I just feel that we don’t offer much as a stand alone country. For example where would we re-place the potential 80,000 employees that are looking to lose their job, if/when as promised, Airbus, BMW and Nissan(to name just three) withdraw from the UK? What major UK companies are there here to take these people on? There aren’t any. What about the joint research projects in health and cures and joint defence that we’re going to miss out on? What about just being close allies standing up to the might of Russia to stop them being able to run rough shod over Europe?
It’s easy to give it ‘zzzzzz’ but you can’t deny that all of these things are going to be detrimentally effected and some.
If you say “we don’t know anything yet” then your ability to use foresight is pretty poor to say the least.

Are you living in Canada?
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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 Jul 18 9.25pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Whatever...zzzzzzzzzz.
How has our lives, let alone those we've spawned, improved while being in the EU?
All i see is public/private debt at record levels, the middle classes being shafted and dismal prospects for our young (along with many other countries).

Is this progress?

Is it not Obama's fault? Or Draghi or Mr Bretton Woods?

Whatever it is, it just can't be the UK can it.

Mrs T was frank when she said she needed to blame someone else for Britain's economic woes and Brussels was ideal.

However she had not realised what she had started, a tory obsession with Europe.

That's what brexit is.

Long years ahead even worse if we leave.


 
.TUX. Flag 01 Jul 18 9.37pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Too young to remember life outside of the EU to be honest. I just think that there is a lot more benefit to working closely together as a bigger entity. And a lot more to think about than just economics in terms of us prospering/failing to prosper when not a member. I feel that we don’t offer much as a stand alone country.

Fairplay.
Life existed before 'the bloc' and life will equally exist outside of 'the bloc', as it has done for centuries.
'The bloc' was born on debt from day one of its inception but the debt is now bigger............which will, as ever, be paid for by those like you (and me).
So where is the gain in a system that continually robs you and how would it differ had we not been in?

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 Jul 18 9.46pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Fairplay.
Life existed before 'the bloc' and life will equally exist outside of 'the bloc', as it has done for centuries.
'The bloc' was born on debt from day one of its inception but the debt is now bigger............which will, as ever, be paid for by those like you (and me).
So where is the gain in a system that continually robs you and how would it differ had we not been in?

The EU is not responsible for UK's debts, that seems to be your incessant problem.

Your debt, my debt, the countries debt is entirely our own responsiblity.

Nobody else.

 
steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 Jul 18 9.52pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The EU is not responsible for UK's debts, that seems to be your incessant problem.

Your debt, my debt, the countries debt is entirely our own responsiblity.

Nobody else.


Including Obama, it is not his problem either.


 
Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 01 Jul 18 9.57pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Fairplay.
Life existed before 'the bloc' and life will equally exist outside of 'the bloc', as it has done for centuries.
'The bloc' was born on debt from day one of its inception but the debt is now bigger............which will, as ever, be paid for by those like you (and me).
So where is the gain in a system that continually robs you and how would it differ had we not been in?

We’re a different country in different times to when we joined Europe. We don’t manufacture, grow or produce anything near to what we used to, because it is all far too expansive to do so.
The empire has long desolved yet there are a lot of people here in England who still harp on as if we’re a superpower and a great country still. We’re not. We’re an old fashioned country with old fashioned ideals. We’re so out of touch with the youth in this country it’s a joke. It’s almost like they’re aliens visiting from another planet. I didn’t witness this anywhere else in the world that I have visited. This to me shows how much we live in the past here in England and that is what a lot of Brexiteers are doing when they convince themselves and others that leaving europe is the right thing to do. Those days are gone mate. There are no British car companies coming through to fill all the jobs that are going to be lost and to be exported around the world. There are no leaders out there great enough to drag us back up by the scruff of our necks and make us a great stand alone country. We’re just going to be a bitter little country with a glorious past that will never return on our own. In this day and age it’s go big or go home. And we’ll never be big without Europe.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 Jul 18 10.36pm

It is ta-ta from Tata steel now 'merging' with German and Netherlands steel makers.

