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matt_himself Flag Matataland 02 Jul 18 11.57am

Originally posted by steeleye20

For what it is worth the FT gives details of the 4,000 jobs to go.

For me, newspaper links, this is the post truth era.

You clearly haven’t read or understood anything about this merger and have decided to make your own mind up, based on some Remainer circle jerk that this is the fault of Brexit.

Read the FT article. There are three key points for you to understand:

A. 2,000 jobs going from the group as an entity is sold;
B. The split of the 2,000 other redundancies is not certain;
C. There will be no compulsory redundancies;

The unions are happy with the deal.

Finally, you need to read about steel making and understand the reasons of why British steel manufacturing is uncompetitive. This is largely down to Tony Benn and nationalisation.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 02 Jul 18 1.34pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

You clearly haven’t read or understood anything about this merger and have decided to make your own mind up, based on some Remainer circle jerk that this is the fault of Brexit.

Read the FT article. There are three key points for you to understand:

A. 2,000 jobs going from the group as an entity is sold;
B. The split of the 2,000 other redundancies is not certain;
C. There will be no compulsory redundancies;

The unions are happy with the deal.

Finally, you need to read about steel making and understand the reasons of why British steel manufacturing is uncompetitive. This is largely down to Tony Benn and nationalisation.

Well if its uncompetitive, and with a trade war brewing I wonder why they want to be here at all.

Originally they wanted to flog the lot and depart, so anything the unions can get will be welcome.

Just over the water will be a hassle and cost free single market of 500 million people, why have the UK and its endless costs and difficulties when it is unnecessary.

What the CEO of Tata says:

And then there's Brexit.

When asked what impact that could have on the new Anglo-German firm, Tata Steel UK chief executive Bimlendra Jha said he needed to be able to easily move his products and people across borders.

When asked what it would mean if the UK could not secure that outcome, he said that would be "a sorry state of affairs".

Ta-ta and plenty of others in the same position.

 

Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 02 Jul 18 2.09pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Well if its uncompetitive, and with a trade war brewing I wonder why they want to be here at all.

Originally they wanted to flog the lot and depart, so anything the unions can get will be welcome.

Just over the water will be a hassle and cost free single market of 500 million people, why have the UK and its endless costs and difficulties when it is unnecessary.

What the CEO of Tata says:

And then there's Brexit.

When asked what impact that could have on the new Anglo-German firm, Tata Steel UK chief executive Bimlendra Jha said he needed to be able to easily move his products and people across borders.

When asked what it would mean if the UK could not secure that outcome, he said that would be "a sorry state of affairs".

Ta-ta and plenty of others in the same position.

Well researched post with actual quotes. You know this will just fall on deaf ears.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 02 Jul 18 3.41pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Well if its uncompetitive, and with a trade war brewing I wonder why they want to be here at all.

Originally they wanted to flog the lot and depart, so anything the unions can get will be welcome.

Just over the water will be a hassle and cost free single market of 500 million people, why have the UK and its endless costs and difficulties when it is unnecessary.

What the CEO of Tata says:

And then there's Brexit.

When asked what impact that could have on the new Anglo-German firm, Tata Steel UK chief executive Bimlendra Jha said he needed to be able to easily move his products and people across borders.

When asked what it would mean if the UK could not secure that outcome, he said that would be "a sorry state of affairs".

Ta-ta and plenty of others in the same position.

So you’ve changed your approach when questioned and provided a quote from the media, even in these days of ‘fake news’?

 


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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 02 Jul 18 5.26pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

That is what will be discussed at the EU summit. We’ll see then.

Sounds like May's team (Ollie Robbins prominent) will be pitching a Norway-style deal as the only possible post Brexit deal on Friday.

Given they know everything else will be rejected by the EU it's the only remaining possibility. Expect some fudging of language to make it clear that we'll be leaving the door open to change customs models if/when tech becomes available that enables a border in Ireland that has zero infrastructure.

But it appears this is the way the wind is blowing.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 02 Jul 18 6.01pm

“If you want to run Europe, you must be in Europe. If you want to be run by Europe, feel free to join Norway in the European Economic Area,” Nikolai Astrup, a Norwegian Conservative MP, told the UK’s Confederation of British Industry in 2013.

That's essentially what Norway is, run by Europe.

 

Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 02 Jul 18 6.03pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Sounds like May's team (Ollie Robbins prominent) will be pitching a Norway-style deal as the only possible post Brexit deal on Friday.

Given they know everything else will be rejected by the EU it's the only remaining possibility. Expect some fudging of language to make it clear that we'll be leaving the door open to change customs models if/when tech becomes available that enables a border in Ireland that has zero infrastructure.

But it appears this is the way the wind is blowing.

Soft Brexit ahoy! What a load of f***ing nonsense just to appease the Neanderthal and aged masses. Great work.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 02 Jul 18 9.10pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Sounds like May's team (Ollie Robbins prominent) will be pitching a Norway-style deal as the only possible post Brexit deal on Friday.

Given they know everything else will be rejected by the EU it's the only remaining possibility. Expect some fudging of language to make it clear that we'll be leaving the door open to change customs models if/when tech becomes available that enables a border in Ireland that has zero infrastructure.

But it appears this is the way the wind is blowing.

Get that from ‘one angry voice’ and spread it as fact?

Good on you.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 02 Jul 18 9.12pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Soft Brexit ahoy! What a load of f***ing nonsense just to appease the Neanderthal and aged masses. Great work.


Your view of rejecting democracy ‘because you know best’ will only bring more Brexit and Trump votes.

Haven’t you learnt? The masses don’t want your establishment pandering bollovks anymore.

You and Cambridge are tools of the establishment. Well done.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 02 Jul 18 9.31pm

Originally posted by matt_himself


Your view of rejecting democracy ‘because you know best’ will only bring more Brexit and Trump votes.

Haven’t you learnt? The masses don’t want your establishment pandering bollovks anymore.

You and Cambridge are tools of the establishment. Well done.

We all know what you are a tool of.

 

Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 02 Jul 18 9.34pm

Originally posted by matt_himself


Your view of rejecting democracy ‘because you know best’ will only bring more Brexit and Trump votes.

Haven’t you learnt? The masses don’t want your establishment pandering bollovks anymore.

You and Cambridge are tools of the establishment. Well done.

Don’t shoot the messenger.

Out of interest, didn’t you post on here years and years ago? Just noticed your name pop up again recently.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 02 Jul 18 9.38pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Don’t shoot the messenger.

Out of interest, didn’t you post on here years and years ago? Just noticed your name pop up again recently.

Please explain the second paragraph. What are you getting at?

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself Flag Matataland 02 Jul 18 9.39pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

We all know what you are a tool of.

You have nothing to offer. Thanks for confirming this.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 02 Jul 18 9.41pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Don’t shoot the messenger.

Out of interest, didn’t you post on here years and years ago? Just noticed your name pop up again recently.

Yet when they tell you Hitler didn't die in 1945, they just don't believe it !!!!!!!


 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 02 Jul 18 10.22pm

At last a breakthrough in the EU negotiations.

The Spanish Foreign Minister Senor Borell has confirmed that the UK is a 'total pain in the arse'.

 

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 03 Jul 18 10.11am

Originally posted by matt_himself


Your view of rejecting democracy ‘because you know best’ will only bring more Brexit and Trump votes.

Haven’t you learnt? The masses don’t want your establishment pandering bollovks anymore.

You and Cambridge are tools of the establishment. Well done.

Brexit is about the most "establishment" thing ever to happen. Foisted on us by a load of old fogies who will be long dead before any "independent trade deal" is struck by the UK.

If you think the likes of Fox, Gove, Boris, Davis and JRM represent anything other than a hardline Tory establishment you're a fool.

 

Matov Flag 03 Jul 18 2.14pm

So the stab in the back is about to be delivered.

I suspect that history will show that it was going to happen all along and that the 52% are about to have their victory on June 23rd 2016 effectively negated. Actually leaving the UK is a worse position.

But this will not be the end. Only the beginning. And this is what those who will no doubt cheer what is about to happen and loudly proclaim 'told you so' fail to grasp.