 
steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 Jul 18 10.37pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

We’re a different country in different times to when we joined Europe. We don’t manufacture, grow or produce anything near to what we used to, because it is all far too expansive to do so.
The empire has long desolved yet there are a lot of people here in England who still harp on as if we’re a superpower and a great country still. We’re not. We’re an old fashioned country with old fashioned ideals. We’re so out of touch with the youth in this country it’s a joke. It’s almost like they’re aliens visiting from another planet. I didn’t witness this anywhere else in the world that I have visited. This to me shows how much we live in the past here in England and that is what a lot of Brexiteers are doing when they convince themselves and others that leaving europe is the right thing to do. Those days are gone mate. There are no British car companies coming through to fill all the jobs that are going to be lost and to be exported around the world. There are no leaders out there great enough to drag us back up by the scruff of our necks and make us a great stand alone country. We’re just going to be a bitter little country with a glorious past that will never return on our own. In this day and age it’s go big or go home. And we’ll never be big without Europe.

Sad isn't it.

 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 02 Jul 18 7.31am

Originally posted by steeleye20

It is ta-ta from Tata steel now 'merging' with German and Netherlands steel makers.

You do realise that Tata Steel is an Indian company, don’t you?

You also clearly don’t understand the nuances of this merger. Why don’t you read up on it?

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 02 Jul 18 10.10am

Originally posted by matt_himself

You do realise that Tata Steel is an Indian company, don’t you?

You also clearly don’t understand the nuances of this merger. Why don’t you read up on it?

Yes I do.

4,000 redundancies at Port Talbot, none in the Netherlands or Germany.

 
CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 02 Jul 18 11.09am

Originally posted by matt_himself

I am sorry but your protestation’s do not make sense. If this was what you said it was, it would be massive news,

You can drive a bus through that amendment ‘...in the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement’. That is as ambiguous a phrase as is possible.

You are thinking what you want to happen and we are leaving the CU and SM. Deal with it.

We'll see. Explain how customs in Ireland will work given this amendment.

 
CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 02 Jul 18 11.13am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This doesn't have to be taken seriously because this situation won't happen. The reality is aviation is a huge money spinner for all nations. The UK has the fifth/sixth highest GDP in the world.

It's disingenuous for anyone to make the suggestion that the business class are going to isolate the UK on aviation.

Rules will adjust.

You still need some sort of deal though. The "rules" aren't a sentient being that will make their own adjustments. They need to be negotiated and agreed upon and formalised. This takes time and effort and some level of competence. All of which we're lacking ever more of by the day.

 
CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 02 Jul 18 11.14am

Originally posted by .TUX.

Whatever...zzzzzzzzzz.
How has our lives, let alone those we've spawned, improved while being in the EU?
All i see is public/private debt at record levels, the middle classes being shafted and dismal prospects for our young (along with many other countries).

Is this progress?

In your book the EU is to blame for this and not we ourselves? Leaving the EU is some panacea that will solve all our problems I suppose.

 
CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 02 Jul 18 11.16am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Yes I do.

4,000 redundancies at Port Talbot, none in the Netherlands or Germany.

Where did you find info on these job losses? My understanding is they have guaranteed jobs in UK? Only read the one article on it mind.

 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 02 Jul 18 11.21am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

We'll see. Explain how customs in Ireland will work given this amendment.

That is what will be discussed at the EU summit. We’ll see then.

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 02 Jul 18 11.26am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Yes I do.

4,000 redundancies at Port Talbot, none in the Netherlands or Germany.

I said go and read about it. You obviously didn’t, or, would you like me to explain the difference between the meanings of ‘jobs saved’ and ‘redundancies’?

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 02 Jul 18 11.46am

Originally posted by matt_himself

I said go and read about it. You obviously didn’t, or, would you like me to explain the difference between the meanings of ‘jobs saved’ and ‘redundancies’?

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For what it is worth the FT gives details of the 4,000 jobs to go.

For me, newspaper links, this is the post truth era.

 
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