They think that the proles will go back to their mundane little lives, being satisfied with mind numbing TV shows and generally indulging in all their unpleasant and definitely not on message Gammon lifestyles whilst we still bask in the kind and benevolent rule of the ECJ and the likes of Juncker and the real power in the EU, Martin Selmayr. He is the one who has orchestrated this with May now a full on Quisling.

And they are wrong. The people who told us that Leave never stood a chance on June 23rd or mocked the suggestion that Trump would become the US President will be the same ones who will now believe we are going to sit back and swallow this.

Nah. Ain't going to happen. If May thinks that by effectively imposing a Norway style deal on the UK that turns us into nothing more than an EU bitch boy (and lets not forget that Norway enjoy a 75% balance of payments with the EU in their favour, hence why they swallow the s*** they do) will somehow heal the divides in this country then she has never been so wrong about anything in her life.

This stab in the back happens and you ain't seen nothing yet in terms of upheaval.

We stand on the cusp. May has to be bought down before this can happen. And any Leaver in Parliament who does not do anything to make this happen is more deserving of our collective scorn than any Remainer.

May disgusts me. Would rather have Corbyn in the top job than her and I would never have thought I could think that, let alone commit to it in writing.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 03 Jul 18 3.22pm

Originally posted by Matov

So the stab in the back is about to be delivered.

I suspect that history will show that it was going to happen all along and that the 52% are about to have their victory on June 23rd 2016 effectively negated. Actually leaving the UK is a worse position.

But this will not be the end. Only the beginning. And this is what those who will no doubt cheer what is about to happen and loudly proclaim 'told you so' fail to grasp.

They think that the proles will go back to their mundane little lives, being satisfied with mind numbing TV shows and generally indulging in all their unpleasant and definitely not on message Gammon lifestyles whilst we still bask in the kind and benevolent rule of the ECJ and the likes of Juncker and the real power in the EU, Martin Selmayr. He is the one who has orchestrated this with May now a full on Quisling.

And they are wrong. The people who told us that Leave never stood a chance on June 23rd or mocked the suggestion that Trump would become the US President will be the same ones who will now believe we are going to sit back and swallow this.

Nah. Ain't going to happen. If May thinks that by effectively imposing a Norway style deal on the UK that turns us into nothing more than an EU bitch boy (and lets not forget that Norway enjoy a 75% balance of payments with the EU in their favour, hence why they swallow the s*** they do) will somehow heal the divides in this country then she has never been so wrong about anything in her life.

This stab in the back happens and you ain't seen nothing yet in terms of upheaval.

We stand on the cusp. May has to be bought down before this can happen. And any Leaver in Parliament who does not do anything to make this happen is more deserving of our collective scorn than any Remainer.

May disgusts me. Would rather have Corbyn in the top job than her and I would never have thought I could think that, let alone commit to it in writing.

It's a pity if you are not at Chequers on Friday.

You could throw a 'Matov Cocktail' and put the country out of it's misery.



 

Matov Flag 03 Jul 18 5.25pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It's a pity if you are not at Chequers on Friday.

You could throw a 'Matov Cocktail' and put the country out of it's misery.



LOL. Its a nice thought.

I actually suspect that the situation in the UK, and others places such as Germany and Sweden to name two, is akin to that of a peat moor on fire. No flames visible above the surface but with a fire burning away in many places.

Now depending on your political outlook you can, with some justification to brush away fears about it breaking out into something far more destructive by arguing that it all looks fine from your POV but its short term at best.

And a Brexit stabbed in the back narrative, has the potential to cause this fire to become far more visible with the real possibility of it setting fire to a whole lot more places.

Because if we are still tied to the EU then they will hammer us. They have to. I don't actually blame them for that as they are fighting for their very survival. We have to become the example of the naughty child that dared to run away but came scurrying back because it might be a bit cold and wet out there on their own for a week or two, now having to content itself with staring in through the window whilst all the good children are served up jelly and ice-cream and kept nice and warm. And the EU constantly reminding them of what happens to children who have the audacity to try to run away.

This is why a Norway style deal is the worst of all worlds. And why is MUST be opposed until we have a true Brexit.

And that is a battle that needs to be fought in almost every context of the word.


 


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